Copa America 2011: Argentina draws first match, I discuss how to fix it.

So I was watching the match with my brother yesterday because he has a 50” plasma and I don’t. Below is a basic transcription of our conversation during the game.

Brother: Man, Argentina are terrible.

Me: [cringes after another defensive ‘play’] Yeah. I know.

Brother: And it’s not like a ‘oh, their defense is sh*t’ terrible; they are collectively crap. And for a team that has Messi on it, that takes some doing.

Me: [cringes after another DiveMaria dive] Yeah. I know.

Brother: This is just like the Germany game, ain’t it? A bunch are attacking, and the rest are sitting back. Messi trying to link them together while also dribbling past x players and trying to score. Argentina ain’t gonna win shiznit if they keep this up.

Me: [cringes at the awfulness of it all] Yeah. I know.

Brother: You seem to know a lot of things. Care to share some of the knowledge? How exactly are Argentina gonna fix…[waves to screen] that?

Me: It’s simple, really. Just a case of the wrong tactics. They need to change their formation to a 1-2-7. [calmly sips drink]

Brother: To a what?

Me: A 1-2-7. Well, a 1-2-X-6 would be ideal, but that might be a bridge too far.

Brother: And how, pray tell, will that work?

Me: Easy. Romero’s in goal because we can’t kidnap Buffon and force him to be a naturalized Argentine, so he will have to do. Also, he cut his hair, so he gets bonus points for that.

Mascherano forms the ‘1’ because really, who needs anyone else? He’ll slide tackle anyone who dares cross the halfway line, get all ball and leave a “sMasch was Here” on their calves to boot. Maybe snarl at them too.

Brother: [holds hand up] Whoa, wait a second. How can he get all ball while also leaving a mark?

Me: That’s the beauty of sMasch, bro. He gets it done. 8)

Banega and Pastore form the ‘2’ in the formation. They feed the seven forwards up top.

Brother: What about Cambiasso? Isn’t he, uh, one of the best DMs in the world? I mean, he does play for Inter and I’ve never really heard of Pastore.

Me: Hlebbed Pastore* takes a seat on the bench. We don’t need defensive midfielders, remember? That’s what sMasch is for. Pastore does whatever Hlebbed Pastore was attempting to do about a million times better.

Moving on to the forwards, Dive Maria will run towards the byline and fall. Lavezzi will hit the ball in front of him, chase after it, fail at whatever crosshot he attempts, and snarl at the referee for doing something to the ball’s trajectory. Tevez will pass to himself, lay an Apache smackdown on all defenders that come near him, before letting out a beastial roar, ripping off his jersey to reveal an “I Love Boca y Argentina” tattoo on his chest.

The crowd goes wild.

Aguero takes on defender after defender mano-a-mano before smoking a que golazo carajo past the helpless keeper. Higuian is there to tap in whatever doesn’t get done by someone else.

Diego Milito is there just because. We have seven forwards, yo. And we can so play them all.

Brother: …Okaaay. What about Messi?

Me: [blank look] Who?

Brother: [raises eyebrow] Err, Lionel Messi. The Messi you’re always fawning over?

Me: [snaps fingers ] Ohhhh. You mean XavIniestaLeo Carles Pique of Dahveed Rodriguez. He plays three positions at the same time but can also help Mascherano defend when needed. When we need width, he’s there. When we need someone to dribble, he’s there. When we need a goal, he’s there. When we need someone to fix something someone else messes up, he’s there.

XavIniestaLeo would have been the X in the 1-2-X-6, because you can’t really label him a number, but I figured Pastore and Banega would struggle a bit if someone was doing everything before them, so he’ll just have to settle being another forward.

Brother: …..

Me: Besides, if XavIniestaLeo plays behind the forwards, we wouldn’t need any more players because he’d do everything. I don’t think we’re allowed to field a team of 7 players. Well, eight, because I think I’d play Romero just because.

With this lineup, the Copa America would be Argentina! Argentina! Argentina!‘s.

How could it possibly fail?

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*Credit: Ramzi for this wonderful term. Perfectly describes Cambiasso’s weird arse role. I’m calling him that from now on.

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242 Comments

  1. y2k156
    July 2, 2011

    🙂

    As for Argentina, they are screwed. Messi will simply never be popular in Argentina till he single handedly wins WC, which lets be honest,is not a high possibility.

    Messi is hyped through the roof and one of the unfortunate consequences is that people expect too much from him. His only choice is to just do his best and accept that he will most probably not be considered as highly. Similar to DiStefano, who i think, is more highly rated in Europe as compared to Argentina.

    • July 2, 2011

      No worries. FIFY.

    • y2k156
      July 2, 2011

      Cool. You are angel:).

  2. Vj
    July 2, 2011

    Sympathies to your brother..

    • July 2, 2011

      He has my sympathy too. Can’t see my genius. Sigh.

  3. Vj
    July 2, 2011

    Cambiasso’s weird arse role.

    Nasty! For a moment there, I saw an ‘h’..

  4. mom4
    July 2, 2011

    Argentina doesn’t deserve Messi. Nuff said.

    • mom4
      July 2, 2011

      If that sounds harsh, let me clarify— You don’t deserve what you have if you can’t appreciate it.

    • July 2, 2011

      so true mom4…

  5. ciaran
    July 2, 2011

    Argentina need to pick a system that suits Messi and stick to it.
    They have great forwards, a shit defense and average midfield which makes things difficult.
    The other thing that complicates life is that Tevez doesn’t compliment Messi at all. Tevez needs to be nothing but a substitute to Messi. He isn’t good out wide even though his work rate is brilliant I don’t think he can fit in the same XI as Messi.

    The width from the attackers is still an issue in my opinion so maybe they should try Di Maria at left back and see how things progress from there

    • blitzen
      July 2, 2011

      But how will Di Maria get into the box to dive for a penalty if you put at him LB? No entiendo!

    • blitzen
      July 2, 2011

      Oh, man. That last one. And RM have the nerve to call out Busquets for simulation. At least Busi only does it once or twice a season.

    • mom4
      July 2, 2011

      World’s worst cheater or world’s clumsiest footballer. Hard to decide 🙂

    • blitzen
      July 2, 2011

      The poor boy obviously has an inner ear problem affecting his balance. He needs help!

    • July 2, 2011

      You know, I’m getting this strange suspicion… I think maybe… nah, but you think possibly… well, does anyone else think that maybe RM and madridistas are being a little dishonest and, dare I say, hypocritical when it comes to diving?

      No, no surely I must have misinterpreted their stance on the issue. Right?

    • mom4
      July 2, 2011

      Jose, why would you think such a thing? ¿Porqué? No entiendo porqué!

    • July 2, 2011

      I don’t know! I don’t know if it’s its relationship with the bwin betting company or the influence of Flo Perez… It’s just been a niggling suspicion I’ve been having lately…

    • blitzen
      July 2, 2011

      Surely not, Jose. They are los blancos, remember? I mean, they wear white for a reason.

    • July 3, 2011

      Of course, blitzen, of course! I don’t know how I could have doubted them, really… they are los blancos, men of this world that choose to don the color of purity and good. May they continue to be our guiding star of morality.

    • Nav
      July 2, 2011

      No Jose, Madrid players *never* dive. They play the man’s game with honour and dignity.

    • July 3, 2011

      I know, I know, I apologize for questioning that… I can admit, here amongst friends, that it is precisely their manliness that intimidates and scares me. When I see them take the field against our frilly imps, I shudder at the sight; those brave, stoic vikings of the pitch, never they feign nor theatricate.

    • blitzen
      July 3, 2011

      “frilly imps” FTW! I <3 Jose.

  6. blitzen
    July 2, 2011

    Grudging kudos to the US Women’s team for their 3-0 victory over Colombia today. They played really well. Rapinoe’s goal was especially lovely. Dammit.

    • mom4
      July 2, 2011

      Um…thanks for that…um… heartfelt congrats!

    • blitzen
      July 2, 2011

      Don’t mind me, I’m just bitter about Canada’s lousy performance. We have a really great team and they just didn’t show up. They should at least have played better even if they couldn’t beat the admittedly excellent German and French teams. 🙁 They got a very difficult group, but still.

    • mom4
      July 2, 2011

      Germany and france in their group? Dang girl, no wonder they’re having a hard time. So sorry 🙁

  7. July 2, 2011

    Btw, if anyone watched: Colombia vs. Costa Rica was an awful, awful match. It did put Collombia ahead of Argentina provisionally, but neither of these teams looked like they could win the group.

    • Jnice
      July 2, 2011

      Yeah, it was terrible. I had high hopes for Colombia, but they didn’t impress today at all.

    • Para
      July 2, 2011

      I thought it was pretty horrendous too. Did they (Colombia) not play as dynamically because they were coasting at one-up to ten men? I’ve only ever seen them play Spain in a friendly before, so I wasn’t sure.

    • Dani_el
      July 2, 2011

      I think it iss disrespectful to the copa america (the oldest tournament in the world according to what I’ve heard) and to conmebol, to accept an invitation to play against teams that have won the world cup 9 times! and send their b team, as costa rica and mexico have done, If conmebol should invite another national team, they should honor their commitmment sending their best team, the game was boring, though I like the way Colombia play sometimes, a lot of passes like Peru and Brazil (sometimes) maybe if they get more pegada (more abilities to score goals) they’d find their game. About argentina I think sometimes people are ungrateful, Messi is a hell of a player, but without a functional team he cant do his magic, the same happen with peru with Pizarro, he has accomplished more than any peruvian player in europe, and he still is underrated.

    • July 2, 2011

      The Olympic squads sent by Mexico and Costa Rica are enforced by CONCACAF, not by the respective FAs. CONCACAF has to give permission for these teams to play in the Copa America. This year, they did so on the condition that they send Olympic squad (U-23 with reinforcements), because they were worried that Mexico/Costa Rica would send lower strength squads to the Gold Cup.

      What needs to happen is for CONCACAF to find a better time in which to hold the Gold Cup… they still haven’t really settled into a good placement within the four year calendar, holding it every other year and having it conflict with Copa America and Confederations Cup.

      Also, Copa America is the oldest international soccer tournament.

    • Noslehcimretep
      July 3, 2011

      The only reason Costa Rica are there in any capacity was because Japan had to bow out due to continued problems from the earthquake. Japan would have sent a stronger side than Costa Rica can manage, B players or not. Also give them a break, as their (IMHO) best defender from the Gold Cup, Dennis Marshall, died in a car accident the day after they were eliminated.

    • nzm
      July 3, 2011

      Thank you, Para – that article on postres is absolutely sublime!

  8. July 2, 2011

    The width from the attackers is still an issue in my opinion so maybe they should try Di Maria at left back and see how things progress from there

    One of the very fundamental problems for Argentina and a core reason why the cannot play like Barca is that their full back are so limited and cannot provide any width.

    This is why the way Batista is structuring midfield is such a particular problem.

    Because his midfield has so little creativity the Arg forward line keeps dropping deep to create. Messi does this the most – and this is not the true purpose of a false 9. Right now he’s neither a false 9 or a true 10. He’s playing in a muddle.

    But when Messi drops deep the other forwards pinch in. This is particularly true of Tevez who likes to play a free role in the central as well.

    But there are no full backs to overlap and provide width.

    Part of why playing Pastore is the right move is that it would allow Arg’s wide forwards to stay wide. Without those forwards staying wide there is no width whatsoever as the full backs don’t join the attack.

    And Tevez cannot play on the left. He will not provide width.

    • blitzen
      July 2, 2011

      Because his midfield has so little creativity the Arg forward line keeps dropping deep to create. Messi does this the most – and this is not the true purpose of a false 9. Right now he’s neither a false 9 or a true 10. He’s playing in a muddle.

      Yep. I was amazed at how deep Messi had to play in that game because no one else was bringing the ball forward. By the time he got the ball into a good position, he was surrounded by 5 or 6 players and couldn’t do anything with it. An incredible waste of his talent. If only Dani Alves was Argentinian he might have had a chance.

    • ciaran
      July 2, 2011

      Tevez needs to be benched and get Kun to stay central. Lavezzi should also be benched for Higuain.
      Messi to play in behind with Pastore AND Banega.
      Di Maria at left back allows something like this…
      The other thing is Mascherano really needs to be playing central defense for them. At least Cambiasso & Gago are decent, Burdisso, Milito & Garay are all pretty average and I haven’t seen much of Pareja since he left Espanyol although he was impressive for them.

  9. Jnice
    July 2, 2011

    Cesc required to report to pre-season? This is looking like it did last season. Dunno about him coming this summer….

    • Nav
      July 2, 2011

      That would be unfortunate. But for some good news:

      Larini (sports director Udinese): “Many teams were interested in the player, but Sanchez said he wants to go to Barcelona. It’s Sanchez’ decision to stay with us or join Barcelona. We can only take note of that” [radio sportiva]

      via barcastuff of course.

    • Jnice
      July 2, 2011

      That would be unfortunate.

      Not for me. 🙂

  10. July 3, 2011

    I love how Kari pimps her posts by going to the last post and ‘informing everyone’ there is a new post…..glory hound lol….Said with love and admiration of course!!!

    • July 3, 2011

      Nah. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but every time there’s a new post, the writer of said new post always goes back to the old post to notify people.

    • Vj
      July 3, 2011

      That’s a good thing. Helps people avoid getting Hectored for no reason at all..

  11. Olufestus
    July 3, 2011

    Van persie set to hand down a transfer request if star players are sold.GAWD! I love arsenal,but the emirates foundation seems to be crumbling…

  12. Olufestus
    July 3, 2011

    If At the end of the season,you expect players like denilson,diaby,rosicky,almunia and the world best striker in training-BENDTNER to go,you now face the exit possibility of team best players…cesc,nasri,clichy,rvp…its pathetic.

  13. July 3, 2011

    Some papers are saying the Coentaro deal with E.E fell through, if this is the case, forget Cesc, this guy would be my #1 target. It helps on two levels, ovbiously at LB, and also @ CB…We could move Abidal there. This would also allow Adriano to backup both Coentaro and Alves next year. I really love this guy and want him baaaaddddd!!!!!!!

  14. y2k156
    July 3, 2011

    Slightly away from topic but i saw another game in which movement and space was important for victory. I was in Budapest last weekend and saw the Hungary v Greece water polo match. Hungary is number 1 team in water polo and it was interesting to see what made them better. Key was same thing as we have with Barcelona, space and movement along with pressing.

    Hungarian players were always trying to find space and move the ball quickly so that one of them could get clear shot at goal. Their best moves in the game when they moved the ball quickly near greek goal and found space for one of their players to take a shot. It was so reminiscent of Barcelona for me:). Similarly when Greek’s had the ball, hungarians were making sure that they always had someone in close attendance to greek player. As it is waterpolo and with only 6 outfield players, the pressing was one to one compared to one to many that Barca has. As against that Greeks were not so diligent in pressing and hence Hungarians were usually able to bring the ball forward without much trouble.

    I have to say that only reason i could make this was because of all the discussions on forums like this. I was in fact sitting next to president of hungarian water polo association (who was former olympian) and was explaining him on how their system was closer to Barcelona:).

    • nzm
      July 3, 2011

      That’s why Barca has water polo and handball trainers/experts as part of the coaching team – they draw from the tactics of other disciplines.

      To watch Barca play live is a wondrous thing because you can see the movements of all the players on the pitch, and not just the ball carrier.

      We watch quite a bit of handball too – and Barca plays like a handball team, except with their feet. You see them pass the ball around the edge of the penalty box, running the opposition in circles and waiting for that moment when they can send in their best-positioned and undefended player to shoot for goal. (That tactic can frustrate the hell out of me sometimes, when the gameplay demands faster play and getting into the box quicker than they are doing!)

      Valdes plays like a handball goal-keeper. Watch him come out to confront the ball carrier, and he spreads himself out like a starfish – just like the handball keepers do. He makes himself very big in the goal.

  15. mom4
    July 3, 2011

    Not every news outlet is blasting Messi. At least Fox Soccer figured it out, mostly. Somewhat comforting to this cule who feels bad for our Leo:

    “Lionel Messi was left frustrated, again unduly relied on for link up play that took him away from goal.”

    “Messi was expected to drop deep into his own half to collect the ball at times, leaving him far from where he is most effective. It seemed the perfect game to introduce Javier Pastore, permitting Messi to move further forward, but the Palermo midfielder sat out the whole game.”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/copaamerica/story/argentina-1-1-bolivia-pressure-will-mount-gustavo-quinteros-Group-A-070211

    Problem is… probably nothing will change…there seems to be too much pride, posturing, and politics in football sometimes.

  16. y2k156
    July 3, 2011

    Nadal Djokovic is getting better every minute. Longer it goes, better it becomes for Nadal.

    • blitzen
      July 3, 2011

      It is good, isn’t it? I have no real preference who wins, but I want Nadal to win this set so we can have a 5th. I’m supposed to meet some people later for brunch, but I’m going to have to tell them I’ll be late. 🙂

    • y2k156
      July 3, 2011

      Well, Nadal simply fell away in final three games. Good game by Djokovic. Both look set to dominate for coming two three years at least.

    • barca96
      July 3, 2011

      Really bad match by Nadal.

      Oh crap. Barca is interested in Lavezzi.

  17. kinukinu
    July 3, 2011

    Just wanted to share this bit of info for those of you who don’t already know:

    the Youtube Copa America channel will be showing all games live and free, in both spanish and english here:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/CopaAmerica

  18. The__K__Man
    July 3, 2011

    So the fat that Rosel is at the Copa America means Sanchez is about to sign?

    • Jnice
      July 3, 2011

      No, not really. He’s there because he was invited by the Argentine and Brasilian federations. He isn’t even going to see Chile play.

  19. Lev
    July 3, 2011

    el vinotinto drew with brazil!!! not a bad start for venezuela

  20. July 3, 2011

    Said it on twitter and will say it again: Messi (at NT) is like a jewelary in a vase of marbles.

  21. blitzen
    July 3, 2011

    These Copa America games aren’t exactly ripping it up so far, are they?

  22. blitzen
    July 3, 2011

    And I would just like to say: <3 Marta.

    And Rosana ain't half bad, either!

  23. July 3, 2011

    Brazil and Argentina’s first matches speak volumes about what has happened has happened to creative midfield play in South America during international play.

    It is really difficult to believe what’s happened. Argentina – the home of the enganche, the country where the position is adored, is playing with almost no creative flair in midfield in support of Messi.

    And Brazil – as it has been for many years now – echoes the same pedestrian play in the middle of the pitch. The country that produced Didi, Rivelino, Socrates and Falcao has more or less lost interest in midfield play. It’s all workman like effort as the midfield is simply a zone to transit through to get the ball to the front line.

    Ganso is a superlative talent. The best young player in Brazil. But on the NT he simply has no support in midfield. He was just isolated. It’s all Ramires and Lucas playing workmanlike roles as runners. It’s just so unfortunate.

    What’s so ironic about Batista and Menezes is that both were in theory brought in to bring change. Both have talked a lot about change.

    And when push came to shove both reverted back to many of the safe choices and mistakes that Maradona and Dunga made. It’s just remarkable.

    Menezes is playing Ganso but the midfield is still a pedestrian zone to get through. It’s about hard work and running and playing conservatively to protect the back line.

    And on top of that he plays Lucio at the back rather than David Luiz- and Lucio is just deteriorating rapidly as a player. Venezuela offered little in the way of threat – but he’s still not playing Luiz.

    Then what does he do to change the game? Go to his safety blanket target man in Fred. This is Brazil. Their plan “B” is a target man who is an extremely limited footballer.

    Brazil’s problem was in midfield and Menezes tries to fix it by inserting a target man up top. Unbelievable.

    Watch how Brazil now plays in midfield and you’ll see why the notion of Neymar playing for Barca under Guardiola is fantasy.

    Brazil’s major issue isn’t talent – it’s the system. Forwards in Brazil simply have almost no defensive responsibilities. It’s just not their job and they don’t really do it.

    Given that they want their full backs to both make runs forward that means that one manager after another is forced to strip the midfield of creativity. The forwards don’t defend and in the contemporary game that’s difficult to support. This is why midfield play just withers away. Menezes team is reminiscent of Dunga uninspiring squad tactically in midfield.

    Barca can afford to play one holding player and three very creative players in midfield because their forward line defends fiercely. Without that hard work Barca would be forced to make painful choices.

    • blitzen
      July 3, 2011

      I agree 95%! The 5% is the part where you think David Luiz is a better defensive choice than Lucio. I’m not convinced. Luiz is quite inconsistent really.

    • July 3, 2011

      It’s not even that I’m a big David Luiz fan – I’m really not. He really still has a lot to prove and I think there are real limits to his game.

      Messi gave him fits in the last Arg-Brazil friendly and I’d bet that’s why he’s not playing.

      That said – Lucio has been very poor this season. He looks like he’s entering one of those phases where an older player deteriorates very rapidly.

      Part of why Brazil looked so pedestrian is that they turned into a broken formation. Part of that is due to the fact that they can’t stay very compact because Lucio has no pace (not that Luiz is a grey hound).

      And what Menezes should be doing is preparing his team to win the world cup. Lucio is not going to help.

      This is a great opportunity for Silva and Luiz to develop better understanding in their partnership and instead Menezes is wasting the opportunity.

      Finally, very few teams if any are going to push Brazil back and force them to defend deep – that’s really all Lucio is good for now. Having Luiz’s ball skills would help them build play form the back. And they could really use that because Ramires and Lucas just can’t build play from the back. It’s part of why they end up as a broken formation.

      Lucio is the lesser issue though. It’s that midfield that was just awful – and it’s not Ganso.

      Brazil has almost no options for midfielders that can create on their squad. That’s the state of their NT. Outside of Ganso all they have is 18 yo Lucas. Great talent – probably not ready. Hard to get over, but this is been how they’ve played now for years. Central midfield is just an afterthought.

      How Menezes could have left Hernanes off the squad just boggles the mind, especially after the season he had at Lazio. Hernanes is a marvelous player. Just wonderful. He would be perfect for this Brazil team. He would be the ideal link from a deeper central midfield role to join the back with Ganso and the front line.

      How many boring holding midfielders does he need on that squad?

      But players like Hernanes don’t seem to be valued much in Brazil anymore. Such a shame.

    • Jnice
      July 3, 2011

      How Menezes could have left Hernanes off the squad just boggles the mind, especially after the season he had at Lazio. Hernanes is a marvelous player. Just wonderful. He would be perfect for this Brazil team. He would be the ideal link from a deeper central midfield role to join the back with Ganso and the front line.

      But players like Hernanes don’t seem to be valued much in Brazil anymore. Such a shame.

      This, and I think Vickery said something about Menezes not forgiving players easily. I think Hernanes’ red card against France ruined his chances of playing for Brasil while Menezes is coach.

    • mom4
      July 3, 2011

      While I appreciate you breaking it down for us Euler, I think you’re missing the point. Brazil tied today all because of Daniel Alves’ inability to duplicate his club form for his national team 🙂

      Seriously though, I was amazed at how centrally Dani had to play in the second half. It rather reminded me of Messi having to play more of a midfield role because of Arg.’s lack of decent creative midfielders. Dani helped there but it forced them to sacrifice the width he could have given them on the right.

      Anywho, can’t decide what is more distressing: Dani’s hair or Brazil’s white socks.

    • simple_barcafan
      July 3, 2011

      Kaka???

    • blitzen
      July 4, 2011

      Who?

      😛

  24. BarcaGirl_Indo
    July 3, 2011

    so we are the only European top club who haven’t signed anyone in this transfer season yet… lol… I’ll give some transfer updates from La Liga…

    FC BARCELONA
    (?) 😀

    Evil Empire
    Midfielder : Nuri Sahin | Dortmund | £8.8M
    Winger : José María Callejón | Espanyol | £4.3M
    Midfielder : Hamit Altintop | Bayern Munich | Free Transfer
    Defender : Raphaël Varane | Real Madrid | £9.03m

    Valencia
    Defender Adil Rami | Lille | £10M
    Goalkeeper Diego Alves | Almeria | Fees Undisclosed
    Midfielder Dani Parejo | Getafe | 4.4m

    Sevilla
    Striker : Manu Del Moral| Getafe | Fees Undisclosed
    Winger : Piotr Trochowski | Hamburg | Fees Undisclosed
    Defender : Martin Caceres | Barcelona | £3m
    Defender : Jorge Andújar Moreno | Rayo Vallecano | £1.5m

    Villarreal
    Goalkeeper : César | Valencia | Free Transfer
    Midfielder : Borja Valero | WestBrom | Fees Undisclosed

    Athletic Bilbao
    Midfielder : Ander Herrera | Zarazoga | £7.4M

    Pethetico Madrid
    Defender : Silvio Pereira | Braga | Fees Undisclosed.
    Midfielder : Gabriel Fernández | Zaragoza | £2.7m

    Espanyol
    Striker : Juan Angel Albin | Getafe | Fees Undisclosed
    Centre Back : Héctor Alfredo Moreno | AZ | £3.5M

    Málaga
    Defender : Martin Demichelis | Bayern Munich | £3M
    Striker : Ruud Van Nistelrooy | Hamburg | Free Transfer
    Left back : Nacho Monreal | Osasuna | £4.4m
    Defender : Joris Mathijsen | Hamburg | £2.1m
    Midfielder : Jeremy Toulalan | Lyon | £9.7m
    Defender : Sergio Sánchez | Sevilla | £2.5m
    Midfielder : Joaquin Sánchez | Valencia | £3.6m
    Midfielder : Diego Buonanotte | River Plate | Undisclosed Fees

    Getafe
    Winger : Diego Castro | Sporting de Gijon | Free Transfer
    Goalkeeper : Miguel Angel Moya | Valencia | Loan
    Midfielder : Mehdi Lacen | Racing Santander | Free Transfer
    Defender : Alberto Lopo | La Coruna | Free Transfer
    Def. Midfielder : Juan Rodríguez | La Coruna | Free Transfer
    Defender : Michelangelo Albertazzi | AC Milan | Loan
    Midfielder : Pablo Sarabia | Real Madrid | Loan?

    • Eklavya
      July 3, 2011

      lol, wow.

    • Srini
      July 4, 2011

      Barca have more or less completed the Kiko Femenia signing for Barca B from Hercules (2M + 2M variables) acc. to barcastuff via Diario Informacion. All that remains is the Rosell-rubber-stamp-seal. So scratch Barca from the doing nothing-twosome (alongwith Racing) for the summer.

    • blitzen
      July 4, 2011

      Wow, Malaga! I will be fascinated to see how they do this season with an almost entirely new team!

  25. tutomate
    July 4, 2011

    @ Ramzi or Euler,

    Regardless of your personal opinion of wether Cesc should come or not i wanted to get your input on a tactical issue.

    There have been some reports that seem to indicate that Guardiola is planning a three man back line (Alves, Pique, Abi) in order to incorporate Cesc to the starting lineup. I have been thinking about this. I partly believe this is hardly true and that Pep really wants Cesc to share minutes with the otrher midfields because of the long season and Xavi’s potentially tired legs and tedonitis. But I was wondering what would be the tactical advantages of such a line up. for example a

    ——–VV——-
    Alves–Pique–Abidal
    ——–Busi——-
    Xavi———-iniesta
    ——–Cesc——-
    Alexis–Messi–Villa

    I can see obvious advantages like even more dominance in the midfield. But wouldn’t this take away some of the width that Alves creates as a FB?
    I could also see Alves continuing to go forward and Alexis on the other side while Busi could drop back to keep a three man back line.

    Anyway, discuss.

    • July 4, 2011

      First thing first, General observation:

      I am one of the rare fans of the 3-5-2 (customized). First time I arrived to Sweden the Sport director of the 4th division team I coached was shocked with disbelief when I told him -after few training sessions- that I’ll base my tactics on that. Sweden is a very Rigid 4-4-2 country.

      My version of 3-5-2 has specific requirements though, which makes it inapplicable for many squads. you need a LB/LCB player who can do both. And you need a RB/RCB player who can do both. A Libero, and a holding midfielder capable of dropping to a CB position. And you need two offense oriented wingbacks or you have to train wingers to play as wingback (That’s a normal procedure in football).

      If you hold a checklist and tick boxes, you can safely say Barca has it all (Beside the forwards complexity). And that’s why I mentioned many times that I would like to see us playing this system sometimes. The main flaws for such system are:

      1) Overlapping the wingbacks or playing the ball in the space behind them creating a confusion where the opponent striker intentional move toward the CB closer to the offense process. For example when a team attack the right flank, their free forward movement is planned in a way to force the RCB to check him instead of opening to the right flank, keeping the SW and the LCB unemployed.

      To solve this, I used to change the traditional consept where the left wingback is the first to check his flank when the ball is lost (most of the time opponents attack the flank where the wingback is too advanced to track back). I used to ask the wingback on the opposite flank -closer to the defense line- to act as a fullback (say left back), giving the RCB the chance to open to the flank directly as a right back and leave two center backs (creating a 4 defense line similar to the 4-4-2) regardless of the opponent tricks. and Vise versa. As an emergency option, if both wingbacks are not ready to step in, the DM move to defense to force the RCB or LCB to play as a fullback without concerns in the center. In this case a CM move to DM role assisted by the retreating wingbacks to create a line of three in front of the defense line

      That’s why you need Center backs capable of playing as fullbacks.

      2) The excess of defenders: Most of the times, teams like Barcelona need to deal with one forward while in possession. It is waste of resources to have three center backs to check one forward.

      Thats where a libero prove being useful as in such cases he can move forward to the holding midfield aria leaving the RCB and the LCB to check the forward. This help closing spaces in the midfield and make the libero and the holding midfielder in the receiving end of the opponent’s defense clearance, which minimize counters threat.

      Based on that, I won’t mind to see this(sometimes -not always- just to avoid the predictability of the standard formation and when the game requires):

      ——–VV——-
      Puyol–Pique–Abidal
      Alves——–—Busi———-Adriano
      Xavi———-iniesta

      Messi–Villa*

      *Though you need a Llorente type here

      And for the record, this is a very offense oriented selection, don’t let the lines mislead you.

      Yet, I dont think the selection you suggested is realistic. Alves is not a RCB, so the team will not only lose his offense contribution but will also put him where he can safely perform catastrophically. The idea of releasing him to offense from that position is not possible either as the defense will be two exposed to counters.

      In the other hand, if we track Iniesta’s scoring records, it is safe to know why I prefer to keep him closer to the box than that selection suggest. Regardless of the fact that Xavi,Iniesta, and Cesc are too many and too similar for the central role needed. If one of them would be able to create areal threat in the box I would consider. Keita in many ways is better than Cesc in that selection. But generally speaking, I cant see Pep going for this one.

    • tutomate
      July 4, 2011

      Thanks Ramzi, very interesting.

    • Gogah
      July 5, 2011

      Add Coentrao in there for another 30 million for EE..
      Jesus Christ!

  26. July 4, 2011

    According to reports from Ucraine we’re very close in signing
    Yaroslav Rakitskiy Shakhatar 21 year old defender! In wikipedia they have him as a player of Barcelona!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaroslav_Rakitskiy

    Here is a video of him..ehm scoring goals ;p he seems fast but i cant really tell

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ourdabI4o0I

    and here’s an aarticle with Pep’s opinion about him

    http://www.insidefutbol.com/2011/04/14/barcelona-boss-josep-guardiola-showers-yaroslav-rakitskiy-with-praise/40539/

    Does anyone remember him from the two games against us?!

  27. July 4, 2011

    As for the above post, I think it looks great on paper, but may be to attacking. Usually in a 3 defender formation, 2 if not 3 ar CB’s. Asking Dani to stay back is difficult. It could work if Busi dropped w/ Pique, and we always kept one FB back, but then I think we lose a mid field stopper, who connects the mids w/ the defense? Xaxi? I think that is to deep for him.

    Also for Euler, I was impressed w/ the LB for Brazil today, he is stronger offensivly that Abidal, and seems a capable defender…your thought on his performance today, would he fit w/ us?

    • tutomate
      July 4, 2011

      That’s what I was thinking. Good points.

  28. Vj
    July 4, 2011

    Santos? No way. Abidal is waaay more stronger offensively. Case in point, against Athletic in the CdR 2nd leg..

    • barca96
      July 4, 2011

      I didn’t watch the match but if Im not mistaken the LB for Brazil is Bastos.

    • mom4
      July 4, 2011

      Santos played. I was underwhelmed.

    • July 4, 2011

      I disagree, Abi (who I love) is not more offensive in my opinion. Plus I was assuming Abi playing more central next year. To point to one game that Abi is more offensive than Santos is nuts. With Fenerbache, Santos has scored 9 goals in 52 games….Come on, it’s not even a competition offensivly. Having said all that, Abi is a lockdown defender, and fits into our system perfectly. Also he is humble and loves Barca, not to mention he is an emotional leader. I LOVE ABI, but Santos is a more offensivly proficient player.

  29. July 4, 2011

    To mods :
    Is there a reason why you erased my post about the shakhtar defender?
    too many links?
    *puzzled*

    • Eklavya
      July 4, 2011

      If your comment contains more than one link, then it awaits moderation.

  30. flyzowee
    July 4, 2011

    You really wonder what Pozzo and barca are talking about…..
    These guys have been negotiating forever.

    So frustrating……

  31. K_legit
    July 4, 2011

    I am currently partially intoxicated on the fermented malt extract we synthesized in the lab (read: lab scale beer) and I have to say this: WE HAVE WON TEN TROPHIES IN THREE SEASONS..BE HAPPY..WE WILL WIN MORE!
    There has not been a better team in which to be a Culé and that is the truth

    Visca Barça!!!

    • mom4
      July 4, 2011

      Ah, better living through chemistry. Our professors never let us brew any beverages 🙁 I do remember having fun freezing things in LN2 and breaking them on the organometallic chem lab’s floor, though. Good Times!

      And Happy 4th of July to all BFBers in the US!

  32. barca96
    July 4, 2011

    An American woman football player just appeared on EspnNews channel called “Hope Solo”. She really looks like one of the Kardashian girls.

    What on earth is wrong with Bellerin? How can he spend half his life at Barca but idolize Ronaldo instead of someone who is like him, brought up the Barca way, Messi??? It really baffles me. Out of all people, he idolizes someone who really is the opposite of Barca.

    Here is the excerpts thanks to Barcastuff
    Bellerin (youth Arsenal): “My idols? Cristiano Ronaldo, and off the pitch Iniesta. Since I play as full-back, also Alves and Gareth Bale.”

    • Eklavya
      July 4, 2011

      Man, you’re annoying. A person is free to idolise whoever he wants. It’s not a crime against humanity to be a fan of Ronaldo.

    • Noslehcimretep
      July 4, 2011

      Indeed. He already has 2 idols from Barca, and one undisputed baller in Bale. If I was a professional footballer I’d see a lot to idolize in TB as well. Truth be told it doesn’t matter how much he dives around, the left middy in me will always have a soft spot for Di Maria when he’s playing in crosses.

  33. Sheena
    July 4, 2011

    via barcastuff: Barcelona have made a 12M bid for Shaktar Donetsk centre back and UKR international Yaroslav Rakitskiy (21). [ukrainian media via sport]

    Well that came out of nowhere. Probably just a rumour, but this feels like Chygrynskiy all over again.

    • mom4
      July 4, 2011

      you win- I type too slowly 🙂

    • Jnice
      July 4, 2011

      Impressed with what I’ve seen of Rakitskiy besides his tenacious defending, he has a great left foot. Really great technique and touch for a defender, but his contract expires in 2013. Shakhtar’s president would never sell one of their most promising Ukrainian defenders for 12m. Smells like a rumor to me.

  34. mom4
    July 4, 2011

    barcastuff
    Wagner Ribeiro (agent Neymar): “Rosell is in Argentina to see some players. But as for Neymar, now it’s not the time to discuss talks.” [iq]
    For the love of all that is messi in this world, NO!!! Not Neymar #keepvestuariohappy

    barcastuff
    Barcelona have made a 12M bid for Shaktar Donetsk centre back and UKR international Yaroslav Rakitskiy (21). [ukrainian media via sport]
    Things that make you say… hmmmm?!

  35. Xingxian
    July 4, 2011

    from http://simplyfutbol.com/2011/07/messi-argentinas-problem/

    “The Maradona Myth

    Ever since I have been an adult I have heard that Maradona won the 1986 World Cup all by himself. The tall tale gets taller with every single generation. “Maradona played with ten bums.”

    Oh really?

    This myth has been promulgated too long. It’s their blind romanticism with Diego that has led them to such ignoramus remarks. I guess Jorge Valdano was such a bum, Real Madrid wanted him. Jorge Burruchaga was the leading scorer of the 1983 Copa América as well as a Copa Lib and Intercontinental Cup winner. Oh, by the way he scored the game-winner against Germany at the Azteca.

    Even Batista was a top flight midfielder for Argentinos Juniors when they won the Copa Lib in 1985 and took Juventus to the limit in Japan. José Luis Brown was plying his craft at Atético Nacional and people forget his injury in the Germany match where he played with his arm stuck to his body to give that final push. Oscar Ruggeri was one of the finest central defenders in the game. His play at River Plate helped solidify that team into a Copa Lib winner in 1986 and would then move to Real Madrid.

    Other players that were not necessarily starters like Claudio Borghi were among some of the best players in the Argentine league as well. Also players that had little influence as was the case with Ricardo Bochini and Daniel Passarella were on that side. Passarella was just along for the ride- a torturous ride at that- to the finals.

    This myth is so ingrained into Argentine football lore that they now expect Messi to single-handedly win games. If he has not won games in that manner at Barcelona, what makes Argentines really think it’s going to happen on a team that literally sits and waits to see what he is going to do next?”

    Are there any Argentines here who can weigh in on this?

    • July 4, 2011

      I followed Argentina 1986, and I’m obviously a fan of Maradona’s talent.

      They wouldn’t have won it without Maradona, that’s a given. But it is true that there were quality players, and most importantly an established system- in that team.

    • Xingxian
      July 4, 2011

      Gotcha. Thanks muchly, Ramzi.

  36. blitzen
    July 4, 2011

    Official: Centre back Andreu Fontas is definitely promoted to the first team this summer. His buyout clause is now 30M. #fcblive

    😀 😀 😀

    • blitzen
      July 4, 2011

      So with the promotion official, we have a core CB team of Pique, Puyol, Abi, & Fontas, with Milito’s exit still unconfirmed (and if you believe the quote I saw earlier, he may be staying after all). Busquets and Mascherano can also fill in as needed, plus Bartra can be called up at any time. That’s not too shabby.

    • astrosa
      July 4, 2011

      Remember our dialogue a few posts back on this topic of announcing first team play for Fontas and Thiago? Turns out you were right regarding Thiago, as he’s now posted on the official squad page of the first team: http://www.fcbarcelona.cat/web/english/futbol/temporada_11-12/plantilla/plantilla.html

      “For the 2011-12 season, Thiago has been made a full first team squad member, after signing a contract renewal in June 2011 which will keep him at the Club until 2015.”

      My face lit up to see both of their faces there!

    • astrosa
      July 4, 2011

      Also interesting that it says:

      Number: to be decided

  37. Jnice
    July 4, 2011

    The Bojan to Roma deal seems to be a wrap.

    Walter Sabatini (Roma) explica en @lagraderia que hoy o mañana se cierra definitivamente el traspaso de Bojan a la Roma via EduPolo

    Sabatini (Roma sports director) told Ona FM that the transfer of Bojan to Roma could be finalized today or tomorrow.

    See ya later, Bobo.

    • July 4, 2011

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

      😥

    • Xingxian
      July 4, 2011

      Kari, is the possibility of a toughened (and possibly physically bulkier [which I just find funny to imagine]) Bojan coming back to our team with new abilities/attributes to deal with physical defenders any consolation? I know I can’t count on it but I like the potential…

    • tutomate
      July 4, 2011

      If a Bojan that doesn’t fall at the slightest of touches returns I’ll be happy. Note that I don’t think Bojan dives he just falls because he is small and has a defetist boyish attitude. He needs to become a man.

    • July 4, 2011

      Bojan coming back to our team with new abilities/attributes to deal with physical defenders any consolation

      That’s if he does well and that’s the thing — I don’t think he will.

      It’s not a secret that offensive players struggle in Serie A. That’s why when there is a forward that scores many goals there (many goals in Serie A = >15) they are hailed as the Next Big Thing. It’s more tactical (read: defensive) than La Liga. If Bojan’s being pushed off the ball by u-21 defenders who’ve got nuthin’ on Italian defenders….

      Not to mention Luis Enrique won’t be using the exact same system as Barca, so the “knows the system” argument is null. Things like that need time, and everyone has to buy into it. As Lou pointed out a while back, Bojan comes as Lucho’s player and the veterans there who may oppose Lucho will target him.

      True, it gets him out of the pressure at Barca but it doesn’t really matter because he’ll be under even more pressure at Roma as he’ll be starting every game and people will look to him to score. Gives him more responsibility? Sure. Too much IMO? Definitely. The “he came from Barca so he must be some attacking monster” tag will weigh him down.

      The positives is that he’ll get playing time and he won’t be babied, but under pressure to score and do well, it’ll either make him or break whatever’s left of him.

      If he sold, I don’t think he’ll be coming back. That makes me sad. But that’s how it is in the world of football, I guess.

      I hope he does well and tears it up. I really do. Bojangles has so much potential.

    • July 4, 2011

      I should add: a Liga team, Villarreal to be more specific, would have been a much, much better move. I’d actually have endorsed that if they were the team being talk to instead of Roma. CL football + the direct nature of Villarreal would have really suited Bojan. Although I don’t think Barca would strengthen their direct rivals like that, nor do I think Bojan would want to play in the same league as Barca.

    • blitzen
      July 4, 2011

      as he’ll be starting every game

      I very much doubt he will be anywhere close to starting every game. At least, Totti, Borriello, and Vucinic may have something to say about that. He will be very much a junior member of the squad. The idea is for him to grow and learn, not to be dropped into another deep end.

    • July 4, 2011

      The idea is for him to grow and learn, not to be dropped into another deep end.

      Again, that’s what I think will happen. I really hope it doesn’t, but I think it will.

      Roma are desperate and really are a club in crisis; they aren’t even playing CL football this year. More than that, the Sensi family (the owners) have changed hands with another owner and it’s that transitional stage. It’s just a mess, and the new owners hope to breathe new life into the team. That’s why they’ve decided to take a gamble and hire Lucho, hoping he’ll be their Pep. There are problems with that reasoning.

      Bojan needs playing time. That’s his big issue and the only thing I can see him agreeing to go to a club in a different country that operates in a different language is that guareentee of regular playing time. How will he grow and learn if he doesn’t play? His entourage will no doubt be using that argument and it’s an argument similar to this one that got Bojan in this mess in the first place (when the B team got relegated to the third division and they threatened to leave if the club didn’t promote him).

      He won’t be a junior member. That’s what he was here. People want him to be a “man”; he’ll be given the responsibility of one. Is it fair? Depends on which side of the debate you’re on.

      At least, Totti, Borriello, and Vucinic may have something to say about that

      That’s the problem. They are the veterans (well, Totti definitely is, and Vicinic can be considered one, methinks) that need to buy into what Lucho does. Of course they won’t want change or anyone endangering their playing time. They are big figures in the dressing room. Mehopes they let Lucho do his thing, but there is gonna be some resistance. Will their egos allow what’s best for Roma? I can see Totti doing it, but Vucinic and Borriello? Nope.

      I’m skeptical. I wish I thought this would be a good move, but there are just too much misgivings. [insert a long suffering sigh here]

    • Xingxian
      July 4, 2011

      It’s more tactical (read: defensive)
      I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO ASK WHAT THAT WORD MEANT IN THIS CONTEXT, so thank you VERY much for answering. *exhale*

      I kept reading/hearing that Serie A focuses on ‘tactics’. The ‘most tactical’ league. “They” said: English soccer focuses on physicality (which I interpreted and saw on my own as more leniency from refs on contact), Spanish soccer focuses on technique (which I interpreted and saw on my own as a bigger focus on getting the most out of a star’s individual moment of brilliance), and Italian soccer focuses on tactics (which I interpreted and saw on my own as… wait, what?)

      I didn’t really get it. I’d watch Serie A and see no more great tactics OR strategy. Just a lot fewer goals. That didn’t seem like there was more intellectual genius, just more defensive play. Though I did wonder if maybe I was just ignorant and being too new to soccer to appreciate the subtleties of catenaccio. As offensive as this may perhaps be to fans of Serie A, I seriously hope your statement is correct (that ‘tactics’ is slang for defensive play) because it’d make something that’s confused me for a few months make SENSE.

    • Xingxian
      July 4, 2011

      @Blitzen:
      (from wikipedia)
      “Real Catenaccio is no longer used in the modern football world…
      One frequent mistake is to define Catenaccio as any defensive tactical system used by a football team. This is actually untrue, because Catenaccio is just one of the possible defensive tactics which can be used.”

      Oops. Definitely made that mistake in my post, because that’s what I meant. I feel extra silly because I HAD read some time ago that Catenaccio wasn’t synonymous with defensive football and I guess my brain just deleted it, so I can’t even really use ignorance as an excuse. Gogo being forgetful!

    • ak
      July 5, 2011

      Although I don’t think Barca would strengthen their direct rivals like that

      Not really direct rivals nowadays. And not really strengthening.

  38. beeeef
    July 4, 2011

    Serie A is a whole other world.

    From the way the Italians play the game to the culture surrounding the sport; it’s just different from Spain.

    Bojan is going to need to learn quick. That being said, I think he’s going to get plenty of chances. Totti is a great player, but he’s 34. One potential injury away from retirement. Menez is a talented attacker, but a better diver, and will possibly move on this summer. Vucinic has been at odds with the fans for some time now, and his notoriously inconsistent form, combined with reports that he wants to leave, mean that he might be gone as well. Borriello may have a strong ego, but I think L.E. will do his best to tame that.

  39. Dani_el
    July 4, 2011

    This a great story about Hugo Sotil, former striker for Barça in the 70’s, he scored in the 0 – 5 victory of Barça against Madrid in the Bernabeu.

    http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/20110704/historia-como-sotil-escapo-del-barca-para-jugar-con-seleccion/1065526.shtml

    It says that Sotil escaped from Barça, seeing that they didnt have a game that weekend, to come to south america to play for Peru, winning the final of the Copa America against Colombia, he also explains that in those times, the club decided if they gave permission to the player to go represent their national team, in that particular time, Netherlands had a game against Italy, and Cruyff wasnt given permision to go. Sotil also explains that he didn’t do it for money, in those times they didnt earn anything by playing in their national team (today the peruvian federation pays each player to represent our national team). Sotil scored the wining goal for Peru that time. Sotil went back to Barcelona expecting some kind of punishment, instead the directive congratulated him for the Copa America, and gave him 2 days off. Peru vs Uruguay in less than 2 hours! .)

    • July 4, 2011

      Vamos Peru! Good luck! :mrgreen:

    • Dani_el
      July 4, 2011

      Thanks Kari ! It’s starting..!

    • ak
      July 5, 2011

      Wow.

  40. Judas Pissed
    July 4, 2011

    Fontas being promoted is brilliant news. A 21 year old 6ft 1in ball playing centre half from one of the top Liga Adelante sides with extensive experience of Barcas system & play. He is THE best centre half we could have signed!

    • Jnice
      July 4, 2011

      He is THE best centre half we could have signed!

      Nah, not really. Big fan of Fontas, though, and I already counted him as permanently promoted, so this news doesn’t surprise me.

    • nzm
      July 5, 2011

      Yes – it wasn’t surprising at all.

      Fontas has been listed as a first team member on the FCB website for a few months now.

  41. Judas Pissed
    July 4, 2011

    Perfect for the first team & will stop fans whinging that we are not spending a fortune on a defender who won’t fit in…

    • dennise
      July 4, 2011

      hm, I have YET to see, what stops fans from whining… 🙂

  42. Dani_el
    July 4, 2011

    Guerrero scores for Peru! Peru 1 Uruguay 0!

  43. July 4, 2011

    GOOOOOL de Peru!

    Yeah! It’s because I wished them luck! 😀

    Too bad I can’t catch the rest. Vamos Peru! Get a second!

    • Dani_el
      July 4, 2011

      Nicely done, and on the counter attack! that doesnt happen a lot with peru! Beautiful assist from Guevara.

  44. beeeef
    July 4, 2011

    Hmm.. if Sanchez doesn’t perform brilliantly, I blame Jnice.

    • Eklavya
      July 4, 2011

      lol

  45. simple_barcafan
    July 4, 2011

    must say, even though Mexico is playing with a depleted squad, Chile are playing quite well…One of the more entertaining games of the copa so far…

  46. simple_barcafan
    July 4, 2011

    Mexico scores!!!against the run of play..

  47. July 4, 2011

    It’s the Copa de Underdogs, eh? Bolivia, Peru, and now u-22 Mexico.

    It’s all Sanchez’ fault for missing that early chance! Take 4m off his transfer fee! 😀

    • outerspacedout
      July 4, 2011

      You forgot Venezuela, who drew Brazil.

    • July 4, 2011

      No, I didn’t. Venezuela didn’t score, so I didn’t include them, but it was a great defensive performance though.

  48. Nav
    July 4, 2011

    Grondona (president ARG federation): “Messi never plays bad, those who are playing bad are the players around him.” [radio la plata via efe]

    @barcastuff

    Hah.

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