Gamper Liveblog

Oh snap it’s Isaiah back with a Liveblog! Are you ready for some quick polls!? It’ll get going just before kickoff. He match is on ESPN Deportes and ESPN3 here in the US.

By Isaiah

Isaiah is a co-founder and lead writer for Barcelona Football Blog. He currently lives in the greater Philadelphia area.

257 comments

  1. Lots of questions:

    –Will Ibrahimovic play?
    –If not, what does that mean for his future in Barcelona?
    –How serious will Guardiola take this match?
    –Will anyone not applaud Ronaldinho?
    –Will the starting front line for this match give any significance as to Guardiola’s preferred front line?
    –Is the Gamper trophy officially silver, or is it gold?

    What we know:

    –Rosell and Galliani had dinner, and left in the same car. Recall that the last time a Barca exec had dinner with an Italian exec, the Ibrahimovic deal was born. ZubiZa was also in attendance.
    –Before the dinner, there was a half-hour meeting between Rosell, Raiola and Ibrahimovic at the Camp Nou.
    –Grumbling cules were outside the restaurant, making their voices heard.
    –No deal was struck, but “everything is open,” meaning that you’d better believe one WILL be struck.
    –Fontas, Thiago and Dos Santos worked out in today’s training session with the cool kids.
    –Tweet from Sandro Rosell: “Having lunch with the executives from Milan!”

    1. – Will Ibra plays and what does that mean?

      Regardless if he plays or not, it doesnt mean anything. He may play as a message that “we are not desperate to sell” while we are.And he may not play because…He is not focused after a day of Chaos? And it goes the other ways in both cases.

      –How serious will Guardiola take this match?

      More serious than a friendly, less serious than the game we will play few days later.

      –Will anyone not applaud Ronaldinho?

      No.

      –Will the starting front line for this match give any significance as to Guardiola’s preferred front line?
      I think the whole selection and subs will take in consediration that we have a game to play few days later.

      –Is the Gamper trophy officially silver, or is it gold?

      You need to see how it reflects the sun on Iniesta’s face to make sure about that.

      I finished my test, and handing the paper 😀

      PST I Still think it is all to bring more coverage for the game today and to make Galliani feel that he actually can do negotiations to seal big deals (even with no cash to pay his lunch today-WE PAID THAT!). But we will cross that bridge later, anyway.

  2. Ibra has said over and over and over again this summer that he wants to stay.

    He’s gone so far as to communicate that he will fight for a spot on the squad. This is a player who is considered by many to be one of the 2-3 best strikers in the world. But he’ll stay and fight for a spot.

    Now this may have changed behind closed doors. Who knows.

    Despite that Barca has clearly opened up negotiation with Milan. How serious those negotations are who knows, especially given how ridiculous the offers have been so far.

    At what point in time does a player get accept the idea that the club doesn’t want him?

    Agent’s are agents. They are always going to sound the same when a deal is evolving. I don’t know how much of an inference one can draw about the player’s desire to stay or not from the over-inflated language of an agent, especially that agent.

    I’m not sure if this is like Yaya’s situation or the exact opposite. Because there it was Yaya wanting to leave and the club reluctantly allowing him to go. Here it seems like it may be more the club wanting Ibra to leave because they don’t want to pay his wages and perhaps Ibra reluctantly agreeing to go because the club sees little place for him.

    1. IMHO, if Ibrahimovic didn’t want to leave the club, he would have a press conference that says “Squash all this. I don’t want to leave Barcelona. No way. This is the best club in the world, and I can help it win everything. The end.”

    2. He said that -word by word- the first day he joined the squad after preseason (I watched the interview), then he more or less repeated that in many occasions.

    3. Then he needs to say it again, and fast. Because a meeting with he and Raiola, followed by a dinner meeting between Rosell and Galliani, followed by a continuation of the meeting with the club’s treasurer in attendance, can lead all but the most rosy-eyed to think that something is in the works.

    4. If Sandro told him all options are open, then he will be stupid to jump to the theater now hold the mic and make a speech.

      His message was clear. Now he is preparing for a game (and a season) and there is a schedule to follow (planned by coaching staff). If he will have to respond on daily bases then he will have no time for training.

      IF he will end up outside the club. There is no doubt for all but the rosy-eyed who is responsible for that.

    5. How many times does he need to say it? That’s all he’s done.

      This doesn’t seem to be driven by the player at all. This is being driven by the club. It’s the club that seems to not want him and seems to be prodding him out the door.

      What more can he possibly do or say than to make it clear he doesn’t even assume a starting spot but is willing to fight for his position on the team? What more can he do.

      But perhaps even that isn’t good enough for the club.

  3. I don’t see why the wages are an issue. We had 40 million euros of transfer money or more. Either we get a great deal for Ibra, which with Milan is not possible, or we use some of the transfer money to pay his wages this year. Even if we do pay 20+ million for Masch there is enough left to cover this.

    What we should not do however is leave our team with a 6ft5 hole right before the start of the season by selling our striker for peanuts after we had dished out 56 million euros + CL legend and striker supreme Sami Eto’o only one summer earlier!

  4. There’s no way a deal this complicated can get done in a couple of hours with dinner intermingled unless one party is getting robbed. No way. Given the amount that Barca paid for Ibra, his wages and Milan’s financial situation this would be an enormously complicated deal.

    And why would they be so explicit about the itinerary. Rosell is tweeting about his dinner meeting. When does a business deal ever get done like that.

    There were reporters and cules waiting for them at the restaurant.

    Now they are back at Camp Nou and they’ve even leaked details about who is in the room at the meeting e.g. the treasurer. That’s just dumb beyond belief. Who does business like this?

    It seems like a joke. The whole thing is so ludicrous that it almost seems like it’s just a way to generate attention in the media in conjunction with the match.

    These are the silliest negotiations I can recall.

    1. Well, I think that when you’re Rosell, the media follows you around. This stuff is coming from the likes of RAC1 and other media outlets, who make our club and its comings/goings a full-time job.

    2. “Well, I think that when you’re Rosell, the media follows you around.”

      And you help them tweeting your next step 😀

      Not that they do not know, but still.

    3. Sandrorosell_en

      1. Having lunch with the executives from Milan! about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

      He’s tweeting about it himself!

    4. You know there’s trouble when there’s a string of comments here coming from ONLY Kxev, Ramzi, and Euler…

      I’m with Euler. This is insane. If this goes down, it will be the strangest transfer I’ve ever witnessed.

  5. I do think that the agents are messing with players minds. There has to be a mechanism to stop this rot from the game. If i were agent and getting bunch of millions for moving players around, i would do it too. After all, everyone is on lookout for number 1. For the game, agents need to be curbed one way or other.

    in Masch’s case, it is a family matter and as i have read, Benitez had promised him that he will be able to leave this year. Now the scumbag owners of liverpool are playing hardball. I pity for the player but i dont think we should raise our bid. Lets see what happens.

    1. Why not? Even if we raise it to €20 + Hleb / Caceres it still means we have spent considerably less than the transfer budget available. He is the captain of Argentina and a very good player at a position that Pep has made clear he has a need.

    2. Well, word is that we’re throwing Caceres into the deal. Mascherano wants to go. Liverpool doesn’t want to let him go unless they get the right price from us, a price we aren’t willing to pay. This is eerily similar to the Fabregas situation at its most simplistic. The big (huge) difference is that Arsenal said “He isn’t for sale. Get lost. Full stop.” Liverpool clearly want to sell Mascherano. The number just can’t be agreed on.

    3. well you are right that is a huge difference. Plus the fact that Arsenal could afford not selling Cesc because they knew he cared enough for the club to give them their all for at least this season. Masch is actually refusing to play. Which I do think is pretty lousy and I can imagine the backlash Liverpool supporters will give him (and us for pursuing him). Then again, he has been wanting to leave for over a year now and one can sympathize with the fact that his wife is miserable out there…

    4. Last gossip I read this hour says that Liverpool want 18 million euros (pounds?) in cash. I don’t see it in cash, but that’s a great transfer fee if you ask me. Just a shade over the desired 15. If Caceres is thrown into the deal (or Hleb, which for them would fit into the shoes left by Benayoun), I think this can get done.

      Frankly, I’m about to say JDS isn’t wearing the 20 this season. Whatever happens with Ibra, this makes me happy.

  6. Pep is on the case. If you aren’t following his tweets, you should be. The latest:

    –ZubiZa in the house, Raiols just arrived. And now we wait.

  7. Well if he Rosell does sell Ibra there might be a strong enough backlash against him for a referendum on his presidency?

    Anyway Euler is right whether there will be a deal or not this whole thing is just making us look bad. Unless of course they will announce in a couple of hours we sold Hleb to Milan for €10 million 😉

    1. Or Caceres.

      The answer to your first question is “No.” The Catalan media has been against Ibrahimovic from the outset, and most of the fans take their cues from the press.

    2. sure, but it is one thing to be against Ibra, but quite another to actually sell him and get jack sh·t in return.

    3. if we’re trying to sell him, it has to be because pep doesn’t want him, in some way. if so maybe he doesn’t want ibra beacuse all the fuzz and contant critics from the press… but ibra could have perfectly not raised such things… he perfectly could have raised positive critics. He didn’t. I don’t think that anyone who thinks ibra is not that good for us is brainwashed by the press and the ones that think ibra has to be our 9 are critic thinkers, more like the other way. if they don’t see ibra slows the game someone is doing the “seeing” for them 😉

      I wouldn’t sell him I would just sit him but anything is fine he is not indispensable for sure.

    4. What if Rosell drives Pep away? I think that would be an extremely dangerous move that just might cost him his presidency. Remember Pep isn’t just some coach. He IS Barcelona right now.

  8. So if you’re discussing the transfer of a player you spent 69M on an hour before a match – doesn’t that kind of sort of make it just a little difficult for the manager to really provide his input into the decision making?

    Maybe they could have gotten up a little early and held this meeting over a late breakfast so Pep could have been more available. Or maybe even yesterday?

    1. Unless Guardiola has already weighed in on the matter. I have to think that if he hadn’t, these discussions wouldn’t be happening. Rosell isn’t crazy. Not at all.

    2. I’m sure he’s been consulted. But when you open up complex negotiations you don’t know what’s going to happen. It seems unlikely that they could go through the different permutations of possible deals and get Pep’s input into the various possibilities.

      At best they could have gotten his general consent. And I’d think they’d have to get his final approval unless this isn’t a sporting decision at all and it’s more a business decision.

    3. PEP said; ” I am not aware of a pending meeting between barca and Milan over Ibra”

      CLEAR AS DAY

      Actually it’s quite gloomy and dark outside.

  9. From Gazzetta Dello Sport (as if they would know):

    Barcelona wants a two-year loan, Milan want a one-year loan, Ibrahimovic wants a sale.

    1. I will be surprised if he plays, considering all the mess happening today. He will be so desperate to show his worth, which is not a good thing.

    2. I don’t mean to offend you since I respect you very much but you have been so negative lately.Is it your way of bracing yourself in case it does happen?

  10. Personally, I can’t see Ibrahimovic being the kind of player that would regress like that. He’s already dominated Serie A, and with the best side in the league? So what’s the point of going back there, unless the deal includes some sort of Premiership clause or something?

    1. Going back – never mind going back on loan would be very embarrassing.

      Milan are no competition at all for Inter right now. They aren’t even close. Going back to the same place for the far weaker side is a huge step back.

      That’s part of why I can’t see Ibra being the one driving this and wanting to leave. Why would he ever pick Serie A to go back to, never mind Milan?

      To me it seems like he and his agent are doing there due diligence on the deal because they see that Barca doesn’t want him.

  11. This has really turned into a zoo. It’s just doesn’t put the club in good light at all.

    It just makes Barca look desperate. They so want Ibra off the wage sheet that they are seriously considering loaning out a player that only a year ago they spent 69M on? That’s just remarkable.

    How does Milan – a club with no resources – act like the club that has the leverage here? How are they the ones making demands?

    This is farcical.

    1. The only case that i can think a buying club can make demands and has serious power over a transfer is when the club owning the player desperately wants to sell , while they are the only ones wanting to buy.
      We are not desperate to sell.
      Ibra will feature tonight.

  12. From RadioCatalunya:

    Milan is offering a serious transfer fee plus a player for the transfer of Ibrahimovic.

  13. Can Rosell REALLY be this stupid? REALLY? Is he trying to destroy his presidency before it even begins?

    Milan cannot even come close to affording Ibra. Nowhere near, so the only way this deal gets done is if we take a HUGE hit. Who actually thinks that Rosell would shoot himself in the foot like that after spending the whole summer talking about Laporta’s mismanagement of fincances.

    If you ask me Rosell is accomodating Milan a) because it is a long standing relationship that Rosell wishes to keep going and b) so that he can drum up as much press as possible to hype the game this evening.

    If on the other hand Rosell is actually that freakin stupid then unfortunately I only see things worsening in the years ahead…

  14. Conflicting data coming out, but a number between 20-30m+a player.

    They don’t have anyone that we want!

    1. I would take Thiago Silva or Pato… that will never happen. The player is probably Boriello. That’s disgusting.

    2. Ibrahimovic is refusing a loan deal, in part because he’s seen what happens to players that we loan. You loan a player for two reasons:

      1. He’s young and you want to get him some time.
      2. You’re done with him and are looking to get someone else to pay his salary.

    3. Borrielo has already agreed to the swap. He’d be crazy not to. He knows he won’t play, and will draw big money for sitting on his ass and watching the best club in the world.

    4. Hmmm…Kaladze? He is unsettled so its our chance.

      On a -barely- serious note, the player suggested is Mr Scissors Marco Borriello.

  15. This is bullshit it makes no sense, sporting or economic to loan him.If they want to get rid of him sell him to City FFS.

    1. But Citeh is done. Not a peep out of them. Looks like Milan is the only game in town, and they have us over a barrel, just as we think that we have Liverpool over a barrel.

  16. How is this meeting being run? How do you have active, recurrent leaks going on almost every few minutes?

    And how is it that so many diverse media sources are all getting these leaks?

    When a legitimate leak happens in a sensitive meeting it’s usually one source that gets the leak.

    But here there are 5-6 sources reporting on the minute by minute developments and those sources are in two different countries.

    How do the participants even have time to negotiate if they’re busy leaking all of these updates?

    Either these reports are fabricated or there are individuals in the room whose job it is to leak these rumors to an array of media outlets.

    Again – who does business like this? This is a joke.

  17. don’t know if anyone posted them already but, any links to the gamper party? wanna see the world champions tribute and ronnie also!!!

  18. And I’d just like to extend a heartfelt, benvingut to Sandro “Oh Lawd!” Rosell. Nice work.

  19. Milan doesn’t even want Borrielo themselves. They don’t want to pay his wages.

    Barca has absolutely no use for him. Pep will never play him.

    So in effect Barca wouldn’t even be getting 20-30M. They’d be getting 20-30M minus Borrielo’s wages.

    If this goes through it will be amongst the worst transactions in the history of professional football.

    Imagine turning 46M + Eto’o into 20M and Borrielo only one year later.

    Truly unimaginable.

    1. Exactly. I just dont buy any of this. How are all these “leaks” getting to so many different outlets? Do they have mics in the meeting room.

      Its all crap.

  20. And how convenient: Borriello’s agent is also in Barcelona. As Hannibal of “The A-Team” would say, “I love it when a plan comes together.”

    Sighhhh!

  21. Well im sure ronaldinho’s agent is in barcelona too.
    Most of other players in milan since they are here to play the gamper trophy game.That doesnt mean were gonna sign the whole team , are we?
    Media leaks like that drive me crazy.
    Talks about a swap , and then borrielo’s agent is in town.
    Like he just arrived in town..

  22. kxevin, what cat radio are u listening too?

    Is there an app for it, if not, link please.

    thanks.

  23. LOL i cant stop laughing.I bet Galliani called Borrielo a “champion” (while he nervously sweat as he couldnt believe he could possibly swindle us in the deal of the century)Hes a champion guys, its A-OK.

  24. At least they can include a compensation for me in this deal? I have some urgent work to do but its not ticking.

    Seriously, I almost forgot the stress Gaspart used to cause. I am too old now for that to bounce back.

  25. If Barca wanted to get rid of Ibra how could they not have approached Man City months ago on this when they know Mancini loves Ibra?

    How could they not have actually tried to generate market interest in him?

    The Balotelli negotiations dragged on for months. They never seemed to end.

    At any moment Barca could have approached Mancini about Ibra before the Balotelli deal went through. Getting even 30M pounds for Ibra would have been far, far better than what is being leaked now.

    This makes no sense. No sense at all. The whole thing. The deal, the negotiations, the leak. None of it.

    1. And had they approached City, atleast there would have been a few players who we might have been interested – at least to fill our DM gap…

  26. Hate The thought of Boriello coming. I could just cry.

    On a side note, am I the only one who thinks Pirlo could be an interesting inclusion?

  27. Looks like 25-30m+Borriello, says those bastions of reliability Sport and EMD. That’s a striker we apparently don’t want, for a striker we shouldn’t want, were we in our right minds.

  28. Then of course, we boost our bid for Mascherano, agree to pay more than we should, and get that deal done.

  29. If they take Borriello a year from now we are going to be repeating this exercise looking for a way to desperately loan him out.

    Pep will treat him like he as players like Henrique and Kerrision – players he didn’t want.

    Just amazing that Rosell would even consider crippling the club like this.

  30. As I said in the last post, the thing that bothers me mos about what is going on at the moment is that I have no idea what is going on. There is absolutey no transparencyat our club at the moment. At times opacity can be beneficial, such as to protect someone at the club (like Pep for example). However it is impossible to tell who is driving this deal at the moment. One of the big criticisms of the Laporta era was the lack of transparency at the club. Not to rag on Rosell, but he spoke a lot about transparency during the race, and I was hoping he would follow through, but now we have this.

    1. And that lack of transparency makes the club look silly and frivolous because there’s a general sense of confusion that’s developing around it as if there is no clear organizational plan or decision making authority.

    2. What do you mean “no transparency”?!?!?

      Who do you think invited the mole and provided us with this wonderful leaked live, minute by minute coverage?

      Sad day.

  31. From @soniagelma:

    A lot of confusion among the journalists. Everything still possible: loan, sale, no deal.

  32. From Pep

    Borriello will probably not be included in the deal with Milan on Ibrahimovic, nor will any other player (via @gemmaherrero and @soniagelma)

    No one has any idea what is going on.

    This almost feels like an intentionally created circus to generate “buzz.”

    1. I tell you, when I read the statements Rosell made at the Supporter’s Congress (or what have you…on official website), there was a lot of talk about “austerity” that does not inspire confidence in Ibra’s staying.

      ohpleaseohpleaseohpleasenoooo…

      Link to Pep’s twitter?

    2. If you buy a player for 69M and off load him for 33% of that value only a year later that’s not really helping “austerity” even if you remove his wages.

      Pep’s twitter:

      **http://twitter.com/barcastuff

  33. Boriello might be that second striker liverpool so desperately need, in exchange for mascherano

  34. Will the fans boo Boriello. I seriously hope not as its not his fault. They can boo Sandro, only if they want of course.

    1. I am about to go to lunch, where I intend to boo everyone. Lustily. Mr. Bus Driver? Boooo! Sandwich vendor? Booooo! Street sweeper? Booooo!

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