UEFA Opens Proceedings Against Sergio Busquets [UPDATE]

The Busi affair has taken a turn for the official. It’s about time too and it’s a very good thing, no matter what side of the controversy you’re on. UEFA has released official notice on their website that they’re opening proceedings against Sergio Busquets for allegedly calling Marcelo a monkey during the first leg of the Champions League semifinal at the Bernabeu. The decision will be handed down either May 15 or 16.

There are several things that are worth discussing beyond the procedural things.

Thing the first

It is imperative, as it always is in civil or criminal cases, to maintain a level of rationality about all of this. UEFA has not found Busquets guilty of an act of racism. They have opened proceedings to determine whether or not the alleged act occurred. These are extremely different things and the precise nature of this language is extremely important at the moment. We’ll all have our time to froth at the mouth on Monday if a guilty verdict is handed down, but until then, maintaining innocent until proven guilty is more important than being the first in line to throw rocks.


UEFA may have taken longer than expected and led some to believe they were sweeping this under the rug, Madrid may have pushed the envelope too far via the media, and Barça may have remained unaccountably silent throughout rather than dealing with things head on in a proactive manner, but it is being dealt with and it appears to be a fair and properly executed case. Like the criminal justice system of any country, state, or region, there are problems with UEFA’s judicial approach, but until it has run its course, it is hard to say whether anything wrong was done. In lieu of knowing that, again, innocent until proven guilty, and that means we should give a measure of trust to the proceedings.


The detail that stands out in all of this is the line, “The proceedings have been launched on the basis of evidence provided by Real Madrid (video and statement of club and player).” It is not news to anyone that there is video evidence involved, but it is news that Marcelo (presumably) gave a statement to UEFA. Without knowing what that statement is, it is impossible to speculate on its veracity (either in the affirmative or negative), but it seems rational that this statement will be the crux upon which Madrid’s accusations rest.

Thing the last:

Whatever the outcome of this trail, if that’s what we can call it, it is important that Barça (both the club and the board) confront it head on and openly discuss the very real aspect of racism in the world and its very real existence in the game we all love so dearly. In a lot of ways, this point has little to do with whether Busi is guilty or not and everything to do with setting the tone for future and putting Barça squarely in the driver’s seat of the fight against this insidious foe. There is absolutely no room for racism in this game and airing these grievances, putting them front and center, and actually dealing with them is far more important than what happens to the trophy cabinet or the club’s coffers. This is a club that wears UNICEF on its shirt (at least for now) and displays anti racism banners at matches, but is it a club that is paying lip service to an idea or actually embodies it? The club’s reaction will go a long way towards establishing FCB as either a leader in the fight against racism or just another faux do-gooder failing to live up to its own hype.

Much more later.

UPDATE: Toni Freixa has, according to journalists Roger Saperas and Sandra Sarmiento, made the following statement to BarçaTV:

Busquets diu que no és veritat el que diuen que va dir. El nostre jugador assegura que va dir ‘mucho morro’

Busquets said it wasn’t true what they said he said. Our player maintains he said “mucho morro“.

The term “tener much morro” means “to have a lot of nerve”–so, in essence, Busi claims he was saying “what nerve.”

This may devolve into a he said he said thing or UEFA may take a particular stance depending on what Marcelo’s still unknown statement is. Or at least unknown to me at the time of writing these words. There has, at the very least, been a response from the club and it looks like they will defend him come hell or high water.

If he really did say “much morro”, well, Busi has some nerve of his own saying that to someone after he dove clutching his face…

UPDATE 2: It was pointed out by Ramzi on Twitter, but it deserves repeating here: Busquets’ denial does not mean he didn’t do it, but it is worth reporting. Someone is lying and there’s no reason to assume it’s Marcelo and not Busi. Marcelo too is innocent until proven guilty.

UEFA has a lot more information than the rest of us and thickly laying on the morality does no one any good at the moment. There’s a long ways to go in this saga, that’s for sure.

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  1. Luke
    May 12, 2011

    Guilty until proven innocent, period.

    Great post Isaiah.

    • mintmocha
      May 12, 2011


      I’m interested to see the evidence that EE will present.

      • mintmocha
        May 12, 2011

        So… you can’t delete comments here? =/

        So sorry, but I read the original comment as “innocent until proven guilty”, which is what my stance is. Not the other way around.

        I’m still interested to see the evidence will be put forward.

    • Ryan
      May 12, 2011

      Innocent until proven guilty, I’d say.

    • Nav
      May 12, 2011

      Fortunately, we don’t live in the middle ages.

    • that’s now how thing legally work, but of course the grand masses always perceive it like this.

  2. blitzen
    May 12, 2011

    Yeah, I’m not looking forward to the discussion/arguments/breastbeating that is going to break out in here and elsewhere. I’m just going to wait and see what the club has to say on the matter and for the UEFA ruling.

    I guess I won’t be giving out awards today, anyway.

  3. jaymin
    May 12, 2011

    should be relatively straightforward if they employ lip readers. busi is an ass, but uefa is setting itself up awkwardly here. is it really going to want to set a precedent which sees it taking statements from every black player who is racially abused in spain or italy?

    • May 12, 2011

      No. But in the case of a very specific allegation buttressed by video evidence in a UEFA tournament, and lest we not forget against two of the highest-profile teams in the world, UEFA simply has to investigate this matter.

      And usually, it’s fans making monkey chants or some such. Player-on-player is rare, and potentially more damaging for so many reasons.

  4. Josep
    May 12, 2011

    I still think it’s harsh to make him miss a CL final. I’d rather he sat out a full year then his ban start on the biggest game of the season.

    • May 12, 2011

      I mean yeah, all he did was try to take another human being’s humanity in a public, reprehensible way. I’m sure he’s very very sorry. #sarcasm

      As Isaiah said, we don’t know if he’s done anything, so we must work with the presumption of innocence. But in no way, shape or form, if the allegations prove to be true, is missing the final too harsh. I wouldn’t think that missing next season would be too harsh.

      The club and the game have to take a stand. And irrespective of the outcome of the case, the club could use the opportunity to take a very public stand somehow.

      • hazelypants
        May 12, 2011

        I hope we can agree that racism is rooted in ignorance. If so, then please explain how you’ve determined that his goal was to *take another human being’s humanity in a public, reprehensible way*. If you understand that ignorance is the real problem, then you should be more concerned that our club takes on the responsibility to educate him to not only expand his view of the human race and embrace it, but to also be responsible with his words. You’re right though, missing an entire season isn’t harsh, it’s pointless. The goal here is to overcome racism, not show the world how much FC Barcelona does not tolerate racism. If he did call him mono, then the way FC Barcelona proves that it does not tolerate racism is by not appealing to UEFA’s decision. If FC Barcelona wants to overcome racism, then it will nurture it’s player by getting him some help.

        • May 12, 2011

          Because if the alleged offense happened, labeling someone a “monkey” makes them sub-human. Simple as that.

          And I think that we have to differentiate racism from xenophobia. A xenophobe might be, but isn’t necessarily racist. There, the ignorance-based contention could be made, as in “Well, all they know is their own world, and they think it’s great and everyone else sucks. Let’s educate them.”

          Racism is “I know, and I don’t care. That person is inferior simply because of the color of their skin.” Ignorant? No. Racists are very aware of their behavior. Stupid? Without question, because stupidity often flies in the face of logic and knowledge.

          Racism will not be overcome. Not in our game, not in the world. Sorry ’bout the bit of bad tidings. The best you can hope is that the threat of penalty will make people think twice about expressing those awful views in a forum that might influence an impressionable mind.

          The goal is twofold, by the by. In an ideal world, we would hope to eliminate racism. But it is also of immense value to demonstrate that FC Barcelona does not tolerate racism.

          There isn’t really “help” for racists. You hope that life’s events transpire in a way that demonstrates their race-based contentions to be inaccurate.

          Further, something that I’ve brought up before, using racist words doesn’t make someone racist. People choose all kinds of ways to wind up an opponent and make them nuts. So yes, the very player who pals around with Keita and Abidal can call Marcelo a monkey, because in the instance of the allegations having some foundation, the objective was to wind up an already-volatile player, with the ultimate goal of helping your team succeed.

          If this is the case, the question then is:

          Is a 5-match ban sufficient for such a gesture, if the person is in fact not racist. Then it becomes reduced to a severe foul, right? And how many fouls would get a player banned for 5 matches?

          For me, the club has to take a stand. And the only way to do that is to be draconian. “We don’t tolerate this, and this is what will happen if you do it.”

          • hazelypants
            May 12, 2011

            To label someone as a monkey is not as simple as you say it is. If when someone is being labeled a monkey, this automatic transformation of going from human to sub-human… where is it happening? In Busi’s mind? In Marcelo’s? In yours? Certainly not in mine though my mind can register that it is offensive if not a feeble attempt to offend. You take away someone’s humanity by discrimination, by physically putting a person in that position.

            Also, in my opinion, there is ignorance to be found in both xenophobia & racism. Racists know this: my race is better than ‘x’ race. You cannot use the word stupid to not acknowledge the lack of understanding these people have of why it really is they chose to reason this way. I think it’s deeper than “I believe my skin color is better than the other” and there is help for that.

            Personally, I don’t think Busi is racist. If a 5 match ban is what UEFA is down for I’m not complaining considering you’d like the club to be all Draconian about it. It’s bad enough with Rosell being all Rosellian about other things 🙂

        • Puppet
          May 12, 2011

          I don’t think it has much to with ignorance, or the need to be “educated.” If Busquets did say it, then his demeanor in the video suggests he was attacking Marcelo using a tactic most likely to get a rise from him. That is cold and calculating, and worse then a heat-of-the-moment racial slur. Gamesmanship is bad enough, but using racism as an instrument for it is simply unacceptable.

          Again, Busi is innocent until proven guilty in my eyes, but if he’s guilty he needs to be punished. No two ways about it.

  5. Eklavya
    May 12, 2011

    So if UEFA deceide to ban him, he will surely miss the final? Unless they specifically say that the ban starts next season, right?

    • May 12, 2011

      Unknown, Eklavya, but that would be the best guess. Suspensions are usually effective from the very next match of a tournament. If EE were still in the CL, Mourinho’s ban would be in effect immediately.

      • Luke
        May 12, 2011

        If a ban comes down, he will miss the final. It would be some kind of bullshit to find a person guilty of racism and then wait to suspend him until after the final. If you do that, you deserve to miss the final, period.

        • Noslehcimretep
          May 12, 2011

          agreed. Letting him play the final and then banning him would take away from the ‘hard line’ if that is what they are really after.

  6. May 12, 2011

    Now that it is official, I’m waiting the club’s response. The fact that Rosell is in the house doesn’t inspire lot of confidence when it come to proper management. But we need to hear from the club now.

    And BTW no one is considering him innocent till proven guilty. Lets take of the gloves. Putting “IF he did it” before saying everything that point in one direction (that is: applying death penalty) does not make a difference.

    • jaymin
      May 12, 2011

      well the evidence is already promulgated, is pretty airtight.

      • Jnice
        May 12, 2011


        Video without audio is airtight? I’ve watched the video 20 times at least, and I still don’t see mono. I’ve asked my sister who’s fluent in Spanish to look at the video several times and she’s still unsure of what he actually said.

        Airtight? I don’t think so.

        • jaymin
          May 12, 2011

          there exists a profession of well trained experts for this very scenario.

          • May 12, 2011

            Well then, we have no choice but to wait an official reliable report from a profession of well trained experts about this very scenario, before commenting on the matter.

  7. blitzen
    May 12, 2011

    At the very least, Marca has its headline for tomorrow.

  8. linguist
    May 12, 2011

    I am sorry, but it is not “straightforward”. It is not possible to determine unequivocally what someone has said by lip-reading alone. This is because each lip position corresponds to a series of sounds, not just one sound. There will be no unequivocal evidence in this case.

    I would suggest that anyone interested in the lip-reading question read up on it, if you will not take the word of an expert.

    Personally, I think we must not prejudge this case, as some seem to have done. I do not know that even an official judgement will reveal the truth. I am hoping for the best – both innocence and a judgement of innocence.

    It is perhaps when allegations are most serious and guilt can have the most serious consequences that it is hardest to remember the principle most nations and communities hold dear: innocent unless proven guilty.

    Valuing this principle does not mean trivializing offences. Wishing fair treatment for an accused person does not mean dismissing the seriousness of racist abuse.

    Please, let us be fair.

  9. jaymin
    May 12, 2011

    I still think this is an ugly scenario, and marcelo and other black players in spain and italy are going to catch utter hell for it next season.

  10. Josep
    May 12, 2011

    first madrid plan their copa parade the after we win the liga, and now the case is finally opened.


    • BarcaGirl_Indo
      May 12, 2011


      no comment further…

      just curious with the club’s reaction…

  11. Miguel
    May 12, 2011

    Why can’t you let me love you, Busquets? 🙁

  12. Helge
    May 12, 2011

    It’s time for Marcelo to finally release a statement, imo.

    And I’m relieved that at least the UEFA does care about racism, I doubt the LFP would have opened proceedings if this has happened in the CdR final instead of the CL semi-final.

    Concerning the ban for Busquets and losing him for the CL final, I’m not worried at all. Because we have Mascherano to replace Busquets, and maybe, against ManUtd, Mascherano is better anyway. He knows them from his time @ Liverpool (btw, congratulations to King Kenny for the new contract (and to the new owners for making this decision) – Liverpool has always been my favourite club in England, and now there is light at the end of the tunnel). And I’m sure he will not have to fill in in central defence.

  13. lovelymofo
    May 12, 2011

    I do hope this gets resolved soon. But one thing I can say is that EE didn’t bring up these charges to fight racism, to defend its player’s honor – it’s more about damaging Barça’s chances at winning the Champion’s League. That’s why you have articles focused entirely on Busquets missing the final and not articles on racism in the sport.

  14. Humphrey Bogart
    May 12, 2011

    Okay, supposed Marcelo say it did happen and Sergio denies it? What will they do then? It would be a case of one statement against an other because I hardly believe that lip reading is any kind of prove.

    In Germany we have at the moment an interesting judical case: a very prominent person (weather guru) is accused of raping his ex/girlfriend. There are some items involved (knife,..) who can not be interpreted clearly in favour for one party or the other. At the end the only thing you have is the statement of her and the statement of him and a lot of experts trying to find out who is more believable.

    I think at the end he will be found guilty because nobody can be sure which one of those two is lying.

    What I want to say is that even if we have the statement of Marcelo it would not be a proof until it is confirmed by Sergio, it not then they can not found him guilty until they found a third reliable witness who did hear what happened

    • Humphrey Bogart
      May 12, 2011

      Sorry to say:

      will be found NOT guilty

    • Jim
      May 12, 2011

      This is kinda where I am. As a teacher who has to make disciplinary decisions regarding incidents involving kids, the worst is where the two protagonists make diametrically opposed statements and there is no corroborating evidence from witnesses. Perhaps marginally worse is when we have CCTV evidence which is inconclusive as there is pressure from all sides to make a decision because “we have the evidence”.

      UEFA need to investigate this but if all they have is what I’ve seen so far I don’t envy them making their decision. It may be that the best they can do is that grand old Scottish verdict ” not proven” which won’t help anyone.

      I also still don’t see what people expect the club to say at this stage. If Busi is denying it should the club back their player? If not, what can they say other than we will await the outcome?

  15. Liva
    May 12, 2011

    As I already wrote before – the video, in my opinion, is not conclusive, but still – it exists, so there are basis for accusations, but there are also, in my opinion, factors that seem to be in Busquets’ favour (they’re not conclusive either, of course). None of us knows what he said since none of us were there and heard him say it or not.

    People often sniff at UEFA (and sometimes rightly so, some of their decisions have been strange to say the least), but at the moment there really is no better alternative, in this case they are the governing body. So their decision, for me personally, will probably end the speculation. If Busquets indeed said what he is alleged to have said, then there must be a strict punishment, I don’t care that he would have to miss the final, it would be more than deserved.

    Unfortunately, the sad part (apart from the whole matter in general, of course) is that no matter what kind of decision UEFA takes, the people who are right now calling Barca racists (by the way, they usually tend to be the same ones who keep saying that Barcelona only win ALL of their games by cheating and diving etc.) won’t stop their complaints and accusations. I can already predict what is going to be said: if Busquet’s is found guilty – then everyone in Barca is a racist and a cheat; if Busquet’s is found innocent – well, you know, there is that Barcelona-Unicef-UEFA conspiracy, never forget that one.

    • Ryan
      May 12, 2011

      Yep, and EE ends up winning either way.

  16. Olufestus
    May 12, 2011

    off topic, i saw it on crap.com(goal.com)that we are contemplating signing ‘STRIKER JABULANI MASTER’, DIEGO FORLAN…how true is that

    • mega_tajh
      May 12, 2011

      Yeah I saw sport also reporting the same but its only if our other transfer targets are to expensive. Also Forlan commands a salary for 7Mil a year which for me is to high for just a bench player.

    • blitzen
      May 12, 2011

      About as true as any of the other rumours floating about. I am sure the club is looking at him as an option, but I would be surprised if we sign him. His buyout price wouldn;t be bad, but he is on very high wages, and he has been off form practically all season. Goldie also has some history of being a bit of a diva, so I don’t know if Pep would want him.

      • mega_tajh
        May 12, 2011

        I hope he stays at Atl. Madrid. If it is true that Luis Enrique is going there then I firmly believe he can work something out with the strike power they got. Also if Enrique goes to Atlethico then I expect few of our B-teamers to be loaned out to them which would be awesome development wise.

    • mega_tajh
      May 12, 2011

      yeah these young footballers these days. First Jack Wilshere now him.

  17. Vj
    May 12, 2011

    Let UEFA decide on May 15, if he’s guilty, he should serve the punishment, along with that of the club. If not, then it sure the people who are already condemning him, sure apologize. Simple!

  18. dennise
    May 12, 2011

    Isn’t inconclusive decision an option? Because UEFA is not “the real” court. And due to lack of proof it is impossible to say who is right, who is wrong? Also, this game is played on playground. It is not a real life: during your job interview nobody cares whether you’re barca fan or not.

    It is a common mistake to assume: roles on the playgrond=real life. You may be a hero on the playground but cheater in real life.

    Or vice versa: a diver on playground but very law obedient citizen in real life.

    • May 12, 2011

      On the principles of innocent until proven guilty, the lack of guilt is the same as innocence. You can’t have a “oh well, maybe he did it I don’t know” decision. Not knowing if he didn’t do it means he’s innocent because you can’t condemn someone based on doubts in their innocence.

  19. Josep
    May 12, 2011

    wow Busi says he said mucho morro (what nerve)

    if this is true.. wow. just wow. No one said Marcelo came out and said he said it.. but wow. Busi seemed innocent the whole time..

  20. mei
    May 12, 2011

    according to busquets, he didn’t say “mono, mono” (“monkey, monkey”), but “mucho morro” (“(you’ve got) a lot of nerve”) .
    Now can we get kxevin back?

  21. Jim
    May 12, 2011

    Then why attempt to mask it? There would be nothing wrong with saying that straight out or am I missing something?

    • Jnice
      May 12, 2011

      Players and coaches mask what they say all the time, no? At least from what I see. Players are always covering their mouths.

        • Jim
          May 12, 2011

          Yeah but only when you are talking to a team mate so the opposition doesn’t hear, like in tennis doubles. Look, I’m not prejudging anything – I just can’t see why he would want to do that when you’re talking to the opposition.

          • Josep
            May 12, 2011


            I think he did it so he could hear clearly (like Pique did).

            Also, welcome back. Where have you been? Haven’t seen you in a few days or maybe weeks, no?

  22. May 12, 2011

    It is not case closed yet. Though and as predicted, the club and player responded when things became official, as they should.

    Busquets denying doesn’t mean he didnt do it. It means Real Madrid need to give a solid proof its him who’s lying. Or else its them.

    Things got dirty already. If it is proven he said a racist comment, he should be punished. If not, I demand that Barcelona take to court everyone involved in this propaganda, starting by Real Madrid.

  23. Megster
    May 12, 2011

    Hey guys! Busi finally speaks. Accdg to a barcastuff tweet, instead of mono, mono…Busi claims that he actually said was “mucho morro” (you have a lot of nerve).

  24. May 12, 2011

    I don’t see how UEFA could punish Busquets based on the video alone and the statement of one of our archrivals’ players after Busquets denied the allegations. It’s just not conclusive.

    Is there any way of knowing what Busquets really said? Probably not, but as for worries about the club’s response, Busquets has denied the accusations, and it’s Barcelona’s obligation to defend their player. I don’t see what else the club could do in this situation.

    If Busquets is innocent, then this is just Real Madrid grasping at straws to try to tarnish Barcelona’s success, which is disgusting really. Vindictive and petty.

  25. May 12, 2011

    Comes via a BarcaTV interview with Toni Freixa (“mucho morro” vs “mono mono”).

  26. It all depends where you want to stand on this issue. If you like Busquets, you will say his innocent. If you don’t like him, well, he is a tit at times so understandable that he must be a racist too. If you have winners guilt, well, you might want him to be guilty.
    Plus don’t forget that he drove Yaya Touré out of town..

    Anyway, the bottom line is that it’s Marcelo’s word against his word. I would look twice up the sky if Marcelo told me the sky is blue. On the other hand, Busi has his reputation.

    Personally, I just can’t believe that FIFA will let this go, despite no clear evidence, despite Marcelo’s word against Busquets word, despite Busquets having black teammates, despite it not making any freaking sense to call someone “monkey monkey”, despite many other reasons.

    So whatever….it is what it is. All I have to say is that if after 3 seasons of sacrifice and hard work, of incredible games, of everything he has done you still tend to believe Marcelo over one of your own players, you seriously might have some issues, with all due respect.

    • culegirl3
      May 12, 2011

      No one’s discrediting Busquets for his contribution to the team and all the titles he’s helped the team win. On the contrary, he has been a very important piece to this amazing team and all it has accomplished over the last couple of seasons.

      However, this is not about how he plays but about his moral conduct on the field. There is such a thing as respect for the game, your opponents, and your teammates. Things get heated, words will be exchanged but its one thing to get a reaction out of an opposing player by telling him he’s an idiot or a liar for diving while its another entirely different situation when you are calling said player a monkey when they just so happen to be black.

      It’s turned into someone’s word vs someone elses. How they’re supposed to discern who is being honest and who is full of crap is beyond me but one thing is clear. IF this turns out to be false, the only thing this proves is that Real Madrid have achieved a new low by starting an all out smear campaign against their eternal rivals because they cannot accept the fact that despite spending obscene amounts of money and hiring the man with the dirties mouth in football all they got was a broken cup and their manager suspended 27272 times in one season. they are not worthy of having the word “Real” as part of their team name. I don’t see them apologizing just like they have yet to apologize for their beloved trainer’s idiotic rant because in EE’s mind they are right and that’s that.

      • Look, if Busquets has REALLY called Marcelo a monkey, well, then throw him the hell out of the club for as much as I care…give him whatever punishment, because a) you must be really stupid to say this given the circumstances b) WTF, there are 1000 swear words, even racist ones, and you call him monkey? As a fan of colorful swearing, I can’t tolerate this behavior..(and I’m just joking now).
        But the point is that it’s his word against Marcelo’s word and nothing else. The point is further that he has black team mates who don’t seem to hate him/dislike him particularly.
        The point is that Marcelo and Madrid decided around 2 days after the game to make this claim, not right after it, nothing.
        The further point is also that as a fan of the club I’m more willing to believe my player than anyone else, but reading some comments, I don’t see this there and I’m wondering why?

        With regards to “respect” for the game…I may repeat the legendary Rob Base and DJ EZ..”it takes two”

        • with colorful I meant colorful language not colorful in racist swearing…

          and before anyone asks…I have rather dark hair and dark skin and live in a city where a far right party has 25% of votes, so yes, I know what racism is and I have felt it as a kid too, so I don’t need to understand the case that racism is very bad. Hence also my point that if Busi really called him a monkey and wears swastika boxers, then kick him out. But right now it’s his word against Marcelo’s and given everything, there should be no question that he gets the benefit of doubt.

    • Vj
      May 12, 2011

      he is a tit at times so understandable that he must be a racist too.
      Plus don’t forget that he drove Yaya Touré out of town..

      Plain downright utter slander!

      Understandable? He must be a murderer too while you’re at it!

      He drove Senna out of town too! Yaya’s departure HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RACISM WHATSOEVER! You think Yaya would tolerate racists? He’s Yaya!

      • blitzen
        May 12, 2011

        I think you missed the sarcasm, Vj…

        • Vj
          May 12, 2011

          Not that I’m any better than Sheldon Cooper, but he should’ve worded it more carefully. People that dislike Busi don’t make such statements. I thought he meant to say that. Obviously, the blind rage prevented me to process what he had to say next.

          Oh well, atleast the person reading the above will pick up pointers on how to take something out of context and generally do as much as he/she pleases. Besides that, one can also bold and italic tags in conjunction :/

  27. Barcaleya
    May 12, 2011

    Isaiah – how do you know what Busi was saying “mucho morro” to? Could it be in reply to something Marcelo said? Was it right after he dove clutching his face and out of the blue says that to Marcelo? Do we even know at what point that video was taken? Was it after Busi was hit in the chest and started clutching his face?

    Since UEFA opened the case in response to the video AND Marcelo’s statement (but we don’t know what he said) – we can assume that Marcelo accused Busi of saying “mono, mono.”

    Busi now denies by saying he said “mucho morro.”

    UEFA can look for additional evidence by getting statements from people who heard what Busi said. If no one else heard him, it becomes a sole question of credibility between Marcelo and Busi. Who is telling the truth? The only other evidence that can be used is the video which, without audio, is vague and not helpful at all.

    Because the video is unclear, the doubt is not erased. When there is doubt – who do you rule in favor of? You have to rule in favor of dismissing case/acquittal.

    [On the other hand, both parties can also start submitting evidence of character against each other. Do they always lie? How many times have they lied in the past, etc. And so on….]

    • yelèna
      May 12, 2011

      so when in doubt, better to acquit the guilty than to hang the innocent, right?

      woooh Leya, do you specialize in criminal law?

      • Barcaleya
        May 13, 2011

        Hi Yelena!

        Yes – to the first question.

        Not really – to the second. But law is pretty much my field.

  28. K_legit
    May 12, 2011

    If Busquets is proven to have said ‘Mucho Morro’ (You have some Nerve) to Marcelo instead of a racist remark would it justify the witch hunt that has been instigated against him by Rel Madrid Futbol Club? If he’s proven guilty, punish him by all means..make an example of him with a 5-10 match ban and a fine..if he’s innocent then Real Madrid Futbol Club needs to issue an apology forthwith..

  29. soccermomof4
    May 12, 2011

    IF he did the crime, and is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, then he does the time(effective immediately/ sMasche plays in the final). IF he is proven guilty then the club should require(and decency demands) additional apologies from him and maybe the club should impose an additional punishment and NOT appeal the decision nor the timing of the sanctions. Then he will be an example and he and others will learn from his mistakes.

    One thing is certain, EE had this written up and ready to hand in the day after we clinched the league. I imagine that had we not gotten that point yesterday they would have waited until we did. We win on the pitch, they win off the pitch and rain on the parade.

    One other thing is certain. VdB has even more of a headache to deal with now. Heck, if I were he, I wouldn’t call up a single EE or Barca player for the next NT game (no offense if you have tickets for those).

    BTW, one of my kids has had 3 semesters of ASL(American Sign Language) and will continue with ASL IV next semester. All of said kid’s teachers have been deaf. That kid says that lip reading is a helpful tool but is not proven to be very reliable in and of itself. Note, that I’m not claiming the kid is an expert, just throwing it out there for what it’s worth.

    But right now all we have is an accusation and I’m not gonna engage in speculation. Therefore, until Monday, I’m finding myself a different hobby. Maybe another English Period Drama vacation—Mr. Darcy, here I come…

    • May 12, 2011

      One of my best friends is a lawyer, I asked him about this the other day, if lip reading would be admissable in a court of law and he laughed at me. Then again UEFA is not a court of law, they might take it upon themselves to accept a lip readers judgement, but no matter what a lip reader says it wouldnt prove beyond a reasonable doubt thats what Busquets said.

      Nobody can prove it either way. You either believe Marcelo or you believe Sergio. Thats the bottom line.

    • Ryan
      May 12, 2011

      Better for the NT to get out its kinks in a friendly than in the next qualifier, I’d say. I’m also going to the game and want to see me some tika-taka vs. USA USA chants. 🙂

  30. May 12, 2011

    This whole thing is a mess and quite frankly a waste of time. There IS NO EVIDENCE of anything either way. NONE. That video doesnt prove anything, he could have been saying “mono, mono” or “mucho morro” or he could have said nothing and just moved his lips for fun. A lip reader can only suggest what is most likely and not 100% what was said.

    It is one mans word against anothers and since neither are criminals both men can claim the same level of credibility.

    UEFA have dug themselves a pretty big hole here because no matter what “verdict” they pass down they are not going to be able to provide evidence so its going to be a sort of judgement call.

    Only Sergio and Marcelo know what really happened and dont think anything UEFA do or say will change that.

  31. Helge
    May 12, 2011

    Someone is lying and there’s no reason to assume it’s Marcelo and not Busi. Marcelo too is innocent until proven guilty.

    So did I miss something? Has Marcelo ever said anything about this incident? I thought he didn’t publish a statement yet. If Marcelo never claimed that Busquets called him these words, he is not a lier.
    If Busquets is proven guilty, the club EE is the lier, right?

    • Eklavya
      May 12, 2011

      Read the post again, mate, apparently there was a statement from Marcelo.

  32. May 12, 2011

    Congratulations to the players, coaching staff and club on winning La Liga. I’ve been away and wanted to say that first.

    It is a tremendous achievement. To win 3 league championships in a row is very special and the team should be applauded for it.

    They look exhausted out on the pitch. Even yesterday they didn’t close out the game as they would when they are on form.

    But despite that – despite all of the injuries, thin squad and fatigue – they did it. It’s a wonderful accomplishment.

    Regarding Busquets – people often place far too much focus on video. There is no way that video is in any way conclusive one way or the other.

    Busquets has now made a public statement and it’s essentially an issue of what he is saying and what Marcelo is saying.

    Ultimately if they disagree on what was said the matter will still be inconclusive.

    It’s very possible that Marcelo misheard what Busquets said. It doesn’t have to be one of the them is “lying.”

    We’re not going to know definitively.

    Busquets deserves the benefit of the doubt. He should not simply be painted as guilty based on RM releasing a video that they have preinterpreted on their web site.

    Were this true and proven it would be an extremely serious and awful matter. Busquets would deserve whatever punishment UEFA and the club would dole out.

    But it’s very unlikely that any definitive evidence can be brought forth to prove Busquets made a racial slur. There’s just no way to know. And to deem someone guilty of an offense this serious there needs to be either definitive evidence or an extensive body of contextual evidence pointing in that direction.

    Neither one is likely to be the case here given that Busquets has denied the charge and provided a completely plausible explanation for what he was saying.

    • May 12, 2011

      Exactly. All this talk of “Lets wait till we know if he is guilty” is pointless. We will never know. You either believe he said it or you dont. Nobody is going to be able to prove it either way.

      It is perfectly feasible that Marcelo misheard him. In a stadium packed to the rafters with close to 100,000 screaming fans it seems pretty likely that somebody muttering some words might be misheard. Its not like he yelled it (whatever it was) at the top of his voice.

    • Ian
      May 12, 2011

      It’s also possible he didn’t hear Busi at all, or that he DID hear Busi say “mucho morro.” Racist acts are serious matters that can easily ruin reps, and if EE had basis I think they would have gone for it ASAP.

      No statement came before The Video. To me he is innocent until proven guilty.

  33. Judas Pissed
    May 12, 2011

    Stick by the club & the player. Moanrinho has got what he wanted – he has got the whole world calling us cheats, liars & racists – & has now disappeared back into his hole. He is a prize prick & so are all the haters – especially here in England where every Tom Dick & Harry is suddenly a Barca hating expert…

    • Barcaleya
      May 12, 2011


      When all the world has been throwing sticks and stones at our players – we should be the last one to do so. We should be the last ones to be swayed by unclear evidence and innuendos.

      If we, as fans, don’t even stand by our own players – why would someone who isn’t a fan believe in us and rule in our favor? After all – everyone, including the fans, already believe that our player is guilty, right?

    • May 12, 2011

      YES. THIS. EXACTLY. I find it shocking how many Barca fans are so quick to believe the accusations of a club that would do ANYTHING to try and one up us.

      Stick by your player and your club untill somebody can prove 100% that you should do otherwise.

  34. Barcaleya
    May 12, 2011

    IF Busi is found NOT guilty and we prove that this is nothing but a smear campaign by EE – all most all of you ask for is an apology? Really?!

    When after that video, everyone was too easily persuaded of Busi’s culpability, how most everyone here started hating him and wanting to throw him to the dogs, how suspension is not enough as people wanted him kicked out of the team forever, etc., etc – AFTER ALL THAT if he is proven innocent all Busi merits is an apology?

    • May 12, 2011

      Nobody will be able to prove his innocence or his guilt. That is the point of this. Madrid dont want an outcome, they want this to drag on for as long as possible so that nobody is talking about the best team in the history of the game and everyone is talking about Busi the racist and Barca the cheaters. The saddest part is that not only is it working, but Barca fans are feeding the flames!

  35. blitzen
    May 12, 2011

    Not trying to hijack the thread or anything, but I plucked this out of soccermomof4’s post:

    One other thing is certain. VdB has even more of a headache to deal with now. Heck, if I were he, I wouldn’t call up a single EE or Barca player for the next NT game (no offense if you have tickets for those).

    Because it’s something I have been thinking about. If you have to pick 11 players for the seleccion who are not with either Barca or RM, who would you play? Pick only from players that VdB has called up in the last year since the World Cup. This is what I get:

    Pepe Reina
    ? – Marchena – ? – Capdevila
    Fabregas – Javi Martinez – Nacho Monreal
    Cazorla – Llorente – Silva

    As you can see, I’m missing a RB and a CB. Any ideas?

    I’d love to play Mata instead of Monreal, but he is usually a winger. Can he play midfield?

    • Ryan
      May 12, 2011

      Poor Torres can’t even get in when the big 2 are excluded. Oh for the 2008 el Niño to return! Negredo is racking up the goals, and with Llorente out of form, I’d put him in there ahead of the big Basque.

      Navas is injured I believe, but he’d definitely be in there. Cazorla and Silva are a bit too similar I think.

      What about Borja Valero over Nacho?

      I haven’t really seen too many new defenders tested out for Spain. There was one guy in the most recent Euro qualifier; I think he’s plays for Bilbao.

      • blitzen
        May 12, 2011

        Yeah, I left Navas out because he’s been out most of this season with injuries. I would play Mata instead of Cazorla, maybe.

        Has Valero been called up by VdB recently? I can’t recall.

        Definitely no Torres until he gets his shooting boots back.

    • Diego
      May 12, 2011

      Monreal is a LB so you can put him instead of Capdevila and use Mata.

      Your first ? is Iraola, Bilbao’s RB.

      Your 2nd ? could be Mikel San Jose, Gurpeggi, Albelda, Botia or even Capedvila as CB.

    • zerospeak
      May 12, 2011

      You could have Azpilicueta or Iraiola at RB.

      CB options – San Jose (Bilbao) and Dominguez (Atleti. Other options are David Navarro (Valencia), Alexis (Sevilla), Ramis (Mallorca).

      No outstanding candidates for central defense though.

  36. May 12, 2011

    Well, I think a lot of people weren’t fans of Busquets before the allegations.

    My view is that either one side or the other is a lying sack of crap. As usual in “he said, he said” swearing matches. “I swear he said it!” “I swear I didn’t!” And so it goes.

    In many ways it’s sad that a great, storied, historic rivalry has been reduced to the equivalent of two children spitting on each other in the playground. Pointless and disgusting.

    Did someone hear/mishear something? As Hilal notes, entirely possible. But if there’s any doubt, you just don’t make those kinds of allegations, unless you are as disgustingly nefarious as many make you out to be.

    We will be left not knowing what the hell TO think. Marcelo/EE will say one thing, Busquets/Barca will say another. Someone else raised the point of context, that perhaps Marcelo was calling Busquets a diver at which the “You have a lot of nerve” response would have been right and appropriate.

    Or not.


    Perhaps the only good thing to come out of this is some frank, honest discussions about a topic that isn’t going to ever go away in this beautiful game of ours. Is that consolation? No, but it’s something.

  37. Dani_el
    May 12, 2011


    Toni Freixa made clear that “they still haven’t opened a disciplinary record and UEFA is NOT who asks for Busquets to be punished. There’s a person, an inspector (called Jean Samuel Leuba), that a few weeks ago, presented a report asking Iniesta to be punished, saying that he (iniesta) intentionally provoked a yellow card against Shaktar(and he wasn’t even there, and that’s why UEFA didn’t care about that, because and inspector has to be ON SITE, to present opinions). Now this same guy takes the complaint presented by Real Madrid with a video (because he wasn’t in site to give an informed opinion) and accompanied by an expert report. And in those he bases his petition to UEFA.”

    It seems clear to me that this guy wants to harm the club, and he’s doing it with premeditation, it’s the second time he does it, maybe he’s in EE’s payroll, it wouldn’t be a surprise those cases of corruption in UEFA nor in EE. I have proof they paid journalists in the 60’s, given by Ruben Uria…This is too important to be left out, I am hoping to read your thoughts about this.

    • Vj
      May 12, 2011

      Also, the date – just after we won La Liga, not a day before, not after. If they can hire refs (or ex-refs) they can easily hire this guy..

    • Sigh. I wouldn’t be surprised. They hire former refs, don’t they? At the end of all this hubbub, if this is proven false, we really need to take EE and everyone involved in this smear campaign to court.

      Muchisimo gracias por eso, Dani_el! Keep it up because I’m too lazy to find this stuff !! 😀

      • Dani_el
        May 12, 2011

        I’ll try to find this stuff to share with you guys, just bear with me with the translation 😀

  38. Diego
    May 12, 2011

    Marcelo : You said it.

    Busq : No, I didn’t.

    EE : We have a silent video that back us up.

    Barca : Ha ! Busq could be saying Moko for all we know.

    The R and the N is pronounced by the tongue inside the mouth which can’t be seen in the video.

    Fun Fact : Monkey in Arabic Language isn’t racist or an insult, It’s something good, It means that you’re flexible and athletic.

  39. Josep
    May 12, 2011

    can we go back to talking about Alexis Sanchez and my Football Manager saves?

    so I’m about to start my first EPL season with QPR..

    • Josep
      May 12, 2011

      Real Madrid just signed Ganso for 95m and are paying him 325k/week

  40. Moose
    May 12, 2011

    Why does either side have to be lying?

    Busquets could have said ‘mucho murro’

    Marcelo, who is angry at Busquets for diving and sensitive to racism in Spain, heard ‘mono, mono’.

    The issue to me is the way Madrid & Marcelo went about the accusation. If they were truly offended, they did not go to Barcelona or Busquets to open a dialogue about it. They used their tabloid media to pronounce guilt on Busquets from the start.

    Could they not have asked Busquets if he truly said it? Could it not have been a misunderstanding? In the end of all this, if there’s no conclusive evidence, the only person’s name that’s going to be dragged through the mud is Busquets & Barcelona. Marcelo & Madrid gets off scot-free with a libelous accusation. How fucking insidious is that?

    And Kxevin, get off your soapbox already. Your personal tirade against the evils of racism is completely condescending. This whole thing is becoming a witch hunt so you can point your fingers are the evils of the world and thump your chest that you stood up against it, even at the expense of going against ‘your favourite club’.

    Racism is far too important and sensitive a subject for everyone to presume guilt on Busquets simply because the club didn’t respond to a slanderous accusation. It belittles the real racism that’s experienced all over the world where matters of life and death are involved.

    • I agree with the gist of what you’re saying, Moose, but the personal attack against Kxevin really takes the lustre off it. There’s no need for that. This is a subject he feels strongly about, having experienced it throughout his life.

      I’m not Kxevin, and as such I can’t know for sure what he thinks, but I personally don’t think Kxevin is upset that Busi is accused of calling Marcelo a monkey as much as Barca’s silence on the issue. If he could stop what he feels until the case is over, he would, but he can’t, because this is a sensitive issue and once you feel strongly about something, you can’t help but feel saddened that something you’ve battled against your whole life is potentially part of something you love and thought was better. As a soci, he wanted answers from the CLUB. Whether Busi is guilty or not is not the bigger issue for him — it’s the club taking responsibility and telling the fans, so this isn’t wept under the carpet under the pretense of “we won and now it’s over”

      Now, do I think that Barca needs to come out and say something? Heck no. Do I think that people are jumping on Busi, talking about it as if he’s already guilty, despite claiming innocent until proven guilty? Heck yes. Do I need to belittle someone’s feelings and tell them they are being overtly dramatic for feeling so strongly about an issue that it is potentially affecting something else they love? No. People can feel what they like — and it’s not like they can’t stop it either.

      This space is unique in that we can talk about very sensitive issues civilly and honestly without personal attacks or condescending remarks. Let’s keep it that way, please.

      • Moose
        May 12, 2011

        Kxevin has led the attack on Busquets most vehemently on this site and followed along with the likes of Sid Lowe to presume guilt just because Barca didn’t make an ‘official response’ to their personal outrages.

        I too have experienced a lot of racism throughout my life. What bothered me was that instead of looking at things objectively Kxevin has been approaching it like a personal crusade. The person most offended by this racism row wasn’t Abidal, Keita, Marcelo’s fellow countryman Dani Alves. It was Kxevin from TotalBarca. That bothers me.

        If racism is truly repugnant, then surely being accused of falsely racism must be as deplorable. To then presume guilt because you decided the club took a stance to hide racism because they didn’t want to respond? That’s outrageous. That’s precisely what they decided to do.

        • May 12, 2011

          You’re mischaracterizing his position on this and turning into a straw man to beat on.

          He wasn’t “attacking” anyone. He was looking for transparency which this entire situation has needed from the start.

          • Moose
            May 12, 2011

            I misspoke when I said Kxevin from TotalBarca. I read quite a few of these blogs and in the end they all meld into one. Obviously I mean this blog.

            But he didn’t just want transparency. He wanted the club to respond, to a random insinuation made through the tabloid media. If the club didn’t respond then he presumed it was an admission of guilt. If the club didn’t respond then somehow the club was sweeping things under the rug or allowing racism to happen. As if this one act changes the club’s stance on racism. That was his position. It’s bullshit. I called it. The club’s been pretty clear on its stance on racism.

        • Vj
          May 12, 2011

          He clearly said he wanted the club to respond:

          “For the record, I don’t really give a crap what Busquets did or didn’t say. The video is there for people to watch. Different people watch the same video and reach different conclusions.
          At this point, at this crucial time, it is what the club says that is most important in this matter.”


          And no, it wasn’t Kxevin from TotalBarca 😛

        • Xingxian
          May 12, 2011

          I hope that you will be open-minded and consider what Kxevin is saying rather than interpret his words as you have.

          • Moose
            May 12, 2011

            The damage has been done. It doesn’t matter if Busquets is innocent or guilty. It doesn’t matter if the club responds with a denial or not. What matters is the dialogue that was started which should never have been started. The insinuation is there now, that Barca are a racist club, that Busquets is a racism, or at the very least, a cheat. And it’s more likely he’s a racist too if he’s a cheat.

            If we’re talking about the responsibility of the club, what about the responsibility of the fans? Why weren’t we defending Busquets from the start? Why did every response to this incident have to be, “if it’s true, then … let’s string him up” Does that really need to be said? Who here doesn’t understand the gravity of racism? Did we all have to be talked down to and explained exactly why racism is such a big deal?

  41. I wonder what sid lowe will say now! This statement by the player proves that he totaly based his article on false evidence and at no point did pep admit busi’s racist behavior! He should remove it!

    • May 12, 2011

      He will not remove it. But he will just write a light critical post against Real Madrid or an exaggerated praise for Barcelona, begging for some Real Madrid fans rants so he make a point “Fans of both teams criticize me”=> I am objective 🙂

      • lovelymofo
        May 12, 2011

        You mean kind of like the article he wrote about Barça being better than the Dream Team for the Guardian? You’ve got his number!

      • Moose
        May 12, 2011

        Sid Lowe is seriously a joke.

        His idea of objectivity is exactly as you say. If I criticize both sides equally, then I’m objective!

        It’s the same thing with a lot of misinformed fans. If both teams get 10 fouls, 3 yellows, 1 red card, then the referee is fair! If not the the referee must be favoring a team.

        He actually wrote “Oh, look, Madrid gets more penalties,” they scream in Barcelona, without stopping to ask whether that’s because Madrid get fouled in the area more often”

        That’s like saying Barcelona score more goals because the ball crosses the line more often for Barcelona. The question is, why do Madrid get more penalties than Barcelona? Considering: 1. Barca have more possession than any other team 2. Get fouled more than any other team in La Liga.

        Lowe attempts to paint both sides (Madrid & Barca, Madrid Media vs Barca Media) as equals using completely flawed logic.

    • Diego
      May 12, 2011

      ^ This.

      I’ll remain silent till the verdict. Busq can be judged guilty and he’s truly Innocent, Why would a word from UEFA change what we think of our players.

      I’m believing Busq.

    • Ian
      May 12, 2011

      Of the few, I’m with you. Without dismissing the possibilities, I remain to have faith in Busi and Barça on the steps to be taken.

  42. Lev
    May 12, 2011

    I too believe he is innocent. If he really did call Marcelo a mono we would have heard about it before this video turned up.

  43. Diego
    May 12, 2011

    After Busi’s statement, I decided to believe him no matter what the verdict is.

  44. By the by, Barcaleya is my unofficial mouthpiece. I swear it’s not me posting under her name! 😛

    Absolutely said everything I thought of but was too lazy to type, and much more eloquently than I ever could. Just awesome.

    • Barcaleya
      May 12, 2011

      Why, Kari – thank you, my dear!!! You flatter me too much. But you know what they say – GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE 😀

      I also think that everyone here has been so eloquent in putting forth their thoughts and argument. Very impressed at the level of discussion…

      ..even when I have been disappointed in the tone with regard to the Busi issue. I think I have been very clear with my stance from all my previous posts.

      At this point, what comes to my mind is this: With fans like these, who needs enemies?

  45. ooga aga
    May 12, 2011

    i dunno, i just watched the video for the first time, so ill chime in, it did not look like he said mucho morro. but i cant read lips so whatever.

  46. Nav
    May 12, 2011

    What is this non-sense regarding lip-reading being official evidence? Seriously, did the world just regress 200 years overnight?!

    • Vj
      May 12, 2011

      Yup, the series of clasicos did that and more!

  47. May 12, 2011

    Well I guess this means Masch could be getting the DM start. Bad for our posession, great for our defense.

    • Humphrey Bogart
      May 12, 2011

      He is at least there, so it is possible.

      What really give me the chills with this story, that I would not hesitate one moment to believe that the EE did invent these things, that is what 4 clasicos can do to a sane person

      • jordi™
        May 12, 2011

        Embarrassingly enough that email account has been hacked for the past two weeks, where do I go to update with my new one

        • You go to your profile (if you still have that dark grey bar, you can access it from there — it says “edit my profile”) and put in your new email.

          In any case, I’ll just relay the gist of what I emailed you:

          I’m planning to do a scouting report on the B team. You’ve been recommended by many (read: Jnice) as someone who knows a lot about the B team, so I was wondering if you wanted to join my Dream Team (heheheh, that rhymed). No pressure or anything. If you don’t have time, it’s aite. Just want to know if you’re interested.

  48. tutomate
    May 12, 2011

    The EE is soooooooo goooood of the pitch. Have us turning on each other. I personally am in the innocent group. When I look at the context of it all it is a lot easier.
    1. Barcelona beat EE 5-0
    2. COPE says someone from Real Madrid told them that they think Barca’s players are doping.
    3. Barcelona sues COPE
    4. Mourinho Rants about a UEFA+Unicef+Villar+Refs International conspiracy.
    5. Barcelona File complaint. EE say they are behind their coach.
    6. EE file complaint against Barcelona for Unsporting conduct.
    7. Uefa denies it.
    8. EE Put a video on their website of Busquets and Pedro exagerating.
    9. FCB puts a video of EE players kicking FCB players.
    10. Barca win the league.
    10b. EE postpones CDR tour to the day Barcelona wins La Liga.
    11. EE files a complaint with UEFA against Busquets.

    I disagree (respecfully) with some of the things said by some Cules in this space. But there is no need to turn on each other.
    Es lo que quiere la central lechera.

    • tutomate
      May 12, 2011

      Innocent until an official body says he is guilty, is what I meant.

      • Nav
        May 12, 2011

        Watch last week’s Revista De la Liga, and one of the commentators mentions how it’s Mourinho’s personal aim to destroy Barcelona. He was saying that Mou saw how Barca are applauded even by the opposing fans and realised he needed to destroy that.

        As Pep said, Mou is the fucking man off the field. The most depressing thing about this whole thing is how it’s turned many Barca fans against the club.

        Jose Mourinho is a cancer for the sport.

        • Vj
          May 12, 2011

          Hey, those who believe Mou over the the club are better off not supporting the club and are bandwagoners to be frank.

          Everyone is saying how tough this season’s La Liga was. Well next one is set to be even tougher. Hope we’re motivated well enough to rub Mou’s and with him the EE’s faces in the dirt again..

  49. justsayin
    May 12, 2011

    I don’t know what’s worse, racism or over 100 posts of people finding someone guilty without a fair trial. Both are disgusting, in my opinion. But, 100+ “I think Busquets might be guilty because of this or that” posts smacks even a bit uglier because these people proclaim to be intelligent as to never stoop to making a racist comment. If you are as smart as you proclaim, there should be no further posts convicting a man who has not had a chance to fairly defend himself, to put down Busquets at this point in time flies in the face of being fair, tolerant and intelligent.

  50. Vj
    May 12, 2011

    @danwalkerbbc said:

    Here is the long-awaited #ComputerXI. Team name: Motherbordeaux or Printer Milan.

    Manager: Qwerty Vogts.

    Full squad: Edwindows Van Der Sar, Martin Fulopy Disc, Jonathan Spectrum, Snes Brown, Marouane Chamacbook, Emile Hashkey, Rory Delaptop, Giovanni MS Dos Santos, Wii Sung Park, Jan Vennegoor of Hyperlink, Peter Modemwingie, Shift Key Kuqi, Abdoulaye Wi Faye, Demba Space Ba, Lewis McGoogle, Leroy Ctrl Alt DeLita, Macro Van Basten, Dell Piero, Atari Litmanen, Jaap Spam & MSN Boyce. Sterling effort all. FirstXI to follow.

  51. This whole episode is very saddening. Racism is intolerable. And accusing a person of racism with some amateur lip-reading based speculation when he might truly be innocent is equally intolerable. This holds true for any player in any club. It’s not even about Busi or Barca anymore.

    Maybe Busi is innocent. Maybe he’s not. There is no way to tell. And all that remains is the doubt that maybe he did say it, which is exactly what RM wants I bet. I mean, RM didn’t even react before this video came out first. It’s almost like they looked at the video like everyone else and decided this is what Busi must be saying.

    Why did Busi cover his mouth? Why did Busi’s left ear wiggle? Who the heck knows? If RM has definitive proof, we’ll know about it soon enough, but I really doubt it. If they’re doing this out of vindictiveness, there’s really no further low to sink to.

    Because the damage is done. Why I type “busq” into google, you know what it auto-suggests. I’m not going to add an “If Busi said it” line, he says he didn’t, and it’s good enough for me.

    • Uh-huh.

      I find the lack of support for Busi disappointing and pretty depressing TBH. It’s like everyone wants Busi to be guilty and are already talking about how severe his penalty should be. So unfair. 🙁 We’re the fans of the club; we don’t find ways to doubt the player but look for the many reasons we shouldn’t.

      Please don’t take the innocent until proven stance unless you mean it. Starting a sentense with “It’s not proven he said it, so I’m in the innocent camp but if he said it…” and then going on to lambaste him is not right. Just say you think he’s guilty!

      • Exactly! And this is more a rant against twitter space today, but if you want the club to come out and issue a statement, and then you don’t believe it anyway, then what’s the whole freaking point?

        You think Busi is morally suspect? Fine. (Because, you know, he’s the only player in the universe who dives, and that somehow translates to being capable of something as low as racism). If you think Barca will officially make a statement protecting a guilty player in a racism row, then you’re questioning the club’s integrity. And that’s not fine at all.

        It has only changed the “If Busi said it…” to “If Busi is lying about not having said it…” Switching off twitter today, the next day after Barca are Liga champions. Looks like RM is successful in more ways than one.

        • BarcaGirl_Indo
          May 12, 2011

          and this is more a rant against twitter space today, but if you want the club to come out and issue a statement, and then you don’t believe it anyway, then what’s the whole freaking point?

          ^this…. like you, this is more against twitter space…
          why would you want a statement from the club if after the club made one, you don’t believe it?
          pointless… you just want Busquets to be severely punished, because you believe in Evil Empire, more than you believe our own club…


  52. BarcaGirl_Indo
    May 12, 2011

    1. Busi is lying… and the club is helping him, they’re lying too… besides, EE don’t have any proof other than a video without audio… that is not a proof… so why not denies it, right?

    2. Marcelo and EE are lying… why not? heck, they are Evil Empire, they hate us, they want to take us down, on and off the pitch… with every way possible…

    3. both are innocent… Busi said mucho morro, but Marcelo misheared it with “mono, mono”… no one is guilty… El Clasico make people lose their sanity…

    everyone can choose which story they believe in…
    and maybe we will never know the truth…

    I prefer to believe no.3… it’s better that way for me… Busi is my player, our beloved club’s player… until EE has a legitimate proof, I’ll stay on Busi’side…

  53. jordi™
    May 12, 2011

    So when are the avatars coming back? Made a cool one not involving pique 😀

    • BarcaGirl_Indo
      May 12, 2011

      you made it?

      I still want to use my Puyi – Malena couple pic… 😀

  54. nzm
    May 12, 2011

    OT, but good info for those who want to watch the street parade and Camp Nou celebrations tomorrow (Friday) night, Barcelona time.

    The parade kicks off at 7:30pm CET, followed by wild times at Camp Nou.

    Catalunya TV (TV3) will be broadcasting live and via its website for free: http://www.tv3.cat/3alacarta/#/directes/TV3

    More details and route parade here: http://www.fcbarcelona.com/web/catala/noticies/futbol/temporada10-11/05/12/n110512117420.html

    As I write, this has not yet been translated into English on the FCB site, but may appear later.

  55. Xingxian
    May 12, 2011

    I’m not going to say I know the truth for sure, but after reading SoccerMom’s argument a while back if I ABSOLUTELY had to pick a side and could not say “I don’t know for sure” I think I’d believe that Busquets deliberately used a racial slur to rile up Marcelo. Which I’ll admit didn’t really bother me at first until Kxevin wrote about it. Since then I’ve had a decidedly less unguarded attitude towards Busquets.

    Not that I’d assume he’s a horrible person if I met him on the street. I watch the dude play soccer, not have heart-to-heart chats with him on a daily basis.

    • BarcaGirl_Indo
      May 12, 2011

      then for you, his status is “guilty until proven innocent”…

      but for me, he is innocent until proven guilty… 🙂

      • Xingxian
        May 12, 2011

        For me, my status is “I have my own opinions, which could very possibly be wrong and I want to keep that in mind”.

        I don’t really think he’s innocent. I don’t really think he’s guilty.

        I DO think my team just won la Liga for the third time in a row.

  56. soccermomof4
    May 12, 2011

    Oh my goodness, I just had to leave my English Period Drama vacation to issue a clarification because I just had a thought that what I said may be misconstrued. By finding a different hobby until Monday I didn’t mean not supporting the team until Monday. I’ll be cheering this weekend. I’ll just not be engaging in the endless speculations and I’ll be staying off soccer sites.

    One last thought-innocent until proven guilty does NOT mean guilty unless proven innocent.

    • BarcaGirl_Indo
      May 12, 2011

      “guilty until proven innocent”, it reminds me of Witch Hunt stories from Middle Ages…

      Busquets is a “witch”…

  57. It’s like some people are begging me to lay down the law, like I need to post what “innocent until proven guilty” means.

    The official stance on this blog IS NOT guilty until proven innocent; in fact there is no official stance period. It’s only speculation and opinions at this point. The contrarian in me wants another voice for the, IMO, true side. Busi’s rep is making everything distorted.

    • soccermomof4
      May 12, 2011

      The above wasn’t directed at you or the blog, Kari. I hadn’t really read the comments but the one above mine provoked the statement out of me (No offense intended, Xingxian, and I’m not trying to sound harsh, but we really do need to wait for all the facts before passing judgement, and we may never get them).

    • blitzen
      May 12, 2011

      ^ Agreed.

      I have already gone on record that I believe the video was manipulated. Slowing it down and adding “helpful” subtitles was only intended to push people to see what they were meant to. I wish the club had made a public statement earlier, but I understand why they didn’t. Busquets has made himself an easy target, and that’s unfortunate, because he is actually a very intelligent and thoughtful person. If the club is backing him then I have no reason to disbelieve his statement. For me, Busquets gets the benefit of the doubt, and my support.

      • Nav
        May 12, 2011

        What do you mean manipulated? As in frames removed? Hmmm, difficult to see how. Or do you mean suggestive? I definitely think it’s suggestive, but hey I’m not a professional lip-reader (fucking LOL) so what do I know.

        • blitzen
          May 12, 2011

          I think I was pretty clear, Nav. Parts of the video were slowed down to exaggerate the “mo” part of the mouth movement, and the subtitles were added. That in itself is manipulative. People will see what they are told to. Whatever Busquets actually said or did not say, whoever disseminated this video had an obvious agenda and it cannot be taken at face value.

          • Nav
            May 12, 2011

            I’m being pedantic here but slowing down is not manipulating the video — manipulating would be adding things or taking things out, slowing down just means you’re seeing things in a lower FPS count. The reason I think it’s important is because one is outright slander and you could be sued for it (taking frames out/adding things), whereas the other is just despicable but fairly expected.

            And I agree with you, after all the hoopla this has caused I’m siding with Busi until he’s proven guilty.

          • Ryan
            May 12, 2011

            I think you’re just arguing semantics here Nav – by slowing down the frame rate the video has indeed been modified. A non-modified video would just be the raw footage of the event, no?

            We should be siding with Busi, or anyone who is ever convicted of doing something, as innocent until proven guilty. Hoopla or no!

  58. BarcaGirl_Indo
    May 12, 2011

    this case reminded me about an unsolved discussion which occurred in Indonesian forum…

    in that football forum, lots of rival fans insult Rooney as a monkey, because they hate him, and they think he looks like monkey…
    they called him Roonyet (monyet = monkey is Indonesian language)… no one accused them to be racist… no one got banned/punishment…

    but when a Milan fan called Eto’o a monkey, he got banned, permanently…
    reason = made a racist comment…

    there’s a double standard in this world…

  59. justsayin
    May 12, 2011

    Kxevin – As co-owner/writer of this blog and as someone who has faced racism, I’m disappointed that you have not put a stop to this witch hunt. Where’s the loyalty? You claim to love this club, a club that has shown all the signs of actively condemning racism and yet a accusation from a rival team known for their dirty tactics has you using these boards to continually question Busquets with NO PROOF! Because you are admired on these boards for your insightful articles, you have convinced most posters that Busquets is guilty or at the very least suspect. I’m disappointed in you and in this blog because I thought you were a different kind of person, one who would hold off judgement and stand up for those being unfairly prosecuted. I’ve got to get over admiring people as I’m always disappointed.

    • ooga aga
      May 12, 2011

      wow…dont know what to say….i support kxevin….but not that there needs to be “sides” in this discussion or that it is a question of “loyalty”…my goodness…..it’s just a club de football, a game with a ball… just because people here think its possible that busquets said “mono” doesnt mean they are presuming guilty. of course, innocent before proven guilty …still, he *mighta* said it. lets see what the committee says. can we leave it at that? new thread! and lay off of kxevin!

      • Ryan
        May 12, 2011

        Hmmm… not sure what to take of you saying “it’s just a club de footbal.” That’s pretty much the exact opposite of the team’s motto!

  60. blitzen
    May 12, 2011

    On an actual football-related note, I would like to point out to the Villa-haters that on two occasions in yesterday’s game, when Messi was on one of his brilliant mazy, defense-beating runs, Villa was standing there ONSIDE and completely unmarked, and if Messi had passed to him he may very well have had a goal or two. Don’t believe me? Watch:


    Messi didn’t score, if you didn’t know that already.

    Also, Messi’s haircut looked great. 🙂

    • Nik
      May 12, 2011

      I can’t wait to see Villa play after a summer of rest + full preseason with us. I expected little from Villa this season, but next season is a different story.

      • Nav
        May 12, 2011

        Oh hell yes. I’m so excited to see our boys play next season. I think Villa will do a lot better than he has, and I think Messi and the overall system will improve too. I know a lot of people are saying we don’t razzle and dazzle anymore — but I’m glad. I think it shows a lot of maturity from our side. We can’t make it through a season where we play 60 odd games and try to beat everyone 5-0, it’s just not going to happen. I’m glad that we’re doing what we need to do to win, and turning on the style when it matters. It’s much more tactically astute and sustainable.

        Bring on next season and smashing Mou and EE’s again.

        • Nik
          May 12, 2011

          I hope we smash, but will settle for edging them as well. 🙂

  61. BarcaGirl_Indo
    May 12, 2011

    I saw a comment from totalbarca

    Meanwhile, whe still don’t know what arbeloa said to keita.
    And our president says nothing about it.

    what did I miss? when?
    anyone knows?

    • Ian
      May 12, 2011

      Pinto got a red card at half-time for reacting to something Arbeloa said. Racist slur pointed at latter.

      • May 12, 2011

        Again, we don’t know that what Arbeloa said was racist. Whatever it was sparked quite a reaction from Keita, who is preternaturally calm and collected at almost all times.

        Just as Busquets is innocent because nobody knows what was said, so is Arbeloa.

    • Ryan
      May 12, 2011

      I think I’m more impressed with his run from 6:20 to 6:25. He completely owned that Clasico!

  62. Nav
    May 12, 2011

    Man, I wish we were celebrating our win here instead of this shit 🙁

    • Barcaleya
      May 12, 2011


      You know that everyone’s laughing at us, right? And people in the other blogs not only are saying that our team and our players are racist, cheaters, divers BUT that WE, the fans, in our sites, believe so.

      Isn’t that utterly fantastic??!!

      All these – when we should be celebrating! It was such a difficult season. The team had to overcome many injuries and multiple clasicos.

      Only to be sunk by innuendos from a scheming club and the lack of faith of its own fans. Sad.

  63. jsfrancis
    May 12, 2011

    Looking at the case without bias, Occam’s razor suggests Busquets called Marcelo a monkey.

    • Nav
      May 12, 2011

      Occam’s Razor suggests no such thing. Occam’s razor is a statistical and extremely informal tool applied to situations to come to a conclusion with minimal assumptions. It has nothing to do with situations where one party alleges something about the other.

      Don’t make shit up.

      • jsfrancis
        May 12, 2011

        You’re obviously correct; I became caught up in the discussions above claiming it was a plot by Madrid/Mourinho etc, and in my current sleep-deprived state glossed over the obvious fact that it’s simply a dispute over what was said. My apologies – I had no bad intentions.

  64. Nik
    May 12, 2011

    What sucks is that there will be no resolution to this issue. There’s no real way EE can “prove” (if it in fact happened) Busi used a racial epithet unless Busi admits to it. And considering he has so far claimed otherwise, I don’t see it happening. Therefore, those who believe Busi is guilty will say he’s guilty, and those who want to say Busi is innocent will say innocent, even after the UEFA “investigation”.

    Sad that such ambiguity is leading to discord amongst us cules.

    • Nav
      May 12, 2011

      Basically, Mou and EE won. We won the title but we’re still cheating diving bastards.

      Le sigh. What makes it worse is I have no one to celebrate with but this blog and the mood here is glum 😛

  65. Ian
    May 12, 2011

    The mentality here is, you don’t “admit” anything unless you succumb to the accusation. “Busi does not admit anything unless he says he did it.”

    Busi denying it doesn’t mean he didn’t do it. But does that mean when Busi denies it, automatically he’s not telling the truth? No.

    Which is why, to me, he is innocent until proven guilty.

  66. Xingxian
    May 12, 2011

    I’d like to put forth right here that, for better or worse, I care more about the fact that we won La Liga than this whole affair. I don’t think this affair should be swept under the rug but if people are getting the impression that FCB fans are more concerned with this than with a third Liga victory in a row I’ll speak for myself and say that I have more emotional investment in our Liga victory.

    That being said I want to show respect for the opinions of those who do not feel the same.

  67. May 12, 2011

    A few things, as usual:

    Moose: Again, read what I wrote. Not what you would like to read into what I wrote. Words can be art, but mine aren’t. They are black-and-white chronicles of an event, with no extra sauce or subtext. Find me anything where I said that I believed Busquets said such a thing. Find me any evidence of a witch hunt. Find it, and post it. And I can hurl down that gauntlet with complete confidence that such a thing doesn’t exist.

    Yes, I called for transparency. And will again when such an incident rears its head. And I call for that transparency precisely BECAUSE I love this club. So if there’s a soapbox, you’re standing on it, leaving no room for me.

    People pish-poshed the allegations as just another attempt by our bitter rivals to discredit the club. And the club was silent, when it shouldn’t have been. So yes, I called for transparency. Duh. Think about how we would feel if one of OUR players made the same accusation as Marcelo did.

    But he didn’t just want transparency. He wanted the club to respond, to a random insinuation made through the tabloid media. If the club didn’t respond then he presumed it was an admission of guilt. If the club didn’t respond then somehow the club was sweeping things under the rug or allowing racism to happen. As if this one act changes the club’s stance on racism. That was his position. It’s bullshit. I called it. The club’s been pretty clear on its stance on racism.

    It wasn’t “tabloid media.” Second, the club has NOT been “pretty clear” on its stance on racism. Sorry, but it hasn’t. Yes, it’s done the Respect stuff, and wears the patch on the sleeve, etc. Does a club need to take a stand against something so patently distasteful? Good question. Everyone cam make up their own mind about something.

    The worst part is that you are misinterpreting words that I have written, and twisting them to meet your own needs. Not cool. Words are there to be read, and understood. If you interpret them as something that they aren’t, that’s your own deal, and have fun with that.

    @justsayin: If you’re admiring me, that admiration is misguided, I can assure you. I will also repeat: There is no witch hunt. Other than the one that is going on in some peoples’ minds.

    Where is the loyalty? I’ll assume that’s a joke that just lacks an emoticon. Loyalty doesn’t mean blind faith or adherence to a “My club, right or wrong” notion. Loyalty means faithfulness, and that faithfulness means calling somebody out when required.

    Had Freixa come out and said “We’ve talked to the player and he said this,” right at the beginning, precisely the kind of transparency that I was calling for and that Rosell stamped on his presidential calling cards, NONE of this would be going on. The matter would be over and done with.

    That didn’t happen. So yes, I asked a question in the form of a blog post, a post that never assumed guilt, or even cared much what Busquets said and whether he did or didn’t say anything. If any commenter has any beliefs about Busquets, it came from their own readings of the situation. You only need to read comments after match reviews to understand how little attention and trust people place in anything I say.

    Finally, personal attacks come with my position in this space. I tend to think the view is best from the high road. But I will make the same suggestion to you that I have made to Moose. Go back and read what I wrote. Carefully. Then consider what you have written.

    I have said that I have doubt. Simple as that. So do many other people. When a priest has doubt, he doesn’t stop believing in God. He simply has questions that raise personal doubts about his continued willingness to serve. Doubt isn’t a presumption of guilt. Doubt IS at times an admission of qualms about a complex situation. Big difference.

    I have said, and will say again, that this is a crappy situation that smears both clubs. Again, transparency right at the beginning, would have resolved all those complexities. The club didn’t handle this correctly, in my opinion.

  68. can_we_go_Xalvies
    May 12, 2011

    Like I’ve said, we should speak of this fiasco after the final decisions from Uefa. No use talking about it now.

    Who cares what newspapers or websites say because they know little to nothing about the incident just like us.

  69. just listenin
    May 12, 2011

    This has been fascinating to watch play out, when it was announced today that UEFA would take it up, you could feel the fuse light on this conversation… I still feel like I did weeks ago, The timing is nearly evil, and somebody is getting exactly what they wanted out of the Clasicotastrophe. A diminished Barca reputation with a pinch of infighting and doubt.

    What I still find interesting is how much racism’s close cousin prejudice has been so alive and well toward Busquets. It’s been like – He’s kind of tall, and falls over too easy, clutching his face when he gets kicked in the shins – so he’s Racist! I like logic, and that leap in logic makes my head and neck spasm like Crackovia Messi every time I try to make it. The amount of pre-judging and the initial rush to judgment has been kind of surprising. It was and still is clearly a matter of if it is proven to be true, take serious action, if not forget about it – and in the meantime carry on. This likely goes into the category of history’s other great videos; the Zapruder film, that poking out of the Loch silhouette of the Nessie, Alien autopsy… there’s lots. No one gets a satisfactory answer on this, no matter how it plays out unless there is a movie moment where someone breaks down and admits something – which is not likely. These things are meant to keep people ruminating instead of focusing on more important matters – it sure feels like misdirection. We’ll see, but it’s probably already time to move on and let the chips fall, and this in no way minimizes the nature of the accusation. It’s just Messy, with a Y.

    Oh, I almost forgot – we won the Liga by the way, wow! again! This team is awesome! huh? (Even Villa who, just because strikers often struggle in the Barca system unless they are of the incredibly agile, positionally visionary, master class dribbling play-makers who actually can shoot category, has been a real asset to the team, so Salud to El Guaje on his first Liga championship, class act, well deserved…he’s taken a lot of guff this season)

  70. 145culegirl
    May 13, 2011

    Madrid has,throughout the year,tried various methods to disintegrtae our club.Accusations like we paying the schedulers of Liga,UEFA and referees,downgrading our wins and the worse of all being the doping allegations.We,someow stumbled out of it and cleared our name.But it is not cleared in the minds of others.Calling us divers,cheaters and love child of FIFA and UEFA is a testament to those accusations.

    Now after those Clasicos,another new accusation being rascists have been surfaced.These,too have Madrid as the ones accusing and Barca as the victims.We have proved the above allegations somehow being wrong(Doping issue).But Racism issue is hard to solve because of lack of evidence.With Busquets denying the claims and Marcelo still not opening his mouth is making things difficult and making people jump to conclusions that THERE IS SOMEONE GUILTY and that being Barca because of their already a bit tarnished image.Same being applied to Busi.His already bad reputation is making him clear guilty.

    I’m trying to say that Madrid made many allegations to degrade us.Ironically,in that process they have degraded themselves.But that’s another issue.We,as supporters of the club should stand by Busi.I think there’s no chance of him saying that.He’s been at Barca from his childhood and I can say that he has been a part of Barca family for more years than Xavi himself(Though by a slight margin).So,we can’t expect a player who has Barca values instigated in him from his birth.

    I praying hard for Busi that he is proved innocent.If Madrid are proved guilty of accusing Barca without any rock-solid evidence,then IT should be the club that should be banned.Yes,BANNED from participating in UEFA competitions.It may be very harsh but Madrid got away with nothing more than a bit tarnished reputation.

    I apologise for my very long-ish post and hurt any of your sentiments(If its a Madrid fan in this forum).

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