Barca 3, Atletico xxxxxx 0, aka “Defenders broken, goalkeeper ravaged”

Pere Punti/El Mundo Deportivo

Leave to the irrepressible Ray Hudson to sum up this match far better than I, when he said, simply enough, “Defenders broken, goalkeeper ravaged,” because that was the kind of day that it was, a record-breaking, magical day at the Camp Nou, in the house of an amazing, amazing team.

–Messi scored a hat trick and took over the undisputed pichichi lead
–Our beloved club broke the Liga record for consecutive victories, with 16

It was also a crazy, crazy day that gave Guardiola plenty of ammunition for his pre-match talk. Presumably, all that he had to do was post a quartet of scores: Newcastle 4/Arsenal 4; Wolverhampton 2/United 1; Levante 1/Villarreal 0; Almeria 3/Espanyol 2. This a crazy, upset-rich day in world football that was, fittingly, made right by the best club in the world. We didn’t just beat Atletico, we owned them as yet another club concedes an early goal, but continues to play not to get hammered, as if victory is completely out of the question. No, we can’t just show up and win. But once we get that first goal, the psychological weight wreaks havoc with game plans and psyches.

And then there’s Messi.

You people with a sense of history will remember Michael Jordan. For those of you who don’t, he was the best player on the six-time champion Chicago Bulls. He was also the hardest worker, in practice and in games, a man who set an unassailable example for competitive drive. He wanted to win everything, everytime, everywhere. He has an analog in Leo Messi. People wonder why Messi always has extraordinary matches against Atletico, but you need look no further than Kun Aguero. As with Michael Jordan and his torching the Portland Trail Blazers with a blizzard of three-pointers, to show that Clyde Drexler wasn’t in his league, Messi wants to show everyone that while Aguero might be an excellent player, Messi is in his own league.

So he not only scored a goal, he then ran Aguero down to gangster the ball from him, the best player on the team working the hardest to make sure that his team won, doing whatever it took. And his goals were scored in all ways: things of beauty, moment of anticipation and ugly, hard-working tallies as he tumbled into the goal with the ball and a defender. Whatever it took.

This is also a cruel game in that Eric Abidal had an astounding match, though his personal standard is such that it wasn’t astounding as much as typical these days. It was a match that on any other day, would earn him Man of the Match, but not today. But when you watch this match again, spare some time to marvel at his performance. He was everywhere, on a day when Maxwell was a lazy spectator and Busquets off song, Abidal was Puyol with sideline to sideline pace, putting out fires everywhere on the pitch, always the impossible-to-beat last man. And even when he wasn’t Pique was.

Pere Punti/El Mundo Deportivo

Guardiola rolled out with his best available lineup: Valdes, Alves, Pique, Abidal, Maxwell, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Villa, Pedro!!. It was also a lineup that had Atletico cowed, as they chose to turn turtle, keeping 10 behind the ball and daring us to find a way to beat them. When people ask how good we are, it’s worth noting that this is a team battling for a European spot, with a coach in serious danger of being axed like Lizzie Borden, who decided to batten down the hatches and play turtle, with Aguero as the head that would poke out from time to time.

And Guardiola seemed to sense that this was going to be something of a challenge as he was off the bench early, cajoling, guiding, exhorting and making his charges understand that this was no ordinary team, despite its position in the standings. This was a chameleon of a side that could be as brilliant as it could be dimwittedly wasteful, a side that would require our full attention.

Or at least Messi’s attention. That first goal was so many things. Yes, it was brilliant, spectacular, whatever superlative you want to throw at it. It was also a goal that we’ve seen before, Messi running with the ball across the face of goal, leaving defenders in his wake, only to blast a shot past the keeper off the dead run.

But what I love is that is was also a goal made possible by his recent passing displays. In the past, it was simple: When Messi got the ball, you played him for the run and blocked all his shooting angles. Now, with Villa running free, Pedro!! as a threat and Alves loose in the box, there is just as much danger of Messi making the pass that kills you, because he doesn’t care how the goals are scored, only that his club wins. It’s that moment of hesitation that allows him the space to get that shot off. And to continue with the Michael Jordan analogies, when Jordan developed a fadeaway jump shot, people said that was when he officially became unplayable. Play him for the drive, he drops in the jumper. Play him tight to prevent the shot, and he does the baseline drive. So it is with Messi, who has become unplayable by a defense.

Worse still, because of the shooting ability, the keeper doesn’t know what to do as Messi crosses his T like a man-o-war. Play him for the against-the-grain shot and he goes near post. Play him for that, and he slingshots you. Hampering the decision making process is the fact that he shoots off the dead run, with minimal backswing for maximum velocity.

Give Alves credit for kick-starting that goal when he saw there was a space for Messi to run into, and just played the ball into that space. When this happens, it requires incredible defensive discipline not to chase the ball, to have one of those “Holycraphehastheballrightfreakingherenowwhat” moments, that make you chase the ball. When that happens, it’s all over. There were six defenders in the frame, and he destroyed them all, causing two to run into each other as he went across the grain to beat an exceptional keeper in David De Gea.

At 1-0, the match was effectively over, because our possession game was working in a way that accounted for the off days of Xavi and Busquets. Guardiola was right in that play such as that turned in today will get us beaten by better sides in the league, such as EE. There were wayward passes, loose possession and defensive glitches that allowed Atletico opportunities. But as usual, there was Abidal.

But even without an omnipresent defender, there is the mental defense that teams play against themselves, the voice that says “We aren’t going to get this ball very much today, so we have to do something with it right now, like.” And they rush. Shots aren’t placed as they should be, finishing isn’t as clinical as it would be against a lesser side, because the psychological pressure is intense. So you get a half chance that is parried away, and we resume the possession game, passing the ball around in simple-but-intricate little triangles of elegance, shapes that slide the ball toward the opposing goal until suddenly, a wolf is baying at the door.

So Messi runs, slips a deft, safe pass to Pedro!! who understands exactly what to do when he pauses to allow the defense a bit of time to panic, then feeds Villa who, almost in the same breath gives the ball to Messi. Now it’s here that things get a little complicated because Villa’s pass wasn’t the best, and the Atleti defender knew exactly what was going on, and was able to get in the way of the pass. But Messi seemingly accounted for the fact that because nobody in the world has a touch like a Barca player except another Barca player, the ball was going to come off of the defender. So he kept working and running, and that’s exactly what happened as Messi pounced on the loose touch and banged in his second goal of the match.

Fun Fact (thanks Phil Schoen for the call-out): Only 3 teams in European football have scored more goals than Messi/P!!/Villa.

Pursuant to that fact, because we’re scoring 3 or more goals per match these days, you knew there would be more to come, and you were right. And the goals became increasingly gritty as the match progressed, this third goal coming off a slightly too-hard Messi feed for Villa, whose first touch was a bit akimbo, resulting in a sliding effort that not only took out De Gea, but set up a battle between Messi and a defender and his touch, that was again, won by Messi, who bundled the ball into the net for his hat trick.

Pere Punti/El Mundo Deportivo

And that was that. Curiously, in a dominant display I found myself thinking of Fran Merida and Filipe Luis, and what they must be thinking. The former left our Masia for Arsenal, a la Cesc Fabregas, and the latter was thisclose to signing with us, only to be undone by a greedy club president, who was stunned when we in fact moved on to another player. Merida’s decision to leave La Masia was a sound one. He has yet to evince the world-class talent that would have assured him a spot with the club. Then again, who knows what a nurturing in the system would have accomplished? Filipe Luis would have certainly been our backup left back behind Abidal.

As it is, both were on the receiving end of a shellacking from a team that has played better matches, yet was still able to win at a canter. After the second goal today, I threw up my hands, slammed my pen down on the table and walked away from the television. I just found that goal profoundly absurd, because while some would say that it was luck that found the ball in Messi’s path, I think it was luck, anticipation and effort. When you combine those three things with immense talent, sometimes you just have to say “Lordy!” and walk away, shaking your head.

Team: 7. Been better, been worse. More than good enough today, but you could see the incidents that had Guardiola hurling admonitions like Zeusian thunderbolts, post-match. The acres of space on the right side for Atletico to play into was particularly worrisome.

Guardiola: 8. Strong, motivated lineup that took care of business. It’s easy to say that it’s a no-brainer to pencil Messi’s name onto the starters sheet, right? But he does an exceptional job at having the side ready to play almost every match, as it continues its march into history.

Valdes: 6. Didn’t have a lot to do. A couple of saves, a few wayward clearances and a huge thank you for Abidal and Pique, who helped him take another step toward another Zamora for stingiest keeper.

Alves: 7. Exceptional and frustrating, as I marveled at his passing, work rate, aggression and interplay with Messi, even as I wondered at times if we had a right back playing defense at all. His comments about staying with the club were encouraging. So do the deal and let’s continue the magic.

Pique: 6. The play on the line was immense, amazing and heartbreaking for Atletico, who did everything right (or so they thought) in a play that would be a goal against any other team on the planet. More defensive than offensive today, as he understood the Aguero danger, even as he got skinned on more than one occasion.

Abidal: 9. A couple moments of uncertainty kept him from perfection, but what a match, from a man who still makes me wonder why anyone had doubts about him as a central defender. I dare say that if we had an Abidal clone for the left back slot rather than Maxwell, Puyol might have to look in the rear-view mirror.

Maxwell: 4. Some good, mostly mediocre today. He seemed either tired or lazy at various points, trotting rather than running, or not busting his hump to cover for an error of his. He should be worshiping the ground that Abidal walks on. His side of the pitch was marked “Open for business,” and Atletico took full advantage of him getting caught up the pitch, time and again.

Busquets: 6. Too many Bad Busi moments for me to be entirely comfortable with. Yes, he either bailed himself out or was bailed out. Still can’t figure out why he doesn’t realize that he’s best as a one-touch player. Just keep the ball moving, please.

Xavi: 6. Off song today, for whatever reason. You could see him berating himself as he missed passes that are usually automatic with him. One characteristic of his off days is a tendency to play with the ball too much, as if touching it would bring back his touch. Interesting.

Iniesta: 7. Not at his absolute best, in part thanks to the Atletico defense and a hearty round of Iniestabuse, but a more than solid match with moments of great beauty and control. He really is a sensational player, who I still say gets fouled because defenders just say “That’s enough of that!”

Messi: 8. Not at his absolute best, but the most influential player on the pitch by a wide margin. A true game-changer with goals, passing and defense.

Pedro!!: 6. A stat-stuffer day. His sixth sense for where the ball is going to end up was off today, and his consecutive match scoring streak is broken, but just barely. Even when his offense isn’t on, P!! is a constant thorn in the side of opposing clubs with his incessant motion and harassing play at both ends.

Villa: 4. The off-song patch continues, even as he involves himself in the offense in ways that are sufficient to make it better, usually by being a threat. Defenses never say “Yeah, but Villa’s playing like crap. Watch the little guy.” You can’t, or he will convert some of those passes. Today, he looked like a player still learning to fit into our intricate attack.

Substitutes

Keita (for Iniesta): 6. Headed toward a higher score for sure as increasingly, he is the first sub because of his work rate, willingness to absorb contact to keep the offense moving and sheer physicality. Nothing like he and Busquets to shut a midfield down.

Afellay (for Xavi): incomplete. Not enough time, but note two moments of sheer delight: he poked the ball up the wing, and left an Atletico defender for dead, before laying in a cross that deserved better; he made a run at the defense, didn’t see anything and fed the ball backward, to reset. How many young players will go ahead and just blast a shot at goal?

Krkic: (for Pedro!!): incomplete. Entered the match, and vanished without a trace.

Hats off to new voice Linda Hui, who was at today’s match. We’ll be expecting a full match report, upon her return. Meanwhile,


“My ball my world.”

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In my fantasy life, I’m a Barca-crazed contributor over at Barcelona Football Blog. In my real life, I’m a full-time journalist at the Chicago Tribune, based in Chicago, Illinois.

219 Comments

  1. outerspacedout
    February 6, 2011

    Wow, Messi has 40 goals in 33 games, 29 of those starts and 4 sub appearances. Still have definitely 19 and potentially 24 games left in the season (16 league, 1 cup, 7 CL games if we reach the final).

    It is very very possible that he might get 70 goals for the season if he keeps this up. If he keeps up his current strike rate, the projection for the season is 71 goals.

    SEVENTY.

  2. Ryan
    February 6, 2011

    Well, you can now add Chelsea to one of the big teams to fall this weekend. Surely EE won’t follow the trend, right?

    • February 6, 2011

      YES, THEY WILL!

      (If not, I blame you, Ryan! 😀 )

    • mega_tajh
      February 6, 2011

      Nope they now scored early.

      • Ryan
        February 6, 2011

        Ouch, that didn’t take long.

    • Eklavya
      February 6, 2011

      I’d say “LOL” but that wouldn’t cut it…

  3. blitzen
    February 6, 2011

    Don’t lose hope, if Newcastle can do it, so can Real Sociedad!

    🙂

  4. soccermomof4
    February 6, 2011

    Started watching EE. Why? Because I’m an idiot. How’d they score so early? And why TB? Why does it always have to be TB?

    • Ryan
      February 6, 2011

      He has 50% of their goals, of course it’s going to be him!

  5. February 6, 2011

    Bah, 2-0.

    I’m going back to reading the Hunger Games

    • outerspacedout
      February 6, 2011

      3-0, Ronaldo scores another goal

  6. February 6, 2011

    Oh, and it’s really good news you’re alright, Diego! I was pretty worried…

    • Diego
      February 6, 2011

      Thanks, Kari. I always knew we had a thing 😀

      The Best Part about all this that I had a picture with the Soldiers, the Tank, and the Flag. 😀

  7. outerspacedout
    February 6, 2011

    We have… is it 108, or 111? goals in all competitions so far this season.

  8. soccermomof4
    February 6, 2011

    OG- Real Sociedad got one back 3-1— Do a Newcastle guys!

    • Nav
      February 6, 2011

      How many goals did TB get?

      • soccermomof4
        February 6, 2011

        2 for the game so he and Messi are tied (unless you go by Marca’s stats in which case TB is up by one)

      • outerspacedout
        February 6, 2011

        In La Liga yeah as SoMa04 said. In all competitions, Messi as 40 goals and 18 assists in 33 games (4 as sub) and DJ Pauly D has 34 goals and 8 assists in 35 gamers (2 as sub).

        For those of you who don’t know DJ Pauly D, his cast bio- not someone making fun of him, but what he okayed as his official cast bio- says this:

        “Pauly D is Rhode Island’s most well known DJ and keeps a tanning bed in his house. He orders gel by the case and does his hair twice a day–once in the morning and once before hitting the town.”

        (An introduction to the show here: http://www.cracked.com/blog/jersey-shore-is-the-worst-thing-to-happen-to-the-east-coast-since-911/)

  9. February 6, 2011

    What happened here? Was I away for that long? 🙂

    Nothing valued to say, just passing by to post a “Hi”.

    • outerspacedout
      February 6, 2011

      Long time, dude

    • mei
      February 6, 2011

      heeeelllllllloooo ramzi!missed ya 😀

    • Eklavya
      February 6, 2011

      Yay, you’re alive! 🙂

      Nobody’s saying it but everyone missed being schooled in tactics hehe

  10. Eklavya
    February 6, 2011

    Barcastuff: Messi, Milito and Mascherano travelled this morning to Switzerland for the ARG-POR friendly on Wednesday #fcblive [via @juanjobrau]¨

    Well, there goes my chance to catch them at the airport…

    • soccermomof4
      February 6, 2011

      US programming notes for upcoming friendlies (I only listed those friendlies in which our guys are involved):

      Wednesday, February 9
      Ned. v Aus (3M) ESPN2 2:30 EST
      France v Brazil (Abi v. Dani) ESPN2 and ESPN3 2:55pm EST
      Arg. v. Portugal (AKA Messi v TB)—GOLTV 3:00 pm EST (Eklavya will be there!)
      ESP v. Columbia (AKA most of our heroes v. haven’t got a clue) ESPN3 3:30 pm EST

      • outerspacedout
        February 6, 2011

        I didn’t even know Columbia has a national team… I take it you mean Colombia, the South American country. 😀

      • Eklavya
        February 6, 2011

        I think that 99% of countries have a team, just that some aren’t strong and not known.

      • outerspacedout
        February 6, 2011

        I was just pointing out that Colombia is the South American country, and Columbia is as in ‘District of Columbia’.

        The country that Shakira is from is Colombia, oft confused with Columbia.

        Ah I’m nitpicking

      • Eklavya
        February 6, 2011

        Oh, I hadn’t even noticed lol. Thanks for pointing it out.

      • Helge
        February 6, 2011

        It’s great to learn something new each day, thx a lot 🙂

  11. outerspacedout
    February 6, 2011

    Just to test if I’m doing tags right:

    bold
    italics
    underline
    strikeout
    strikeout again

    • outerspacedout
      February 6, 2011

      Okay, so the tags that work are ‘b’ and ‘/b’, ‘i’ and ‘/i’, ‘strike’ and ‘/strike’ not ‘s’ and ‘/s’- all these between – and underline doesn’t work at all.

      • outerspacedout
        February 6, 2011

        All these between* shift+, and shift+. (when I type the actual character it’s not visible)

        The characters I mean, of course, are
        Barca>Real
        and Real<Barca
        (remove the words to see the characters)
        Hope they will be visible this time

      • Helge
        February 6, 2011

        Let’s see if I’m intelligent enough to do tags 🙂

        Visca el Barça !!!

    • soccermomof4
      February 6, 2011

      blocked

      • February 6, 2011

        Actually, never-mind…

        Canal Plus, why?! It’s from Sky Sports… 🙁

      • Eklavya
        February 6, 2011

        What is it? Barcenal?

      • February 6, 2011

        Yeah. I wanted to cut the uploading time, so I tried to upload it from Windows Movie Maker instead of saving it to my laptop and then uploading it to Youtube from there…

        It was going so well; I knew it was too good to be true. Sigh. I might have to re-upload it, unless you don’t mind missing the first 8 or so minutes…

  12. Jnice
    February 6, 2011

    LOL, Valdano responded to Quique’s comments and said “Messi isn’t the De Stefano of the century, Cristiano is.”

    Whatever you say, Jorge.

    • BarcaGirl_Indo
      February 6, 2011

      Valdano is not alone… 😉

      he has Perez, MouMou, and EE fans who share the same hallucination… 😀

    • Helge
      February 7, 2011

      Well, to Valdano’s defense, he said that Cristiano is more like the new Di Stefano because he plays for Madrid. Not because he is better than Messi.

  13. February 6, 2011

    Interesting day. A French journalist at France 2 is reporting betting “irregularities” in the Arsenal/Newcastle match. He cites German justice dept. and Interpol sources. Weirdness.

    –Alves quotes from a BarcaTV interview (via @barcastuff):

    “The club knows I prefer to stay at Barça. I’ll fight for that, it’s my dream. I’ll do anything possible to stay. I carry this club in my heart and I know it’ll be very difficult to find another big club with this kind of players.”

    Some Alves quotes from back when he was strongly being tipped to go to Liverpool:

    “My aim is to earn as much money as possible to secure my family’s future. I’m happy here but if there’s something better elsewhere then there is no doubt I’d want to go. The idea of every player is to grow as a sportsman and financially. I’ll only leave if the offer is right for Sevilla as well as for me and my family. Then there’s no problem. I plan to work hard – and I have people to deal with these matters so I’m not worried.”

  14. Manish
    February 6, 2011

    Ratings seem to be something which pinches quite a lot of people.. it would be great if we had an article on how the ratings are arrived at.. i remember being told.. that a 6 for Messi would not be the same for Pedro.. why does a defender get a 9? If we could have a more technical approach.. instead of ..”he was all over the pitch”.. i am sure..it would take this blog to an entirely new level..All said and done..personally.. BFB is the best sports blog i have come across…

    • February 6, 2011

      Ratings pinch a lot of people because they don’t do what people want them to. They never do. Movie ratings are debated. “Three stars? What the hell movie was that critic watching?” Restaurant reviews: “Four stars? Not when after $400, I had to go to McDonald’s to get full!” Match reviews: “A 4? Clearly, Kxevin wishes Ibrahimovic was here, so he hates Villa.”

      In fact what any and all ratings are is an attempt to quantify. The New York Times doesn’t do star ratings for movies, ignoring the visual shorthand that many readers are fond of, because it enables them to make a quick decision. See or not? This one has 3.5 stars. Let’s go check it out.

      People have expectations of ratings, most importantly I think, that they should affirm their views on a player. “Villa has brought a lot to the club, so how can be get a 4? He’s so much better than x or y in the side.” All might be true, and all would have about zero bearing on the rating for how he played in a particular match. If someone says “You don’t like x,” I view that as “You views don’t mate with mine, and the only explanation that I can come up with is that you don’t like him.”

      Ratings are, and will always be contentious (even if they shouldn’t be) because they don’t meet different needs for everyone.

      Your point about descriptions is well-taken. I always assume that people who are reading the review have seen the match, and understand what I mean when I say that a player was “all over the pitch,” in either the good or bad context of the word. But that isn’t always true. Thanks for that.

      • Jose
        February 6, 2011

        To be honest, I don’t understand the obsession with arguing about ratings. It’s like you say, it’s an if-then statement: if the number you give to the player ~= the number I have in my head, then print(‘Outrage!’). It’s the recourse for the simple-minded.

        I barely even look at the numbers. If people instead bothered to read the review and just read the description beside each player, maybe we’d save a lot of ridiculous arguments over whether Villa’s performance merited a 4 or a 5.

  15. Para
    February 6, 2011

    I thought this was interesting because of a semi-discussion that happened in the comments of one of the last few posts (I think Kari’s about how she became a fan). I know it uses the superbowl as an analogy, but it talks about why people are fans of certain teams, and how ‘choosing’ a team is viewed in different places (namely the US versus Europe).

    http://www.runofplay.com/2011/02/04/soccer-fans-and-the-super-bowl/

  16. blitzen
    February 6, 2011

    Some sporting event was on my TV, some kind of “football” game, although they don’t use their feet very much, and the ball is shaped like an egg.

    Can anyone tell me why a game of four 15-minute (allegedly) quarters takes over 3 hours to watch? @@

    • Jose
      February 6, 2011

      I think it has to do with having to build that shiny stage in middle of it all so that the neon people can dance on it.

      That would be my guess.

    • February 7, 2011

      my friend said he was watching the puppy bowl on animal planet instead & going for the “cute one.” hilarious. what a nerd.

    • February 7, 2011

      Being from Greece I have never watched superbowl…so I have to ask…

      Is this sentence “a game of four 15-minute (allegedly) quarters takes over 3 hours to watch?”-actually true or is it an overstatement??
      …and if it is true(shocked!) how on earth do they manage that?!?! they have like a spot every two mins?

      • jnelson
        February 7, 2011

        It’s true. Officials stop the game clock every time the ball goes out of bounds or possession is changed. There also time-outs (3 per team) that last at least 30 seconds, and a two-minute warning each half, stopping play for at least another 30 seconds. In short, well there is nothing short about American football, especially when you add the advertising breaks at the end of each quarter. I think the average game is between 3.5 and 4 hours. Great stuff! haha

      • jnelson
        February 7, 2011

        *…bad grammar -.-

      • Robert
        February 7, 2011

        Here are the rules:
        http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/digestofrules

        Basically there were about 135 total plays in the game so…
        Official game length was 3h32m including the half time show which was (i think) 20min.

  17. Helge
    February 7, 2011

    According to AS, Messi has a strained muscle and didn’t train yesterday. Allegedly, it’s nothing bad though and he will be able to play the match against Portugal. I just hope that everything is fine, and more important, will still be fine after that friendly.

    • Eklavya
      February 7, 2011

      He BETTER play!

      • Helge
        February 7, 2011

        IF there is a severe risk of aggrevating the injury, say of a torn muscle that would keep him out for about 3 weeks – would you still think so?

        I’ve never seen Messi or Barca play live in a stadium, but if Messi’s health is endangered I’d rather see him on the bench!

    • Helge
      February 7, 2011

      Haha, that “thing” is a sort of thong, I guess 😀

      Great picture, he’s the only one NOT moving, and in his typical whiner pose.

      • Eklavya
        February 7, 2011

        LOL Haha, I didn’t notice it at first. 🙂

  18. February 7, 2011

    If somebody is over YouTube way, please post the link to the Abidal v Atletico video from Allas. Just watched it on my phone, and oh, man….

    –Adidas has offered Dani Alves a 5-year deal to be the company’s face in Brazil, supplanting some dude named Kaka. Is this the last link in the renewal chain?

    –Thiago’s dad should just shur the hell up. The last time this club was bullied was by Team Krkic, and look how that is turning out. If Sevilla wants your son, good on them.. He can see how it feels to be on the other end of our ass whippings.

    We have Afellay, and will make an effort for Fabregas. Is your kid potentially better? Yes, but Gio Dos Santos was also supposed to be the next Ronaldinho. Potential+20 Euros buys you lunch.

    This Guardiola group doesn’t like pains in the butt. Si keeo up the talk and see what happens.

    • mei
      February 7, 2011

      oh and mazinho was talking possibly about a loan move to sevilla, in case he doesnt get promoted to the first team next year ,which we said that will happen definitely.
      He really should shut up , but his words werent that malicious this time .

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