Just Another Way to Look at Things

This post is about statistics. You have been warned.

Now then: isn’t Bojan adorable? Doesn’t Busi look like a horse? Shouldn’t we burn Ibra at the stake if he ever comes back to visit? These questions can all be answered, to some degree or another, with numbers. Bojan, for instance, is way more adorable when you say that he scored as many goals per minute as Ibra last season or if you point out that his productions levels at 20 are way ahead of Pedro’s at the same age—don’t forget that Pedro is already 23, after all. And Busi totally looks more like a horse if you replay the gif of him against Inter about 30 times.

The Ibra thing I won’t even get into because of the whole Hulk Smash thing I do when you disrespect The Guardiola and, really, my lovely lady is getting tired of replacing the coffee table (and you wondered how Ikea made so much money–aha! Now I know it’s a dastardly Swedish plot to get at my moolah!).

So, as Kevin is fond of pointing out, tread carefully around statistics because they can be bent to the will of most anyone. Except Kevin. Because he goes comatose at the site of decimals. The following is a series of pliable numbers that I’m trying out for the first time and will happily take your suggestions on how to better utilize them.

I wondered aloud the other day how easy it would be to calculate points earned per appearance for individual players and then I wondered aloud how easy it would be for me to do that. And so I set off on a long and arduous quest to figure that out. And it turns out all I had to do was scare up the match stats for every match Barcelona has played so far this year and then it was a synch to figure it all out. Boom, done.

So Busi is the king of that stat, with 2.67 points per match (6 appearances, 16 points earned) and Puyol is runner up with 2.60 (5 apps, 13 points). The much-maligned Mascherano earns 1.83 per appearance, which, interestingly enough, is the same as Lionel Messi. But hang on a minute—it wouldn’t be fair to compare Bojan (2.13) to Messi because the latter has played almost twice as many minutes, would it? I mean, kid comes on for the last few minutes of a match that’s already put away and gets full credit? Can’t be havin’ that!

Meaning, of course, that I spent about 2 hours figuring out whether Mascherano had played 4 or 5 minutes against Atlético—for the record I went with 4—and other such trivialities. So my numbers are by no means perfect, but on a large enough scale one or two minutes deviation from the real stats won’t make a huge difference.

Here’s the formula I worked out:
Loss = -1.00
Draw = 0.50
Win = 2.00

My thinking behind the numbers: A loss is a bad thing, thus it should be given a negative weighting. A draw is a good thing in that it’s worth a point (it’s not necessarily a good thing from the perspective of winning a league, but it’s still better than nothing). A win is worth 3 points and is, as such, worth quite a bit, so I’ve weighted it to be 3 points better than a loss and also worth 4 times as much as a draw. I think that’s about right, but you might be able to think of better reasons for a different number.

But then, of course, you can’t just give someone -1 for subbing into a loss or 2 for subbing into a win. Really, why not weight that based on their share of the playing time. So I did (Result)*(% of Playing Time), which means that a player gets a 0.00 if he didn’t play, of course, but also doesn’t penalize or gift him if he only played part of the match. Then I took those in-game values and added them together. Naturally if you play more, you’ll get a higher overall score, so I included averages as well (Total/Appearances). There are holes in this that I’ll discuss below, but for the time being, here are the results, which do not include the Supercopa, just Liga and CL:

Total Average
Dani Alves 10.63 1.33
Busquets, Sergio 10.50 1.75
Valdes, Victor 10.00 1.25
Iniesta, Andres 9.49 1.19
Pique, Gerard 8.66 1.08
Xavi 8.46 1.21
Pedro 8.39 1.05
Villa, David 8.19 1.17
Puyol, Carles 7.50 1.50
Maxwell 6.52 1.09
Messi, Lionel 5.59 0.93
Keita, Seydou 4.74 0.79
Abidal, Eric 3.50 0.88
Milito, Gabriel 2.86 0.95
Krkic, Bojan 2.71 0.34
Mascherano, Javier 1.21 0.20
Adriano 0.58 0.19
Thiago 0.38 0.19
Nolito 0.08 0.08
Suarez, Jeffren 0.04 0.04

Dani Alves is extremely valuable in this model because he appears in all of the matches while Busi is more valuable on a per-appearance basis because we tend to win more when he plays (or, if you prefer, happen to win while he plays, but that sounds like a bogus argument).

The holes I’ve noticed:

Most glaring is that I don’t have a way to weight for when the goals were scored in particular matches. If Thiago subs on with 3 minutes left at 0-2 down and scores, he gets no bonus for that, while if Maxwell comes on and we give up a goal, he gets no negative unless it adversely affects the outcome (taking a win to a draw or a draw to a loss). I haven’t played with the numbers enough to work in goals for and goals against into the weighting and I’m not sure I’m going to, though I have, actually, worked in goals for and goals against per appearance (again, though, without the very useful information of whether goals were scored or allowed while that particular player was on the field—if anyone has a handy way to figure that out, please let me know).

Should I assign “not playing” a negative value? If you’re not used during a loss, you actually come out better than if you had played a killer match and been let down by your teammates, but then do you also get a negative if you’re subbed? That sort of doesn’t make sense. That’s why I’m leaning a bit on the averages, which are calculated based on appearances, but as of right now aren’t weighted by minutes (that is probably pretty easy, though I haven’t looked into it).

So, then, to a question about statistics that Kevin raised that I think is highly important: goals do not tell the whole story of a player’s contribution. If you’re a striker, your job is to score goals. Period. Thing is—not to be too flippant—but that line of reasoning reminds me of this. Yeah, goals are a good stat to have, but it’s more useful to put them into more meaningful context than to simply refer to them as the true value of a player.

In the same thread about Bojan that I linked above, Jason makes a good point that Bojan’s goals from 09-10 may be less important than Ibra’s in terms of when they were scored. Certainly, it’s worth looking at that, but only in conjunction with the numbers. If there was a VORP or a PECOTA for football, I’d use them in a heartbeat (if they exist and you have all been holding out on me, I’ll be very upset–and you wouldn’t like me when I’m angry), because I think those numbers help. It’s just that, in terms of the dynamism of football, there aren’t the same static moments that create nerd-friendly stats.

Also, stats, I can’t quit you. Nor do I particularly want to, even when I’m frustrated with them because they won’t lend themselves easily to quantifying football—which, really, is a great reason why it’s The Beautiful Game. I find the most stat-heavy sport, baseball, very boring, but it’s not because of the stats, it’s because of everything else. I don’t want to track who earned the most points in April on sunny days when the goalie was from the southern half of Brasil, but I do want to track things (where is Diego Alves from again?) and I do think they’re meaningful. Actually, I know they’re meaningful. And because of that, you’re going to get random statistics-based posts if you continue to read this blog.

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  1. Diego S.
    October 7, 2010

    Cool post. We really appreciate the effort you all put in writing in this Blog.

    • Bill
      October 7, 2010

      Haha! I was thinking the exact same thing!

  2. Luke
    October 7, 2010

    You could use similar statistical analysis to how Nate Silver set his up for the Soccer Power Index for international teams at ESPN. May provide you with better statistical analysis help, even though it is based on teams, not individuals: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/4447078/ce/us/guide-espn-spi-ratings?cc=5901&ver=us

    Also, the reason PECOTA and VORP do not exist for football is because their aren’t enough comprehensive statistical measures for players based on different systems teams run and how they are used. For example: Busquets regularly has the highest or second highest amount of passes completed in any given game. This is a good statistic for him because we need his pivot action to transition between offense and defense, however, in another system, his short passes may mean absolutely nothing and may be a total waste. Whereas in baseball, a player’s RBI or stolen base, or error is going to account for the same amount in almost every situation.

    The point is, statistical variation, player movement, and positioning all account for the lack of concrete statistics in football. Until advanced metrics move forward light years we won’t see anything close to PECOTA or VORP in football, at least not reliably.

  3. ElShowDeJason
    October 7, 2010

    I like this post. Not because it lead us to any great conclusion about who our most productive players are, but because it shows that the immesurable nuances of the the beautiful game are what make it just that. Beautiful.

    I am an Applied Mathematics major. So I am for all intents and purposes a huge math geek. I interpret and understand the world best through numbers. Yet I have a hard time applying that to football.

    Like you said, Baseball is probably the most quanitfiable sport. Every single action can be recorded and accounted for. But that makes the game boring.

    It is impossible to track football that way. From a CB being in the right position, to the DM forcing an oncomming counter wide with position and pressure, to CAM giving the Assist to the Assist. It makes football so much more organic than the mechanical nature of baseball, but it makes it more difficult to analyze.

    Even then, a good formula could be contructed. It would be messy and comlplex, but it could work. The only problem with that is that certain players, and their quality just down shine under the scrutiny of simple stats. For instance in our Yahoo! Fantasy League. Sergio Busquets and Iniesta often earn in the 0-5 points spectrum because what they are doing doesn’t count as goals, assists, shots on goal, etc. Yet your points per appearance clearly shows their value. And when we watch them play for Barcelona or Spain, we further see their contributions.

    So, while I think their will always be flaws in it, and you’re basically walking through a minefield here. I think I’d like to see the formula fleshed out. As long as we can take it with a grain of salt and consider the short commings of such a process.

  4. October 7, 2010

    By the by, this scarf is AWESOME!!

    So is this jacket: But you folks in perpetually warm climes will want to take a pass, if it’s as warm as last year’s winter jacket.

    • October 7, 2010

      A friend of mine gave that scarf to another friend of mine a few weeks ago as a birthday gift. Wonderful scarf.

      (We should totally get free swag for this kind of promotion).

    • blitzen
      October 7, 2010

      Very nice scarf! I would consider buying it for myself if I hadn’t just plumped down the cash for the equally awesome red warm-up shirt with the Catalan-striped armband.


      • Kxevin
        October 7, 2010

        I’m holding out for the yellow pre-match top. Bad-ass.

    • Nik
      October 7, 2010

      Kxevin – I recently moved to DC from CA and need a thick jacket for the winter. Do you think the jacket would be warm enough to use during the cold days?

  5. Rohanv
    October 7, 2010

    That DeadSpin article is awesome. As is this one.

    October 7, 2010

    i think in basketball there is something calling “tendex” who is a way to value a player in a game or a whole season.i can.t understand the Isaiah system at all!i will try later!

    • October 7, 2010

      Tendex is, if I understand correctly: {[ Rebounds + 1.25*Assists + 1.25*Steals + Blocks – 1.25*Turnovers – Missed Field Goals – (Missed Free Throws/2) – Personal Fouls/2] / Minutes / Game Pace}

      I’m not totally positive I understand how to use it because I’m not sure how one calculates “game pace”. My “system” (which is hardly a system yet) asks basically “what is a player’s value?” and could easily be adjusted to say it in a “points per minute” way, I think.

      For instance, Busi has earned 16 points in his 564 minutes on the field, which is 0.028 points per minute. Puyol has earned 13 points in 422 minutes, or 0.030 points per minute. There are lots of ways to flip these stats, of course, so I’m open to any way of doing it. I’ve done some of it in the past and I think the problems I’m having are that I don’t have access to some of the stats I’d like. Luke mentions the SPI above and you can certainly learn a lot from them.

      More later as I get my spreadsheets running more complex numbers.

  7. October 7, 2010

    And damn you, Isaiah, for Hectoring me:

    –New grass is down at the Camp Nou. We can see if this stuff chunks up like the last pitch did. Fingers crossed.

    Pere Xavi says that Xavi was on the verge of something very, very serious with his tendonitis. Thankfully, cooler heads prevailed. Pique adds that our Maestro needs rest. Bad. This is where the lack of true midfield depth at playmaker comes into play. Let’s hope this gets figured out soon.

    Sport has a story with the headline “Bojan, Villa and Eto’o, similar effectiveness” There’s also the famous quote that there are “lies, damned lies and statistics.”

    –If we sign Suarez or Tevez in January I will dance a naked limbo in my (no doubt) snow-covered backyard and post it to YouTube. Tevez is another midget. We have plenty of those. He’s also a player like unto those of which we have many. (Ha!) Suarez would be of value on the wing, and it would return P! to his rightful spot as supersub, but we aren’t going to spend what Suarez costs.

    I repeat: Don’t trust the Spanish sports dailies as far as you can throw ’em. Now some might say “Hey, if you wad it up, you can throw Sport pretty far.” But don’t mess up my damn adage.

    –Villa admitted to being a little nostalgic for the daily routine of being a Valencia player, but read nothing else into it. He also said that if he scores against Valencia, he will not celebrate, out of respect.

    –There was a minor hooraw at the press conference featuring Pique and Ramos, when it was requested that Pique answer a Villa question in Catalan. Ramos got upset apparently. Whatever, dude. Lord, how I wish I could be at the Camp Nou to boo your ass until blood runs from my ears.

    • October 7, 2010

      Statistics may be bent to the will of the presenter, but so too the written word.

    • Bill
      October 7, 2010

      Actually, if you look at the Eto’o, villa, bojan statistics the right way, it tells the story why I like Bojan very much. Yes, his open field play still has room to grow, and he needs to learn how to fight off defenders and keeping his balance. But when Bojan gets himself into striking positions, his shots are as good as anyone I have seen. Those statistics are for shots at goal, and they confirm that Bojans striking rate is topnotch. You can’t teach that.

    • Tyler
      October 8, 2010

      from what I understood about the Pique Ramos thing was it was Ramos being mostly sarcastic. My in-laws are from Spain and found it quite funny so I think he was just pretending to be upset.

    October 7, 2010

    haha!i am not sure if i want to see that kxevin!i remember the summer jnice said:macherano will not come to us!imagine if he made the same promise!

    • Jnice
      October 7, 2010

      Damn, I said that? Oops, my bad. Haha.

      • vicsoc8
        October 7, 2010

        Nothing wrong with that. Last summer I was the one saying I didn’t think Mascherano would fit into the team.

        Luckily this is one of those situations where I’m happy to eat my own words.

  9. Jnice
    October 7, 2010

    Beautiful free kick from Dani Alves… now do that for Barça.

    • Miguel
      October 7, 2010

      oh shit! that’s on right now? iran, right?

      link pretty please?

    • Miguel
      October 7, 2010


      here’s an ok one

  10. vicsoc8
    October 7, 2010

    My only question would be why you chose to use the numbers you did for rating wins, loses, and ties. My thought would be that the point system for results (0,1,3) would lend itself extremely well as the “worth” of playing in a loss, tie, or win.

    I understand that it seems unfair to give a player the same rating (0) if he played in a game we lost as a player who didn’t play. But I think this would be solved by looking at the average – a player who earns a 0 for not playing in a game will not have their average, while a player who earns a 0 but played a whole game will have a lower average as a result.

    The only reason I say this is I think it would make the “average” statistic more tangible. While I have a general idea of what a 1.33 rating means (and it makes sense in context) I couldn’t easily put into words what that average rating suggests.

    I would also be interested in a points per minute played statistic. Something along the lines of:

    SUM(points earned * percentage of playing time) / total minutes played

    The reason is that while you have normalized the players’ earnings with the “average” – you have normalized based on appearances – and while you take into account playing time while calculating their overall score, you ignore playing time in favor of appearances when you calculate the average. I’m not a statistician, and there might be some issue with accounting for playing time twice in the equation, but I think it would be more consistent and easier to compare.

    Love the stats post though.

    • October 7, 2010

      Yeah, my rationale was to provide a very strong negative effect for playing when the team lost. I ran the numbers with 0,1,3 to begin with and came up with this (apologies for the bad formatting if it’s there when I post):

      Player Value Average
      Valdes, Victor 17.00 2.13
      Dani Alves 17.00 2.13
      Iniesta, Andres 16.24 2.03
      Busquets, Sergio 16.00 2.67
      Pique, Gerard 14.99 1.87
      Villa, David 14.01 2.00
      Pedro 13.82 1.73
      Xavi 13.72 1.96
      Maxwell 11.53 1.92
      Puyol, Carles 11.50 2.30
      Messi, Lionel 10.23 1.70
      Keita, Seydou 8.78 1.46
      Abidal, Eric 7.00 1.75
      Krkic, Bojan 5.06 0.63
      Milito, Gabriel 4.52 1.51
      Mascherano, Javier 2.95 0.49
      Adriano 1.82 0.61
      Thiago 0.65 0.32
      Nolito 0.17 0.17
      Suarez, Jeffren 0.07 0.07

      I’m fine with those numbers too, but you’ll never have a player that’s obviously horrible (-1.00) for instance.

      Here are the results of (points earned * %PT)/total minutes played:

      Player Points per minute Value Avg Value
      Iniesta, Andres 0.02255 16.24 2.03
      Pique, Gerard 0.02255 14.99 1.87
      Valdes, Victor 0.02255 17.00 2.13
      Dani Alves 0.02255 17.00 2.13
      Pedro 0.02255 13.82 1.73
      Krkic, Bojan 0.02255 5.06 0.63
      Xavi 0.02122 13.72 1.96
      Busquets, Sergio 0.02122 16.00 2.67
      Villa, David 0.02122 14.01 2.00
      Puyol, Carles 0.01724 11.50 2.30
      Keita, Seydou 0.01724 8.78 1.46
      Maxwell 0.01724 11.53 1.92
      Messi, Lionel 0.01459 10.23 1.70
      Mascherano, Javier 0.01459 2.95 0.49
      Abidal, Eric 0.00928 7.00 1.75
      Milito, Gabriel 0.00928 4.52 1.51
      Adriano 0.00796 1.82 0.61
      Thiago 0.00531 0.65 0.32
      Nolito 0.00133 0.17 0.17
      Suarez, Jeffren 0.00133 0.07 0.07


      • Tom_Johnson
        October 7, 2010

        I would like to suggest few ideas to benchmark our strikers.

        Shots on goal (of course) should be assigned different weight based on level of difficulty and probability of scoring. For an example, while Bojan did hit the post from a very tight angle, Messi was unsuccessful 1-1 with the keeper and had his right footed shot (in the second half) go wide from a much better angle.

        Both Zlatan last year and Villa this year so far had missed quite a few good scoring opportunities. In the case of Zlatan, the number itself (21) doesn’t mean much without putting it into context how many high scoring opportunities he missed. 21/32 is not as same as 21/45.

        Another category would be the fouls suffered in the opponents half since that usually means the player had to create some danger to the defending team. These can be further broken down by the proximity to the goal and position on the field (middle vs wing) as well as the outcome of the set piece.

        For the mid-fielders, the passes should be broken down by completion, length and direction (forward-productive vs lateral/backwards-not so productive).

        In general, the players that have meaningfully touched the ball when the goal was scored should get extra points. Naturally, the defender(s) that were caught out of place (for no valid reason),made a foul in the “danger zone” or had missed the tackle should be penalized with an appropriate point deduction.

        • Tom_Johnson
          October 7, 2010

          In addition, the points should be adjusted based on the level of difficulty team is playing against. Quality of the opponent, how many key players are they missing, the position in the standings they occupy, the system they play, and was the game played home or away.

        • October 7, 2010

          The issue I’m having is the lack of data. Nate Silver’s SPI that Luke linked above has a lot of information and I’m going to comb through it when I have the chance to see if I can’t come up with something more concrete. My guess is that Nate Silver has already far out-thought me and he has the data.

          I disagree with you on one thing, though, and it’s where all the stats tend to bog down: “For the mid-fielders, the passes should be broken down by completion, length and direction (forward-productive vs lateral/backwards-not so productive).” Is going backwards actually less productive than going forwards? What if that forward pass results in a turnover immediately afterwards?

          What’s a “meaningful touch” prior to a goal? If Pique passes to Valdes who passes to Puyol who passes to Xavi who passes to Messi who passes to Villa who scores, why does Xavi get more credit than Pique if what Pique did was save the possession? Or Puyol? How can we know? And then doesn’t it become subjective?

          Not that I’m hating on your thoughts. They’re good thoughts. But if we (yes, we) are to create a better series of stats, then we’ve got to approach it from a lot of angles.

          Most of what you’re suggesting goes into the “Efficiency” rating that the NBA enjoys these days. There are just a LOT more variables…

          • Tom_Johnson
            October 8, 2010

            Thank you for the constructive critique. My focus was on the strikers which prevented me from expressing myself properly in regards to mid-fielders. I wasn’t exactly sober either, Thirsty Thursday anyone 🙂

            What I had meant to say by meaningful is mainly a move performed under reasonable pressure that created a space or an extra player. For an example, while Pique passing under no serious pressure to Puyol 10yds away keeps the ball in our possession, it is nowhere near as valuable as, lets say, an Iniesta’s dribble and cut inside that pulled one defender out it’s defensive shell or a well thought Xavi’s pass (with a man breathing on his neck) and Dani’s timely run that opens up space and an opportunity for a dangerous cross from the right wing. Do you see my point?

            And when I was talking about the direction of passes, the way we play it is safe to say that every successful forward pass weighs more on our production than the lateral/backwards one. This is a general trend and certainly not a rule. The evaluation should be conducted on case-by-case basis.

            Not sure if you scrolled down to look at my most recent post from last night, but I’ve talked about shots on goal and balls recovered category for our mid-fielders (based on the assignments). I would add turnovers (the forward pass issue that you have mentioned above) and turnover ratios with total passes and time spent on the field as variables.

            The parameters I am suggesting do reflect the efficiency but, more importantly, they reflect the decision making which I hold to be a broader category and more reflective to each players contribution. How often does the player makes a right decision under severe pressure when there is very little time to think? For an example, Xavi passed on a number of goal scoring opportunities. The probabilities of him scoring in those particular situations were very high. Instead, he opted out for a pass assuming more risk and lowering the probability of scoring. This was a general trend and not a rule.

            There are a LOT related variables, I couldn’t agree more. The key is to assign a proper weight to each one of them.

          • Larm
            October 8, 2010

            hey isaiah, im not sure if they do these for la liga games. but these are a wetdream for keepings track of just about everything a player does on the field. for example it not only tells you where a player was when he passed a ball but where it went and whether or not it got to the reciever


      • vicsoc8
        October 7, 2010

        Awesome, thanks.

        I’m not quite sure what happened with the points per minute. I’m debating whether the numbers converged because they are so small, and that is why there is no difference for many of the players, or if the fact that many of the players have the same number is telling us something. Any thoughts on this?

        Would be interested in other thoughts on this – however the statistic isn’t really telling me as much as I hoped it would (or is it?) Back to the drawing board I guess.

      • vicsoc8
        October 7, 2010

        Oh and another thought – the points per minute played could be interesting, but it also is really good at hiding a players true contribution to the team.

        As an example, imagine we had a player X who played 30 minutes in a game we won, but that was it. The player would have .033 points per minute and would seem to be leading the team – but in reality they would have had very little contribution to the team.

        However, this would make me think players who are typically used as substitutes to run out a game we are winning would have higher scores – but all of our substitutes seem to have lower scores. Could this an artifact of the fact that we tend to get worse results when we start more of the substitutes?

        I’m not sure if this is happening with Bojan here, or why exactly he has moved up so far in the standings. Unless I overlooked something he is the true outlier in that statistic (in that he was the only one who moved significantly in the table). Would be interesting to know why that is.

        • Tom_Johnson
          October 7, 2010

          The time of possession for each player (especially mid-fielders) divided by the game time (90’+ stoppage) would be telling of contribution knowing that the way we play limits the dwelling on the ball.

          Further more, the mid-fielders should be evaluated not only by assists but, pending on the assignment/position, shots (successful ones) on goal and tackles/balls recovered. That is what separates the truly great ones from the mediocre ones.

  11. Miguel
    October 7, 2010

    lakers v barca

  12. Helge
    October 7, 2010

    Messi finally broke the silence and said on the press conference in Japan that he wants Batista to stay as the national coach. And he likes the way of football under their new coach. There was definitely some hidden criticism on Maradonna and I’m relieved that Messi finally raises his voice against el Diez.

  13. Luke
    October 7, 2010

    A few notes about the Regal FCB vs. Lakers broadcast:

    1. As some here already knew, FCB has a very good basketball team, to the point that they are playing the actual Lakers squad tough. After winning the Euroleague Basketball Championship last year, the squad’s prestige has risen steadily, especially with the inclusion of Ricky Rubio. Regal could give a number of NBA teams a run for their money and would be a very good team if included in the NBA for a while. I don’t think they would win it all in any way, but the team is good.

    2. ESPNs presentation has been very good. Normally I am the first to complain about ESPNs coverage of anything that is not America-based, but this has been stellar. The commentators have been spot-on about the talent at FCB, talked about Rosell (who is sitting front-row), talked about Xavi (who is apparently, or was at some point, at the game), Messi, Kobe’s fanship of the team (apparently he goes to a good many games when he can), our football guys, and the program in general. Good job ESPN.

    3. I might start putting a little more coverage of the basketball team up if people are involved. Nothing huge, but the team is very good and they get some love on ESPN3 and NBATV from time-to-time. Let me know your thoughts and, as always, Visca Barça.

    • Miguel
      October 7, 2010

      cool. match really meant a lot to pau gasol, you could tell. not enough kobe magic to win it @the last minute, not that he played very much, though. i was actually watching to see the laker’s new incorporations(ebanks & barnes) & how they fleshed out the bench.

      fcb’s navarro was on point today. he impressed me a lot. all of the triplete winners did, actually.

      tip of the hat to espn.

    October 7, 2010

    what a big win for barca!ok is a friendly but our basketball team is as good as the football!proud for us boys!!

  15. October 7, 2010

    The news of us signing Tevez is complete no sense. He is the key striker for man City at the moment. They dont need money. Case closed. Yet, I see us loaning another striker from the citizens till the end of the season.

    I like numbers. I love stat. Not in football. So I won’t go there.

  16. Jim
    October 7, 2010

    You’re not hinting at Adebayor I hope, Ramzi?

  17. Helge
    October 7, 2010

    Damn it, I missed Regal vs Lakers… I usually don’t watch basketball matches, but that one would have interested me a lot :/
    First time ever that a European club team beat an American?

    • Luke
      October 7, 2010

      Nah, Macabbi Tel-Aviv has done it a few times, and I am sure others have as well.

  18. ooga aga
    October 7, 2010

    just want to give “mad props,” as other say in the vernacular, to SoMa for that last post. great stuff.

  19. BA
    October 7, 2010

    if we make a move for any England-based player during the winter window, surely it has to be Torres? Liverpool are in crisis (on the pitch and off), he wants to leave, and he’s ready to move on to better things.

    • Jose
      October 7, 2010

      Speaking of Torres transferring out of Liverpool gives me mental images of him with a Red Sox uniform on. You know, struggling to understand why his glove doesn’t go on his dominant hand.

    October 7, 2010

    the question is how money we must spend to find the answer after eto leaving?i don.t like to moaning but we spend 49+eto+40+14(ibra,villa,keirison)in just 2 seasons.yes last season there was the surprise of pedro.we were lucky.from 2004 when we buyed eto we spend a lot less money for strikers.anri,one guy from bilbao,gudjonsen.that was all..i prefer to end the season with what we have and in summer make big changes in squad.

    October 7, 2010

    i have faith in the team.i believe we can win C.L.but for liga we need luck(no serious injuries and the fatique).but in summer i believe we must sell some players who made their circle in team.we need fresh blood.that.s my opinion.i know that many of you wants players like keita,maxwell,milito,abidal not go.but i want.they are good but their age don.t help.we need money to buy new players.

  22. barca96
    October 7, 2010

    Geez.I got a headache halfway through the post. Great effort though Que..Oops, Isaiah.

    -Why are the pre-match tops so expensive? Cost almost the same as the jersey itself. Have been eying this for awhile now>

    -Read that article on VIlla too. Just hoping that he won’t do a Henry@at the Emirates.

    No.No.No to the two mentioned possible winter signings.
    the answer=LLorente

  23. jose89
    October 7, 2010

    From a PURELY talent perspective, i would love to see balotelli at barca. he can do the wing thing a la Henry, and has the technical ability and physical presence to match Ibra. what an incredible talent (minus the crazy).

    • jose89
      October 7, 2010

      also i have a special place in my heart for footballers that defy common notions of nationality.

    • Miguel
      October 7, 2010

      minus the crazy??? are you sure? oh, wait…i get it.

      my answer to this would be dirk kuyt. he works like a dog, is 6 ft tall & does his thing on the wing but was originally a center forward. hence why he filled in for torres well during all of the spaniard’s injuries. if only he scored more goals.

  24. James
    October 7, 2010

    This article makes me snore..couldn’t finish beyond the 3rd paragraph. Sorry. 😛

  25. October 8, 2010

    A few notes before I disappear for a while:

    Dani’s FK against Iran was siiiick.

    Gai Assulin has signed with ManCity, meaning he’s stuck in the reserves for a while. I hope he does well and earns himself a nice living as a footballer. He held out for a big club and he got a big club, so now he has to make good on his self-promotion.

    We won’t sign a striker in January. Come on, now, you think we’re going to splash mega cash on Suarez, Adebayor, Llorente, or some such? Aren’t we in massive financial difficulties? Or has Rosell fixed everything in 100 days? Internal audits said we lost €70m last year instead of earning €11m, which is, by my math (and I had Excel check this to the 50th decimal), an €81m difference. And yet we have money to buy a superstar striker?

    If the fund suddenly appear, I’d be happiest with Llorente because I have some weird special place in my heart for that big goon despite the fact that he whines more than almost any other player in the world. Seriously. Watch an Athletic match and count the times that Llorente gets the sad eyes and moans to the ref or his teammates about service or being fouled. You’re 8’23”! Get over it! You’re the Bill Brasky of soccer!

  26. poipoi
    October 8, 2010

    cool system, as long as it shows busi is a winner it’s fine by me 😉

    IMO it is key (and a lotta work) to know in what minute the goal was scored/conceded. if thiago comes in in the 60th we are already loosing and nothing happens it’s like a “draw for thiago” even though it’s a team loss. In the 30 minutes he played the scored did not move so he shouldn’t get negative points me thinks. Same thing, if busi leaves the pitch with the team winning by one, bojan comes in and we get scored it should be a “win for busi” and “loss for bojan” … “draw for the team” 😀 Was it already like that? If not I think it could be but consider that in the same game players get different ratings for different scores. Don’t know if good or bad but… imagine we loose by 0-2 pep does 2 subs min 60 with that 0-2 and one more with 2-2 min 80. We end up winning 3-2. The players that went out in the 60th min loose, the one that went out in the 80th gets a draw, and all the others win… all of them weighted by minutes played. It just came to my mind reading your post, don’t know if is already used or bullshit or anything.

    anyway…. GOT ANY NEWS ABOUT XAVI???!!! please

  27. blitzen
    October 8, 2010

    Very nice interview with Sergio Busquets in El Pais (Spanish):


    I particularly like the last bit:

    Q: What is the best game you have played?

    A: I don’t know. I played well against Bilbao a few days ago. I even got confused and scored a goal!


    • Jnice
      October 8, 2010

      I saw that on that con la roja website. I also read some nice words from Del Bosques’ assistant Toni Grande:

      Q: What will the team be like without Xavi?

      A: That’s the problem. There is a player that can take over: Cesc.

      Q: Is that the main concern?

      A: It’s not the only one. We always say the same thing, which is that we hope Busquets doesn’t get injured. He gives us a lot of security. Another player that would be difficult to replace is Puyol, who is all heart and generosity. The truth is that we have a marvelous group. I’ve never seen anything like it.


  28. sheena
    October 8, 2010

    In other news, Argentina just lost 1 – 0 to Japan. Messi was decent though.

    • jose89
      October 8, 2010

      gaby, messi, and masch all played 90 min. no injuries to the three though, thankfully.

      • Helge
        October 8, 2010

        Inter was less lucky, both Cambiasso and D. Milito were subbed due to (minor) injury problems.
        Anyway, Messi played pretty well but I missed Di Maria and Pastore in the starting eleven. I don’t know why Batista is so much into D’Alessandro, he played horrible. Bolatti was also a disappointment. Argentina played a lot of beautiful football, but there was always someone who then made a bad pass or couldn’t control the ball and thus the move was destroyed…
        Oh, and where were Samuel and Zanetti? Both injured? I really hate to see Demichelis play for Argentina, he is such a high risk factor in EVERY game for both club and country.

  29. y2k156
    October 8, 2010

    I watched the Argentina – Japan match and it was quite even. Japan fully deserve their win. It was not as if Argentina did not try. Messi was quite ok. Milito i thought was average/poor along with demichelis. Also Romero is ok though definitely not good at current stage.

    Overall, Argentina’s defence was poor/average (As has been the case in recent past), midfield was ok (though one could see that with Banega in side, it will be much better) and attack was ok.

    Japan on other hand were very organized and have got one or two flair players that can do things.

  30. October 8, 2010

    Citeh has apparently signed Assulin to a 4-year deal. Good luck to the kid.

    And speaking of Citeh, Ramzi’s notion of a loaned striker from them just kinda slid by the wayside without much comment, which is atypical here, I think.

    Adebayor? I can’t see them loaning Balotelli, after all the dough they spent on him. And they wouldn’t loan or sell Tevez, not that we would be willing to pay what he cost, or countenance another midget.

    I know people are going to flip their flops, but Adebayor wouldn’t be a bad loan if we could work favorable terms. He’s big, plays well with his back to the defense, holds up play very well, and scores goals.

    Yes, there’s a Barcelona-sized dump truck full of negatives. I know. The risk would be whether the situation and reasonably regular playing time wouldn’t be the lure to make him behave. Probably not, but ….

    I think that people are thinking that we need a player of Ibrahimovic’s caliber at big forward. I don’t know that we do. And those players are rarely happy not starting all the time, and being The Man. During a GChat yesterday, Isaiah said that he’d rather have Crouch than Adebayor. I think he was kidding(?).

    I don’t think anything at all will happen in that regard in January, but for the sake of time-filling speculative nattering, what the hell.

  31. Luis
    October 8, 2010

    I wouldnt even be surprised if adebayour did better than Ibra. Yeah for a loan, why not, it wont cost anything most importantly- No 40m sunk cost!!

  32. Diego S.
    October 8, 2010

    Pop Quiz !

    What was CT’s highest score on the KRS ? Which match was it ?

  33. Larm
    October 8, 2010

    so im trying to find a wig that looks like puyols hair. anybody know any websites?

    • blitzen
      October 8, 2010

      Here you go:


      But I don’t know where they are based.

      Halloween costume?

      • blitzen
        October 8, 2010

        I think the “KennyG” or the “Cline” would be suitable. 😀

  34. Vicsoc8
    October 8, 2010

    I would normally scoff at the idea of bringing Adebayor on loan. However, it is impossible to deny that he has some of the attributes we need in a second option striker. Add inthe fact that he doesn’t even start all the time at City, and that we have a good relationship with City, and maybe the option isn’t as remote as it seems.

    Not to mention that I don’t really believe his attitude would be too much of a problem. It was less than a year ago that the Togo bus was attacked by terrorists, and that event seems to have had a fairly profound effect on Adebayor. It may be too soon to tell for sure, but since the incident he just hasn’t seemed like the “kick Van Persie in the face and then run the length of the field to celebrate in front of Arsenal fans after you score against your old club” type of personality anymore.

  35. blitzen
    October 8, 2010

    Does anyone have a decent link for the Spain-Lithuania game? I can’t find one that doesn’t require downloaded software.

  36. Diego S.
    October 8, 2010

    Did anyone see Villa’s miss against Lithuania ?!

  37. Kari
    October 8, 2010

    Silva overhit a pass with Villa in a good position?!


    • blitzen
      October 8, 2010

      It’s the cold and the rain in England, it’s affecting the poor boy’s metabolism. He hasn’t had a good meal since he went there, I’m sure. I think we should launch a rescue operation to kidnap him and return him to the welcoming arms of Spain.

      • Kari
        October 8, 2010

        Preferably the welcoming arms of Catalonia–Barcelona–FC Barcelona–the left wing or midfield

  38. Kari
    October 8, 2010

    Last thing: if there is Fernando Torres mutterings, my pick would be Fernando Llorente Torres.

    Dude looks the business.

  39. blitzen
    October 8, 2010

    Villa subbed off. He is NOT happy. With himself, I mean.

    • blitzen
      October 8, 2010

      And Silva, AND Llorente? What the hell?

    • Kari
      October 8, 2010

      Yeah, Villa is in this funk that happens when you change locations, kinda like when you’re grades drop when you move to a new school. It’s all psychological though, so when he inevitably breaks out of it, ass will be kicked. And kicked hard.

  40. blitzen
    October 8, 2010

    Oh, and I would like to mention that David Silva, the *shortest* member of the team, scored his goal with his head. So height isn’t everything!

  41. Kari
    October 8, 2010


    Why do you torture me so?!

  42. blitzen
    October 8, 2010

    Have there been any cards at all this match? I missed the first half hour, but I haven’t seen any since then.

  43. Ryan
    October 8, 2010

    Commentator says that Villa, since equaling Raul’s tally of 44 goals with the Spanish team, has hit the post SIX times!

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