News of the Day: July 6, 2010

Apologies for such lax posting, but it was the 4th of July weekend here in the States and despite the heat wave we’ve got going on here at the moment I’ve spent as much time outside as possible. Not that there was anything to see. Fortunately, the holiday is over and now I get to sit inside and write about Barça instead of having friends and hanging out in the park. Yay.

Chygrynskiy

Perhaps the biggest news of the moment is that Dmytro Chygrynskiy is headed headed back to Shakhtar Donetsk in a transfer worth €15m. Besides the obvious question of why we bought him for €25m only to sell him back for a €10m loss one year on, there’s also the ever-growing gap in our roster that will have to be filled somehow. Guardiola obviously considers him surplus to requirement, but it seems strange that we would ship him back to Ukraine without him getting that all-important second year to really acclimate and show us what he can (or can’t) do. Those who suggest Ibra should get another year should obviously be of the same mind with Dima.

He leaves us after just 14 appearances–if you take the €10m loss with that view, we paid €714,285 for each of his appearances. Fantastic. And yes, I realize that the official site says, “The money received for the 23-year-old central defender will help ease the Club’s short-term liquidity problems,” but that means buying other players that are expensive and that we don’t really need (aka attackers). If we have “short-term liquidity problems” then we should stop purchasing players.

There’s still Yaya news, of course, as our ex-solar system-sized-man-mountain gave an interview (English article here) to Catalan radio station RAC1 in which he basically praised Barça and Guardiola and promised to one day return to the club. While I’m sad to see him go and I think it was perhaps a bad bit of business, I think he’s talking bananas. Have there ever been any players that have left the club and then returned 5 years later when they’re in their 30s? I doubt that and I don’t think we’ll be seeing Señor Touré in blaugrana again. In fact, I’m positive of it. Especially not if he wants to remain the highest paid player in a league.

In Rosell news, it’s time Statement Rollback Time already. After Cruyff returned the honorary president insignia to the club, Rosell has obviously found himself staring down the wrong end of the barrel. Stating that Cruyff is a legend, a myth, “a symbol of barcelonismo”, and other “I realize I put my foot in it” missives, Rosell is trying to do some damage control. Fair enough, but come on, Sandrusco, let’s see some real movement if you’re truly contrite and believe Cruyff should be the honorary president. And if you’re interested in my opinion on the whole thing, I don’t care for Honorary Presidents. Cruyff should just write his blog like the rest of us and we should all be happy to have him near the club. If Rosell wants to do away with the Honorary Presidency, I am all for that, but enough of this wishy-washy nonsense.

Today’s “Will He or Won’t He?” for Zlatan Ibrahimovic is that He Won’t. He won’t be going anywhere, according to Manuel Estiarte, our media relations director, because Ibra is, well, a Barça player. He has a contract (and what a contract!) and his agent has said he won’t be going anywhere. Until tomorrow, perhaps, when Milan will be coming with an open wallet for him. Perhaps.

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Isaiah is a co-founder and lead writer for Barcelona Football Blog. He currently lives in the greater New York City area with his wife and daughter.

295 Comments

  1. JMo
    July 6, 2010

    Displeased is a huge understatement if we in fact sell Ibra.

    All this mongering about him “under-performing” is not only short-sighted, but impatient.

    Just looking at the dramatic increase of Henry’s productivity from his first year to another to the second, should only encourage us cules about the potential for Ibra.

    He scored 22 bloody goals people. That’s a great first year. With Villa patrolling alongside him and Messi taking on an even more advanced role as the trequerista, I think it’d be safe to say we’d have one of the most fascinating front lines in World Football history.

    Keep Ibra, 2010-2011, and then see how things go.

    • July 6, 2010

      henry had difficulties as he was moved to LW and his divorce with his wife and him missing his daughter, Tea.

    • poipoi
      July 6, 2010

      let’s just wait and see what villa will do in his 1st year here (probably playing two positions) and ibra in his second if he stays (a thing many people don’t want). henry has always been bad in FCB even if he scored a lot. people want ibra out because they don’t like him much that’s all… I consider myself sceptic, he has not been that great or that bad but to me he has been a little bad, the only thing that counts as a disadvantage if we keep him could be the old subject of the “bojan minutes”, but no one should get rid of a player like that, he is one of a kind and can help the team if pep manages. I don’t know if he will end up the season starting though 😉

      • Kxevin
        July 6, 2010

        Look, just because you hate Henry is no reason to diminish his accomplishments with phrases such as “henry has always been bad in FCB even if he scored a lot.” The man was essential to the treble season. We saw the effects of his absence this season.

        If Villa doesn’t play well and score a bazillion goals, what then? Will people be calling him shit as well, or will he get the pass that nobody else has gotten? What if, for example, Villa scores 22 goals and notches 8 or so assists. Would that make him a success or a failure? It made Ibrahimovic a failure, right?

        Sigh.

        • poipoi
          July 6, 2010

          oh come on man, I thought this was already over he’s gone for god’s sake… finito.

          henry=failure go ask anyone in barcelona or any spanish soccer supporter, journalist, or whatever. In FCB he has been awful period, even if he sent some balls into the net one year… I said from the moment I saw him play a single game with us… in his 1st season, when he scored and now. So I just want the frenchman out, and I think it’s going to happen (it is so obvious we should have done it last year) I also want that nobody ever praised him but I know it wont happen, I can live with it like you should be albe to live with me hating henry.

          He was a lack we carried 3 or 4 years, I can’t stop thinking how great we could have played if a good player had been our left wing. For instance Andres wouldn’t have played so much there and bojan would have a thousand minutes more in his legs.

          I would go further and say we don’t sign anyone from the EPL, except thatguywiththeshortnamewhohappenstobecatalan 😉 they play so different, it’s like they are “game retarded” or something, they don’t know how to read the match and carry the rhythm of the game, no wonder thatguywiththeshortnamewhohappenstobecatalan run their bussiness at 18. we gotta win that WC and show them please!!!

          • Jim
            July 6, 2010

            Can’t agree with you there. Yes, last season was one too far for him but I have good memories of the season before last. He carried a lot of threat and gave us great balance up front.

          • Kxevin
            July 6, 2010

            But many Spanish football supporters are as stupid as the Spanish sporting press, so asking dimwits their opinion will only illuminate the natterings of a twit. Only a fool would look at Henry’s first two years and call him a failure. Yes, there are a lot of those among Spanish football supporters.

            They should do themselves a favor, and go back to look at his second year with us, the goals he scored and their import, then come back and talk with a bit more common sense, instead of being blinded by a lack of rationality rooted in a dislike of a player.

            I don’t care if anybody hates him. But you can’t take away from what he did, and his value to the club. It just doesn’t make sense on any rational viewpoint, and frankly, the irrational ones are too uncomfortable for me to even bring up in this space.

            So all those Spanish football fans can go on hating Henry, with the full knowledge that their dislike isn’t supported by statistics. But they are the same ones who think that Krkic is ready for prime time, and sit in the Camp Nou stands calling for him every time an attacker (except for Messi) has a bad touch. Like I said, they ain’t too bright.

          • poipoi
            July 8, 2010

            who is the troll here? lol

            the dude is finally gone AND please don’t call spanish supporters or press stupid ’cause I can start it with the franchutes…. WE ARE WINNING THIS WC

            bet you wanted to keep him last year what a great decision, chigrisnkiy style lol

    • DontPanic
      July 6, 2010

      from tribalfootball

      Barcelona president Sandro Rosell insists coach Pep Guardiola wants to work with striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

      There has been reports that it is Guardiola who is driving for the sale of the Swede.

      But Rosell said last night: “Until otherwise noted, he is a player of Barça and surely next season will do better.

      “I know the coach wants Ibrahimovic and plans to get the maximum performance from the player because this is the way Pep works.”

      Rosell also revealed Barca had offers from interested clubs to take on-loan fringe trio Keirrison, Henrique and Alex Hleb for the new season.

  2. poipoi
    July 6, 2010

    oh, I guess this is not the year of chygrynskyi then, viva dimitro 😀

  3. July 6, 2010

    according to kxevin, k9 and adriano(henrique) were txiki’s signings?
    how is that? i thought the manager is the person who instructs txiki on whom to buy.
    btw every club makes a loss once in a while. so no problems to me. its just that last season we overpaid for two players in txiki and ibra. and by the looks of it, pep doesnt have ibra in his plans as well if you read pep’s or rosell’s interviews.
    what do you guys think of khedira from stuttgart? he looked good against us earlier and is looking good again for germany. however i dont think he would want to be sitting on the bench. and bayern are reportedly interested in him as well.
    btw happy independence day americans! [2days late 🙁 ]

    • Kxevin
      July 6, 2010

      Because the deals were in the pipeline when Guardiola came on board, and were completed. Txiki B. liked them, and signed them. The reason Guardiola didn’t use Keirrison, and didn’t really give Adriano a shot is because they weren’t his signings, as in he didn’t say “Hey, go out and get me a lanky, kinda slow defender and a young, rough-behind-the-ears poacher.”

      • Eklavya
        July 6, 2010

        Henrique has speed, the only who doesn’t – didn’t – was chiggy.

  4. vicsoc8
    July 6, 2010

    Copy and Paste because Isaiah posted while I was typing this up:

    I’m sad Txigrinski has been sold. Not because it’s proof that our transfer policy sucks (it doesn’t) but because I had hope for him and thought he had a lot of potential as well as being an extremely classy guy.

    The truly pressing issue is that we are extremely light at the back all of a sudden. Yaya could’ve played centerback with the best of them and with Txigrinski gone could’ve had a lot more playing time – this to me says that Pep really did want him to stay (However he’s gone to be the best payed player in Premier League history, and earn Seluk a fat paycheck).

    As we’ve been speculating about what attacking players to buy, all of a sudden we need a centerback, a backup right back, and a backup defensive midfielder.

    The worst part is besides Pique, we have no proven young centerbacks. Marquez may not even make it to the start of the season, Puyol is getting old, and Milito is still in his prime, but not getting younger.

    Out most important transfers now are all defensive. I think Jan Vertonghen and Van der Wiel are both essential and between the two of the would be able to adequately cover all three of our trouble positions.

    • July 6, 2010

      so you wrote this news of the day(Visco) but using Isaiah’s username?

    • Jim
      July 6, 2010

      Don’t think Yaya would’ve got much more playing time with Chygrynskyi gone as he wasn’t getting any . . . Also, not sure about Marquez not making it to the start of the season. Does this sale not imply he is staying? Otherwise, we’re looking for two CBs and a DM !!!

      I’d be happier if we made a decision on Cesc one way or another soon to get other positions sorted. Anyone coming in needs a full preseason with the team.

  5. July 6, 2010

    and do you guys reckon pep will use the youngsters from Barca B or will he let them play in segunda to get the best position as possible?

    or wouldnt they(barca) bother about the standings or achievements of Barca B? because that team is actually to prepare the youngsters for the 1st team but who knows, since they are in segunda, they would want to fight for the best positions..

  6. Stephen
    July 6, 2010

    Dmytro never got a chance to prove himself. But I can see how he couldnt .. there’s so much pressure for Barca to perform, and WIN anything that shows “weakness” we must do out with it (supposedly).
    Same with Ibrah, if we are not winning in style, with our forwards scoring 4 goals a piece, everyone’s unhappy. I have faith in Ibrah, he’s going to give us so much more this season, he didnt have a world cup, so he’s going to be top of his game. (faith)

    I wonder if Bojan’s going to stay? beginning of last season (because Ibrah was performing so well), everyone said OUT, ending of last season, everyone said YES…

    • MarioSilva (tutomate)
      July 6, 2010

      Agree with you. The good thing is that Pep seems to have more sense than most.

      On HeWhoShallNotBeNamed either buy him already or move on to more important things like CB and RB plus someone to replace Toure( he was the YAYA when he was a Barca player ).

      • Stephen
        July 6, 2010

        True, because he wont cheat cheaper… now its becoming some sort of circus, we know his coming, we refuse to accept, but we know.

  7. BA
    July 6, 2010

    has to be mean we’re bringing Barca B kids up. Chygrynskiy was a gigantic waste of money and if Txiki was responsible for that buy i feel much better that he’s gone.

    • July 6, 2010

      pep pushed for it.
      he wanted chiggy at any cost, eventhough he is cup tied.
      all on pep. dont blame txiki for this one

      • Kxevin
        July 6, 2010

        Txigrinski was definitely Guardiola’s buy. So will we be glad when Guardiola’s gone? Txiki B. was an integral part of the talent acquisition that made our club into the juggernaut that it is. Look at just the past four years, and the names that came into the side and what they meant to our success. No technical director bats 1000, and Txiki is no exception. I don’t understand the long knives coming out. Txiki is an idiot, Txigrinski is crap and a waste of money, the people behind the transfers are idiots.

        Guardiola was behind the Txigrinski and Ibrahimovic transfers, the two I will now call 13 Feet of Loathsomeness. As noted above, I expect the same impatience with Villa, or Fabregas if he comes.

        • Jim
          July 6, 2010

          I asked the question in an earlier post of what the balance between good and bad had been on the transfer front and I think you pointed out, Kxevin, that Pique and Keita had also been Pep’s buys which is a good point . Some of the wilder comments about our transfer policy I wouldn’t associate myself with as every club will buy duds from time to time. You’re right that the club has made some great buys from R10 onwards , which is when I started following their fortunes.

          However, Chygrynskiy was a dud by any standard. He always looked slow, couldn’t tackle properly and eventually Pep realised this and got rid of him, losing a whack of money in the process. That isn’t something to defend and I have to say it wasn’t hard to spot either – from way back. There’s no need to push it to these lengths asking if people will be glad to see the back of pep as well. He has been a great manager in all sorts of ways and I’m not hearing anyone calling for his head. I do wonder what he ever saw in Chiggy, just as I wonder what he saw in Ibra that made him think he would fit into our system. He may be a better manager than a buyer of players. I don’t know.

          It may also be that I am wrong about Ibra. I was forced to think again about Bojan towards the end of last season (still not completely convinced) and though I still don’t rate Pedro as a potential player of the very highest standard he has been proving me wrong as the season progressed. That doesn’t mean that we have “the knives out ” for any player any more than you do when you do your ratings. You give an opinion which we respect and then argue with 🙂

          I’m guessing that the same will come Villa and Fabregasc’s way if they don’t fit in or start scoring early next season. I’m sure you’ll point out the unfairness if it doesn’t happen. That’s fine. All I would say atm is that Villa seems a better fit on the surface than Ibra ever was and I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t score a barrowload next season.

          • DontPanic
            July 6, 2010

            I don’t think Keita is Pep’s buy. I remember reading somewhere that he had a buy-out clause of 14-15m in his contract with Sevilla, but only for Barcelona. Rest of the clubs would have to negotiate with Del Nido. The clause was a result of Barcas interest a year before, but for whatever reason the transfer didn’t go through.

          • Miguel
            July 6, 2010

            dontpanic,
            i don’t think dani alves was a pep buy either. not sure whether people were arguing that or not, but it seems as though his transfer had been in the pipeline for some time. that was a txiki transfer, although one he made to make amends for his purchase of zambrotta.

          • July 6, 2010

            Turns out that Guardiola didn’t make the decision to sell Txigrinski, the club (Rosell) did. And yes, the question does need to asked. After all, Guardiola made the decisions to bring him in, and people have said it was a stupid decision, and what the hell was the decision maker thinking. That shouldn’t change now that it’s Guardiola instead of Txiki B. That’s the double standard that vexes me. If Messi misses an open net, oh well, that’s the price of genius. If Ibrahimovic misses an open net, he’s a big, expensive failure who should be sold and replaced with Krkic, who can push open-net headers wide in Champions League semifinals. Yep, good deal.

            Cules don’t understand how good they have it, and they rip and second guess at everything. Txigrinski wasn’t a comprehensive failure. Like Hleb, he was very good before his injury. I have every match from last season on DVD. They’re worth watching again if you can get your hands on them via download or something.

            And I’m sorry, but the knives are definitely coming out. My match ratings are subjective evaluations of a player’s performance in that 90-minute time frame, rather than “He sucked all along.” The difference is significant.

            Pedro! is another example. He isn’t a player of the highest quality. He doesn’t know where to be on the pitch, except when it comes to scoring goals. Watch him run around like a chicken with its head cut off. He football awareness is improving, but still has a long way to go. Were our club as it should have been, he would have been a sub, as he will be this season.

            And I think you’re wrong about Villa and Fabregas. I think that people will give them a pass. But we will only have the option in one case, since Fabregas isn’t coming. Mark my words.

  8. ballbeav
    July 6, 2010

    whatever happened to swooping for robbie keane

  9. Dan
    July 6, 2010

    Could have atleast given him time to adapt before we sold him for so little?!!?
    I’d imagine it would be fairly tough switching from the Ukrainian league to La Liga.

    Just throwing money away. I bet we sell Ibra for 25m within 12 months aswell.

    Why is Rosell now coming out saying the Cesc deal is inflated because it’s been made public! WE MADE IT PUBLIC. We got our players and Prez to talk about him every other day, the only problem is, we expected Arsenal fans to get angry at Cesc but they haven’t, everyone (media and other fans) just laughs at how devious and disrespectful we’ve become. We look like a bunch of amateurs. The left foot doesn’t know what the right foot is doing.

  10. fcbfan
    July 6, 2010

    ok what I dnt get, why are we going to spend 40m on you know who when we supposedly don’t even have money to pay players salary?

    • Kxevin
      July 6, 2010

      Because Rosell has to say that to set up his save of the club’s finances. So Laporta was a spendthrift jackass who tried to kill the club with his lack of fiscal restraint. “Luckily I, Sandro Rosell, was able to do the Fabregas deal and solve the club’s money problems. Aren’t you glad you voted me in as president?”

  11. Kxevin
    July 6, 2010

    On the Txigrinski matter, as I noted in the previous post, for me it’s proof that Guardiola isn’t planning on a long-term stay. He doesn’t want to invest the time in a project, that would take probably another season to develop. Let’s get it done now, so why not sell him back to Shakhtar? I wouldn’t be surprised if Marquez stays, either, for that same reason of veteran solidity. You leave him on the roster, and pray that you never need him for anything too significant.

    Regarding Ibrahimovic, the club knew what it was getting into when it signed him. The salary and transfer fee place him in rarefied territory. If we’d tried to sell Ronaldinho when we should have, it would have been the same problem. Even worse, imagine being AC Milan and trying to sell him for what you paid for him. Recall that we bought him for 32m, and sold for around 21, plus another 4 or so in performance incentives.

    Bad business? No, because the shirt sales from him alone made up the difference, not to mention the media frenzy, great plays and all that jazz.

    We bought Villa for 40m, a number that Rosell thinks might be sort of semi okay. Does anyone think, even in 2-3 years, that we’re going to be able to sell Villa for what we paid for him? Players only appreciate in value when you buy them young and cheap, then sell them for a lot (The Yaya, for example).

  12. Kxevin
    July 6, 2010

    Now what should concern people more is the fact that Mediapro, the company with whom we signed a very lucrative TV deal rumored to be worth some 1 billion Euros by 2013, is in receivership. What that means for us and the TV deal, particularly in the context of the new FIFA fiscal responsibility rule, remains to be seen.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/bankruptcy/2010/06/18/mediapro-unit-files-for-bankruptcy/

    It’s also worth noting that Rosell denied any serious fiscal stresses at the club, while also announcing that ticket prices for socis will be going up 15% in a gradual phase-in over the next 5 years.

    • Miguel
      July 6, 2010

      wsj.com. i’m happy i have a stolen password to that newspaper ;^)

  13. July 6, 2010

    what a goal by GIO!!!!!
    the goal from forlan was nothing special. it was the ball’s fault, not the keeper. and no defender closed forlan down.
    im really sick of this adidas ball. they should cancelled the contract with adidas and get nike to sponsor fifa

  14. Jim
    July 6, 2010

    Played with it last night and its fine. My shots were all exactly the same amount wide of target that they were with our last ball 🙂

    • July 6, 2010

      exactly. he mustve been carrying a lucky charm or something.
      i do not understand how he goes for the whole tournament without getting suspended.
      i want holland to win but i really loathe van bommel. such a dirty character

  15. Well we are gonna get a European Champ for the first time outside of Europe. Steve Mcmannaman or whatever his name is, said Spain is gonna dominate the Germans starting with possession. I would love that. Bad break for the Germans with Muller out, I wanna play them at full strength.

  16. poipoi
    July 6, 2010

    holland already in the final, I really wanted them to win vs uruguay. I hope all national teams learn from this world cup… specially argentina and brazil. the teams still standing (Holland, Germany, Spain) like to treat the ball right and actually have some good midfielders. Screw ugly boring soccer. It is so much pleasure to hear Germany and Holland coaches saying that Spain showed them the way, that they want to play like spain does and so, it’s a dream come true… and besides we are in the semifinals!!!

    • July 6, 2010

      tbh, holland didnt play beautiful at all if you compare to the past teams.
      even in 2008 they played better and that was mostly withthe same players as they have now

  17. flyzowee
    July 6, 2010

    I wouldnt get your hopes up for the spain-germany game.
    I know both teams luv to play attacking football but like barcelona, spain just dont give you a choice against them.

    I forsee spain swalloing all the possession forcing germany to sit deep and hit on the counter.

    I also think iniesta will be key and by that i mean hes gotta take shots. I almost died during the paraguay match coz he got into so many good positions.

    I reckon villa would keep lahm quiet on the left.

    Busquests needs the game of his life though i must sdmit that ive been highly impressed with his distribution so far.

  18. Dave
    July 6, 2010

    Hey all,cheers for the news update. Just watched the match, what did everyone think of Carceres? Thought he did ok and showed a good turn of pace against Robben.And Van Bommel was-well,Van Bommel.

    • Miguel
      July 6, 2010

      i was keeping an eye on cáceres(not casaraz, as the english commentators were pronouncing it) to see if barca might think of bringing him back from his loan spell. he was ok. he did well vs robben because he & perreira doubled up on him a lot. it also helped that he was a right footed defender taking on an inverted winger who loves to cut in. as a squad player, & nothing more, he’d be aite.

      • Jnice
        July 6, 2010

        Caceres was okay, but he’s too clumsy for me. Also, he took forever to pass a ball and when he did pass it, it was choppy and stuff. We’re not missing anything.

  19. Dave
    July 6, 2010

    Just noticed that we’ve taken a loan to pay players,wtf! Levante style situation

  20. Jnice
    July 6, 2010

    From Pep’s (transfer blog) twitter:

    Chygrynskiy: “I spoke with Guardiola and he said it was the decision of the new president to sell me.”

    Wow. So much for Pep having any say in decisions about players.

    • Jnice
      July 6, 2010

      I meant to mention earlier how I thought the transfer was funny because a couple of weeks ago, Chygrynskiy’s brother/agent said his brother spoke with Pep right before they went to holidays and Pep told him he counted on him for next season.

    • Miguel
      July 6, 2010

      wow. if that’s true, that’s a real dickhead move from rosell. that’s him saying, “fuck your sporting plans, pep. i’m the boss.” no wonder nobody liked his punk ass. sandrito’s starting off on the wrong foot. first cruyff, now this. is running guardiola out of barcelona gonna be rosell’s legacy? asshole.

      article i found interesting:
      //http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2010/07/china_and_football

      • GREECE BARCA
        July 6, 2010

        hi guys i am nick 35 y from greece sorry for my english i am barca fan from 1990 stop attack t rosell and wait to see cause i am afraid that laporta made huge mistakes and we are in financials troubles

        • Kari
          July 6, 2010

          I WOULDN’T WORRY SO MUCH, GREECE BARCA (Nick). 😛

          All new administration say, “we’re in a tough spot financially” or something like that. Remember, this is the same guy who wants to spend 50+ mil on TheGuyWhoWarmsTheBenchForEspana (all though I hope Silva starts vs ze Germans, he’d be okay too. Anybody but Xabi “I want to be Xavi , so let me make the passes, there’s only one letter difference dammit!” Alonso…)

          If I’m not mistaken we actually made something like 400m in revenue…?

          We’ll see in due time. Anyways, welcome 🙂

    • Helge
      July 7, 2010

      That really sucks! Sport.es also has the story now.

      If Rosell continues like this, Pep will soon move to another club 🙁

  21. SoccerMom
    July 6, 2010

    I always liked Gio.
    He was like Deco’s angelic twin.
    Pablo the Pulpo for Spain!
    *http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/06/octopus-picks-spain-german-fans-despair/
    Bulls in the morning and football in the afternoon!
    ¡Viva!

  22. GREECE BARCA
    July 6, 2010

    WE HAVE TO WAIT ABOUT THE SALES OF TOURE AND THE JOKE FROM UKRAIN ITS TIME FOR US START SELL PLAYERS LAST YEAR WE SPEND 90 MILLION AND WHAT WE TAKE??

  23. GREECE BARCA
    July 6, 2010

    ABOUT IBRA I WANT TO KNOW HOW IS HIS SALARY.BECAUSE IF VILLA IS 5.5 THEN HE MUST HAVE THE SAME.HE IS NOT YOUNGER OR BETTER THAN VILLA

    • July 6, 2010

      Ibra is paid more than Villa, who now makes about 7 million a season with us. Ibra gets about 12 million if I’m not mistake, just 500,000 below Messi.

  24. GREECE BARCA
    July 6, 2010

    HERE IN GREECE WE ARE IN A VERY DANGER SITUATION WITH FINANACIAL PROBLEMS THE SAME WILL BE IN SPAIN DON.T EXPECT TRANSFERS WE HAVE TO BRING PLAYERS FROM LA MASIA AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT

  25. GREECE BARCA
    July 6, 2010

    a and for la masia we pay 30million a yeas it s not free!hehe!always proud be a barcelonista as all of you!see 2 tomorrow!

  26. vicsoc8
    July 6, 2010

    Sign me up for the “Selling Txigrinski was Rosell’s choice” train. Txigrinski was an unpopular character with a lot of cules (although I don’t understand it) and selling him allows Rosell to raise some funds to buy his own players.

    Say what you will about how poor Txigrinski looked at times last season, I think Pep thought he could work wonders with him given a few more seasons and patience. I wonder whether he could have – Marquez doesn’t have much pace but he still played as a rock in our backline during Pep’s first season. With more positional understanding and confidence Txigrinski may have come good. He was in the U21 European Championship team of the tournament in 2006.

  27. GREECE BARCA
    July 6, 2010

    thanx kari i am with you in this i hope rosell fix our financials cause he is a very clever businnesman!visco8 i think except seftsenko i dont remember any ukrain footballes succed in big club

  28. GREECE BARCA
    July 6, 2010

    THINK POSITIVE!WHEN I START SUPPORT BARCA WE HAVE 10LIGAS AND NO CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!IN 20 YEARS 10LIGAS AND 3 C.L WHOW!
    SO THE NEXT 20YEARS I HOPE 15LIGAS AND 7 C.L!HAHA THATS A DREAM!

  29. tutomate
    July 6, 2010

    Greece welcome! But note that all Caps is yelling and it husrts my eyes and ears.

    • Miguel
      July 6, 2010

      i keep picturing crazy gideon yelling football tactics when i read greece barca’s posts.
      *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODs4nxNnWM

  30. Kxevin
    July 6, 2010

    Rosell has to say that the finances are screwed up. He has to dump on everything that Laporta did. And if he overrode Guardiola on the Txigrinski move, I give him one more season as our coach, then he’s gone. I think that he is committed to staying this season, because he wants to see what he can do with this lineup, but I’d be shocked if he continues as our coach after this season.

    Yes, he’s signing a two-year deal, but I’m sure he has an option to bolt if he so chooses, and he will. If a coach can’t make transfer decisions, what’s the point of being the coach. The president doesn’t coach the players, after all.

  31. Rohanv
    July 6, 2010

    Exactly, the Chiggy sale is bad from both points of view.

    If it was Pep’s choice, then like Kxev said, it’s clear Guardiola’s not invested in him as a project (or at least as defensive cover, something we’re going to need) .

    But if it was Rosell’s decision, then Guardiola’s unlikely to stay with the club for very long anyhow.

    Laurent Blanc, how long are you going to stick with that NT?

  32. July 6, 2010

    THIS IS FOR YOU GREECE BARCA!!!
    *http://www.filehurricane.com/viewerthumbnails/528200820837PM_capslock.jpg

  33. July 6, 2010

    pep signed a contract for 2 years. so he realised that he doesnt have the time to wait for chiggy. pep needs trophies.

  34. Miguel
    July 6, 2010

    *http://worldcup.football365.com/wags-stags/0,28322,18830,00.html

    i think the netherlands are gonna take it.

  35. Bundy
    July 7, 2010

    Hmm, funny how already Rosell has lied to all of us with his promises to not interfere with sporting aspects of the club, and yet we all saw this coming before the election completed. The sad part was we couldn’t do anything about this.

    Its interesting now that Rosell actually decided to remove Chygry, well I don’t see this as a good sign, firstly Chygry did have some advantages especially in set pieces, we were a lot more secure defending corners and freekicks, and I can assure you he made himself dominate in the headering departement. This was one area where Barca have trouble with in defence and attack. Chygry had his problems, lack of confidence, lack of communication, but all these things were fixable. He was too slow? maybe, so was Pique in his first season, but now Pique can manage to keep up with the skinny ronaldo in a sprint.

    We all sit here and complain how we always end up underselling players like Henry and Ronaldinho and what not. BUt in this case, Chygrynsky was undersold but he wasn’t 30 years old, he was fricken 22, he had the potential, he just wasn’t given the proper time. I think this speaks a big mistake on Rosells behalf not PEP’s. We could have kept Chygrynsky longer, and he would have improved or atleast stayed the same (there was no chance he could have gotten any worse).

    I will say it again, The transfer wasn’t a failure of Pep’s, Rosell made it look like a failure because he made the mistake of selling him prematurely.

    I just hope for once Rosell shows any form of common sense or else I could have run for president. I don’t care if Im not a millionare and what not. But being president is a responsibility not a bloody pedestal.

  36. missingpage
    July 7, 2010

    First of all hi Nick from Greece, welcome to this very very addictive blog…and btw I’m from Greece too 🙂
    …On Barca topics i think we must try and look at it from all sides regarding Tsigri’s transfer…
    1. Can he play alongside Pique? No…he is his subtitude they have the same strengths and weakness

    2. Can he become better than Pique? Well I’ll take my chances and say NO WAY

    3. Even though he was Pep’s choice…pep himself showed very little trust in him with only 14 games while even Marquez had 23

    4.Caceres and Hleb were also Pep’s choices that also cost a LOT of money and did not get half a chance especially caceres…so we know by fact that pep can indeed make mistakes in that department

    5.If we take evilness out of our mind could it not be that Rossell asked Pep if he would be satisfied with a cantera footballer as a fourth or 5th (depending If Marquez stays) central defender?

  37. Bundy
    July 7, 2010

    hmm, I don’t know, I don’t see the point of selling chygry so early though.

    Hleb ran himself out of the squad tbh. He wasn’t patient and he just was too disrespectful with Pep’s decisions with substitutions and player selection, but again at that time competition was just too high and well Hleb was probably thinking a little too much of himself. Hleb wasn’t a bad player tbh.

    Caceres is a head scratcher but I think Pep wanted a central defender like Pique and Marquez, who can make long passes and play the ball from the back. Caceres was not a ball playing defender and well at Barcelona he probably would have been targeted at Barcelona. Thats a fair point on Peps behalfe. Caceres though was helpful in set-pieces and very quick. But again he does have major downfalls like temper and prone to get booked.

    As for Chygry, he fit the profile for Barcelona’s defence. He was for the future. One season was not enough and I think we all pretty much worked that out. But what makes me confused is, why see him now, when he couldn’t get any more cheaper tbh. If not, it saves us from buying another defender and starting all over again. Maybe he was sold for the youngsters and maybe Marquez is staying, but I thought Marquez maybe would stay for the second DM job. The other question is, why would Sandro sell Chygry now? there was no need to.

    • Jim
      July 7, 2010

      The question for the next few seasons at the back is really who takes over from Puyol. For me, we need to get someone with both height and pace who can tackle and is comfortable on the ball. Not asking much, eh? Was that Chiggy? Not from what I saw but we’ll never know now.

      What I don’t like is the interference in buying and selling. That is always a quick way to lose your coach. I think most of us feel we’ll be lucky to get more than another season out of Pep anyway unless he can learn to chill out a bit.

  38. mei
    July 7, 2010

    whats a head scratcher for me is why do you blame everything on rosell.
    I dont like the guy since 2005 but that doesnt mean that he cant make the right decisions .
    It seems surprising that for a player that had several disastrous performanes, weak attributes for barca , cup tied along with a huge pricetag everyone tries to blame it on rosell for “not being patient enough”.
    Im sorry but patience in football clubs is never a narrow minded aspect ; it depends on lots of things such as , promising performances, attributes that indicate a raw talent but could be shaped in your club.Having a huge pricetag on your back rightfully raises expectations , and this should be included in the “patience” factors.Rosell made a calculated decicion on this , if someone is to blame thats pep unfortunately.
    The sixtuple coach needs to be more thoughtful and less arrogant on such players , just because the club might have the money , doesnt mean you can drop it for a definitely unproven player , cup tied that didnt nearly play enough anyway.
    He is young and he can learn but this is a bit worrying .
    About president interference :
    Presidents interfere with transfers via numerous ways , this is not football manager.
    In situations like the former mentioned they should too; pep made a mistake , thats fine , but someone must take a decision before the whole situation results in a total loss for us .
    Coaches cant deal with the financial aspects of signings , or even the relation policies between clubs anyway so they cant really know if a transfer is possible even if they “request” it.

    • Bundy
      July 7, 2010

      Well sorry mate, a week ago Rosell promised he will not interfere with sporting aspects of the club, and within days he does the opposite. So now after one week, what does that make people think about this guy, should he be trusted? will he ever do anything he promised before the election, or will he do the complete opposite.

      Sorry mate, but he made the wrong decision to sell Chgrynsky so early, what gives him the right to make a call over Pep? Is Rosell more qualified to make tactical decision of the team? Has Rosell coached Barcelona for the last two seasons? no, so what makes his opinion of Chygrynsky so strong? more so than Pep. Secondly Chygrynsky is not a 30 year old player, nor is he a player that has been shipped from the otherside of the world with no experience in european football. If im not mistaken, Chygrynsky was captain at Shaktar, if not then he was an important figure in the team, he was a starting role in the Ukrainian national team no? But that shouldn’t label him as a very good player. But, what really does is performance.

      We all saw how bad Chygrynsky was, living up to everyone’s expectations in his first season, with so many other past players failing in their first its no concrete proof of whether he will succeed or not at our club, because well one season is not enough time, ecpecially when cup tied.

      But mate, both money wise and sporting wise it was a better decision to keep Chygrynsky because he was still young and he was a working project. If we waited atleast one more season then maybe it would be better to sell him then, if not the oh well. But again selling Chygrynky was a very fishy move from Rosell, I don’t know exactly what he is trying to do, but its not looking good.

  39. July 7, 2010

    and im sure rosell asked pep before making this decision.
    i predict that pep doesnt want to stay longer than 2 years, thats why he has no time to wait for chiggy to come good. pep wants to win titles and therefore he needs quality players

    • Bundy
      July 7, 2010

      But why would Rosell want to sell Chygry now? that is the big question.

      Pep wanted him to stay, it doesn’t matter if Pep ended up agreeing, it was Rosell’s decision.

      But why, is it money matters? come on, we are not that desperate.

      • July 7, 2010

        we dont know whether pep agreed to this or not.
        and im sure rosell checked with pep first before making a decision like this.

  40. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    our squad keepers:valdez pinto ? defense:alvez,maxwell,pique,captain,milito,marquez,abidal midf:sergio(fantastic in w.c)xavi,andres,keita attack:leo,ibra,villa,pedro,bojan..so 7 defenders 4 midf 5 attackers WE NEED 3 PLAYERS I GUESS..

    • ballbeav
      July 7, 2010

      have a look at ciarans post from a few days ago he summarized our needs quite well. then you can think about something else.

  41. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    thanx man!by the way i believe that in 2 years busquets will be the best midfielder in the world!that boy has amazing skills i hope muniesa bartra and tiago have the same evolution!

  42. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    about leo a doctor from argentina squad said before w.c that leo was very tired.don.t forget leo problem when was 13 he needs special treatment from ous doctors to not get injured and stay fit

  43. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    and forgive me i know i talk a lot but i read this blog a year know and i am glad that there are so many people who love barca and know so much about football!

  44. Flyzowee
    July 7, 2010

    A little nervous about the game tonight, its amazing to think that i don’t actually see Spain as the favourites in this game.

    Torres please wake up!

  45. Flyzowee
    July 7, 2010

    Villa will be marked throughout the game with no other real genuine goal threat- Did i just say that about Spain?

  46. Kxevin
    July 7, 2010

    Rosell has quite the quandary right now, in that he has to make Laporta seem like a Euro-insane spending maniac who left the club in horrible shape, without making anyone panic.

    He isn’t doing so hot right now, and doesn’t realize that “We couldn’t pay our players last month. Damn that Laporta!” and “We have 90m for player transfers” aren’t exactly delivering the same message to a media who wants to simplify. So the message that comes out is “Barca is going to hell in a fiscal handbasket!”

    And the twins, EMD and Sport, are letting him have it over the Cruijff situation, as well they should.

    • July 7, 2010

      i really could not understand that one.
      we cant pay our player’s salaries and yet we can afford cesc.

      btw i translated this page. it sounded funny esp the 2nd paragraph.
      he talked about his daughter while comparing to the situation portrayed by sala i martin
      **http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/gen/2…n-cobrado.html

  47. goonerinbarça
    July 7, 2010

    I don’t mean to say I told you so but well… I told you so! I came on here about a month ago saying that Barça simply couldn’t afford Cesc and was swiftly shouted down. Now it’s come out in the news that you couldn’t pay the players wages and have had to take out a ginormous loan to cover all the costs. Selling Yaya (albeit with a huge profit) and the Ukrainian with the unspellable name doesn’t exactly show off a club with great finances.

    What Rosell is doing is undoubtedly propaganda but you don’t just take out a €125m loan to get one up on the previous president. The fact is after signing Villa (for way too much for a player that has virtually no resale value) you simply can’t afford to buy Cesc. Like I’ve said before Arsenal will not held to ransom by either Cesc or Barça. He’s got 5 years left on £110k a week, we’re in a pretty good position. If we say we want £60m (or more) you’d better come back with that much otherwise he’s going absolutely nowhere. If Rosell won’t pay more than £40m (the grand total of Barça’s transfer budget) then it looks like Cesc will be staying for at least another year.

    In fact I’m so confident of Cesc staying I’ve already pre-ordered my new Arsenal home shirt with #4 “El Nostre” on the back (google translate it for those who don’t know Catalunyan 😉 )

    • vicsoc8
      July 7, 2010

      You’re preaching to the choir here. It’s fine with most of us if Cesc doesn’t come.

      Arsenal will however, have to deal with a captain whose mind is already frolicking in greener pastures. Let us know how that goes later in the year will you?

    • Hilal
      July 7, 2010

      And thank god for that. Hopefully this ends all the Cesc silliness. We dont need him and he would be the biggest waste of money. I also hope that his time at the WC has made him realise that he has no place in the starting 11 for Barca the same way he no place in the starting 11 for Spain. You can keep him and I really hope you do. I would much rather save the money or spend it on reinforcements elsewhere..

    • Kxevin
      July 7, 2010

      I would suggest that you not be so sucked in by politics. Rosell has to paint a dire fiscal picture. In the same press conference, he said that we have almost 90m Euros to spend on player transfers this season. And that’s after having bought Villa.

      As I noted above, Rosell has to make Laporta seem like a nit, and make himself seem the pinnacle of parsimonious goodness, while not panicking anyone. He’s failed, so people are missing the key part of his message, which is that:

      1. The club isn’t in financial trouble. Far from it.
      2. The club has 89m for player transfers. That means that we could buy Fabregas and a couple of other squad players.

      What Rosell meant by his comments is that we won’t overpay for Fabregas, which is sound, given that there really isn’t a place for him in our starting XI. As we all know, Spain’s starting midfield is, with the exception of Xabi Alonso, Barca’s starting midfield. And we aren’t going to sit Keita because Fabregas can’t do for us what Keita does.

      Now, I don’t blame the media for wanting to take us down a peg or two, which is why many of them are ignoring the other part of Rosell’s message.

      • Kari
        July 7, 2010

        As we all know, Spain’s starting midfield is, with the exception of Xabi Alonso, Barca’s starting midfield

        Alonso shouldn’t be there. Honestly, it’s like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Spain lack fluidity whenever he’s in the lineup…

  48. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    i just read some rumors about patrick evra join us 4 20million no bad at all

  49. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    60 MILLION FOR CESC??HAHA WHAT A JOKE!!ABOUT VILLA 40 WAS A VERY GOOD PRICE IF YOU THINK WE BUY IBRA FOR 46+ETO…

    • vicsoc8
      July 7, 2010

      Welcome to the website friend. Can I request you avoid using all-caps? It hurts my eyes. Thanks.

      • MarioSilva (tutomate)
        July 7, 2010

        Lol that makes two of us. Sorry Greece no offense.

  50. vicsoc8
    July 7, 2010

    I’m going to float an idea which hasn’t been discussed yet regarding Txigrinski.

    As a warning up front, it is quite the cynical thought, so let me have it if you disagree.

    Is it possible that the words coming out about Pep wanting to keep Txigrinski and putting the sale of Txigrinski at Rosell’s feet is a form of protecting Pep and his reputation? Say Pep meets Rosell and says “Listen, Txigrinski hasn’t lived up to my expectations, and isn’t likely too, but he was my personal project, and if I agree to sell him it will reflect poorly on my handling of the team and buying players.” How to get out of this problem? Well, sell Txigrinski for as much as possible while giving reports that Pep still counted on him. This way you get rid of a player who isn’t wanted and protect Pep’s reputation in the process.

    This is purely speculation, because speculating during the transfer season is enjoyable. Have I entered conspiracy land?

    • messi_fan
      July 7, 2010

      Yes 🙂

      Honestly, the same thought came to my mind briefly but based on what I’ve seen of Rossell, he’s too concerned about his reputation to worry about protecting someone else’s.

      • July 7, 2010

        but when pep told chiggy that he will count on him was a last month.
        many things have changed since then, so yeah, i think it wasnt rosells decision.
        rosell finalized the deal but it was pep who instructed him

    • Kxevin
      July 7, 2010

      You have, vicsoc. Pep has too much class for that, and a history of owning up to his mistakes. It’s another reason I think that he isn’t long for us. The ideal relationship for him would be the one that he had with Laporta: “You work the purse strings, and let me worry about the pitch.” And it worked. Having a president who thinks he knows better ain’t exactly a party for a strong-minded coach such as Guardiola.

    • DontPanic
      July 7, 2010

      Those are my thoughts to. Maybe I’m wrong, but with Chiggy sale somebody IS going to be blamed. It was either Pep (for a bad transfer) or Rosell (for interfering with Pep’s work). It is better to blame the president than the coach, because he isn’t in day-to-day contacts with the players.

      All of this reminds me of last years saga with Eto’o. Remember when Samu said that Pep told him “see you after the vacations”. Later on the club tried to sell him and Samu was livid because he thought he was in Pep’s plans. Well he wasn’t. We know of Pep’s statements about “a feeling” later on. I understood that as a way of protecting the coach in case the transfer failed. Coach can always say to the player “club tried to sell you, not me”. And player would be pissed at the president and not with the person he has to work with every day.

      Sorry for my English.

  51. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    hehe no more caps friend!by the way i have a question…what if laporta buy tsigrinski for 10million and the rest 15 gone to some pockets..same about keirison and henrique..i smell some corruption..who knows..

  52. Kxevin
    July 7, 2010

    Greece Barca, welcome and consider this a very gentle warning: All future all-caps posts will be deleted. Not edited, but deleted. We all love the fervor, just not the all-caps. Thanks.

  53. goonerinbarça
    July 7, 2010

    Indeed I do know the majority of the people on here see no need for Cesc. After watching most of last season (and going to Camp Nou 6 times) your most pressing need is definitely a left back and possibly a defensive midfielder (something Cesc isn’t really capable of).

    Indeed we will have to deal with Cesc wanting to move (I’m not so blind as to not acknowledge he wants to move) but like I said he’s on a big wage. Contrary to what UEFA and Platini say he is not a slave. If being a slave involves being on £110k a week then sign me up and put me in chains!

    And yes £60m is a fair price for Cesc based on what Barça have paid for players in the past and other transfers. Bear with me a minute while I explain:

    -sign Cesc for £60m now and you can get 5 or 6 years out of him and STILL make a profit on him by selling to a club like Milan as he will still be under 30. This is compared to Villa who is about to turn 29 and you’ll be lucky to see €10m of the €40m if you re-sold him in 2 or 3 years (not because of his ability but because of his age)
    -Arsenal classify him as in the same bracket as Ronaldo, Kaka or other Galacticos. Whether you agree with that or not that is the price on his head.
    -Barça have set a bar for the prices they pay €25m for the Ukrainian, £28m for Alves, £40m+Eto’o for Ibra etc etc etc If you’re going to pay that much for these players, then Arsenal want a slice of the pie

    • Kxevin
      July 7, 2010

      See my response to the fiscal question above. You’re right about our needs, which are a solid replacement for The Yaya, and a reliable backup at right back. Maxwell does just fine at left back.

      –You’re right about Villa. I made that point in another post in which people were howling about recent transfer decisions. I get the buy, but people will be screaming in a few years when we wind up giving Villa a Henry deal to leave.

      –Arsenal can classify him as they like and frankly, if Kaka is worth what EE paid for him, they probably aren’t far off the mark. That price is, however, as we all know, a sign that says “Keep away.” Bayern put a similar price tag on Ribery, though I rather imagine that tag has come down a bit.

      –Again, can’t argue with you. After paying 25m for a defender who we sold the next year, when we come calling, people will see Euro signs in their eyes.

      As I see it, Wenger can sell Fabregas, reap the fiscal benefits and do some smart business that will make Arsenal a stronger club, rather than sticking to his obstinacy (this matter really is personal, which is a shame) and keeping Fabregas. Because with the moves that Citeh has made, they’re going to be coming up for somebody’s spot in Europe next season, irrespective of anyone’s view of a DM being the highest-paid player in the Prem.

      I know he doesn’t need our money to buy players, but a 45m or so chunk sure would help matters.

  54. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    guys soru for the caps.i don.t know whats wrong i don.t write again.only read.

    • vicsoc8
      July 7, 2010

      Don’t get me wrong, we’re more than happy to have you post.

    • Kari
      July 7, 2010

      Yeah, you can still write. It’s just that the caps are a bit distracting.

    • Jnice
      July 7, 2010

      Your contributions are welcome, don’t stop writing, just learn to write without caps. We could always use more posters.

  55. Eklavya
    July 7, 2010

    We could use some Henrique or Botia.

    • July 7, 2010

      The former is sold, while the latter has been deemed inadequate. I don’t think he’ll get a shot with us again.

      What I’m most curious about this season is seeing how Dos Santos and Alcantara develop.

      • vicsoc8
        July 7, 2010

        I’m going to disagree with you on Botia. Botia was getting on the older side and as I understand wanted to go out and get first team experience. The buyback clause in any of the next three years is crucial. If he develops into a beast at the back you better believe he’ll be coming back.

        Although I should say this also depends on the development of the other canteranos who are coming up in his position, as Bartra and Muniesa, and possibly Fontas, are perceived to be better options.

        • Eklavya
          July 7, 2010

          I think Kxevin meant to say the Botia is the one who has been sold and Henrique’s the one who is deemed inadequate.

          Remember we were getting all sorts of “good” reports about Henrique in his loan at Bayern. They seem pretty much the same as the ones we got about Botia last season.

          All I’m saying that we could use a good squad player. Or at least give one another chance in the preseason!

          • vicsoc8
            July 7, 2010

            Couldn’t agree more. Our transfers for the rest of the season need to focus on bringing in quality, versatile squad players. We really don’t need any more superstar signings.

      • Kxevin
        July 7, 2010

        Yes, I got my “former” and “latter” mixed up. Botia is sold, Adriano has been deemed inadequate.

    • vicsoc8
      July 7, 2010

      Agreed in principle. Meaning: if we go out and buy a young defender, when we just sold one for 15 million who Pep had plans for, then I’m going to be extremely unhappy.

      • Kxevin
        July 7, 2010

        Not if it’s Van Der Wiel. Alves has another season, two at most with us. I’m surprised we didn’t cash in on him this season, frankly. I think we would have, had we had a quality right back to throw right in there right away. Alves’ value will, like that of The Yaya, never be higher than it is right now.

        • vicsoc8
          July 7, 2010

          Touche. As someone who advocated Van der Wiel, I couldn’t agree more.

          I was thinking buying someone in the Txigrinski mold, a big, strong central defender.

          • Kxevin
            July 7, 2010

            It makes his sale all the more vexing. He kicked ass on set pieces, was an excellent long passer and advanced the ball very well. All while battling injuries, a lack of communication and a difficult system. His up side was huge, and I’m sure that Shakhtar is glad to have him back, judging by how much they paid, which is something I think that, contextually, speaks fairly eloquently about his talent. A club that size doesn’t splash 15m very often.

          • Eklavya
            July 7, 2010

            Whoa whoa whoa! Sell Alves?! I wouldn’t sell him even after 2 seasons. We would lose a lot in our right side without him. Van der Wiel? Come on Alves is one of the best RBs. Then there’s the youngsters or Henrique who could cover up for him when necessary. I do believe he should be rested more often. As athletic as he is, if he doesn’t get benched once in a while his play gos down.

  56. MarioSilva (tutomate)
    July 7, 2010

    I think what must have happened was that Rossell asked Pep for a list of the players and their status in Pep’s plans with the squad. With maybe 3 categories.
    1. Indispensable(those that pep absolutely needs and are vital to the club ex. Xavi,Iniesta, Messi)
    2. Dispensable( those that Guardiola wants, but aren’t absolutely vital to the club ex. Marquez,Txigrinski,Milito)
    3. Surplus to goods(those that pep has no plans for in his squad ex.Hleb, Henrique)

    I know this is something that coaches often give to the club so that the Sporting Director can buy or sell accordingly.

    As much as Rossell seems to be duplicitous I just don’t see him meddling in pep’s affairs so early on. Pep is untouchable right now and he still has not renewed his contract. Though Dumbo said there was a verbal agreement of terms.

  57. Jnice
    July 7, 2010

    Sid Lowe and Spanish media reporting Pedro is in for Torres.

    Spain’s XI: Casillas, Ramos, Puyol, Pique, Capdevila, Busquets, Alonso, Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, Pedro.

    • Kari
      July 7, 2010

      YES!

      Pedro!, Pedro!, Pedro!

      But Xabi Alonso is starting. Stay outta Xavi’s way, you!

    • Kari
      July 7, 2010

      FAIL.

      My software teacher shakes his head in shame.

  58. July 7, 2010

    greecebarca>>
    **http://z31-ae.com/spork/images/demotivators/CapsLock.jpg

    btw according to spanish dailies, pedro will get a start

  59. Helge
    July 7, 2010

    Wow! That’s a very HUGE surprise 😀

    So it will be 7 players from Barcelona. If they play 7/11 as strong as we usually do, Germany will today be shown their limits!

  60. El Tel
    July 7, 2010

    Yup, Pedro’s starting. That makes 7 Barca players in the starting 11.

    PS. No Liveblog for today’s match?

  61. Miguel
    July 7, 2010

    i told the afghani parking attendant @my work not to tell me the score when i leave for my lunchbreak. i just hope i can keep from peeking for the next two hours.

  62. Kari
    July 7, 2010

    All lineups according to Marca (so it can’t be right 😛 )

    Spain lineup

    Valdes Casillas
    Ramos (boo!) – Pique – Puyol – Capdevilla
    Xavi – Busi – Alonso (it’s all your fault Iniesta’s on the left wing! Boo!)
    Pedro! – Villa – Iniesta

    Germany Lineup (without Muller!)

    Neuer
    Lahm – Mertesacker – Friedrich – Boeteng
    Khedira – Schweinsteiger
    Kroos – Ozil – Podolski
    Klose

    Kroos is obviously the new face here.

    (If there is another coding fail (i.e Valdes), just ignore it. Or laugh at my pathetic attempt at it, and then ignore it. Either way is fine (unless I actually get it right. Then the laugh’s on you 😀 ))

    • Helge
      July 7, 2010

      Trochowski will play instead of Kroos.

      That’s actually good news, because normally Trochowski is a lot worse than Kroos. At very rare occasions, Trochowski plays a brilliant football, but I’d say that in 70% of his matches, he is disappointing.

      • July 7, 2010

        In my game preview, I predicted that Trochowski will start. No brainer.

      • Kari
        July 7, 2010

        Yeah, they just updated it.

        I confess I don’t know much about Trochowski except that he really wanted to play for Poland but they didn’t call him up. He just had to settle for Germany 😛

        I do however know of Toni Kroos. He was at the same u-17 WC as our very own Bojangles in Korea in ’07, and plays his trade at Bayer Leverkesen. Good thing he ain’t in the starting XI!

  63. July 7, 2010

    Its not easy to prioritize our needs now if we want to be realistic. It depends on lot of variables and on the way Pep is planning to use his players.

    If he do not see Abidal as an option for CB position (Crises option) then we are more in need to buy a CB than a RB/LB. Especially if Marquez left. Milito is a player I defended during his injury period, but he is still not a certainty when it come to injury status. One long term injury for Puyol, Pique, or Milito and we are on the thin wire. I am aware we have Fontas and co, but its still too early to count them in as indispensable players (which is the case if we dont buy). Bartra and Muniesa can play as fullbacks and as center backs which will give them enough time for rotation if Pep has the intention to use (any of) them. With Puyol and Milito having -at most- two seasons to play as starters, a new signing will not block the youth way. Pique+new signing+the youth who prove their worth sounds reasonable bet for me. Abidal has a direct back up (Maxwell) a crises back up (Puyol) and a youth back up (Muniesa). Alves has a direct back up (Maxwell) a crises back up (Puyol), a tested back up (Maxwell) and a youth back up (Bartra). We can still manage if a fullback got injured (if we sign a CB), but with one of the 3 CB getting injured, we cant survive. Even if Abidal is considered as a CB option, I prefer keeping him in his position with a better CB in place rather than using him as a backup CB with his backup as a LB.

    – We need a holding midfielder (again, especially if Marquez leaves). Busquets cant do it all alone. Even if We consider Pique as a decent option as a holding midfielder we cant gamble moving him from his position as a CB in crutial game, which we might be forced to do if Busquets was not available).

    We can make it even without a CM. We have Iniesta, Xavi, and Keita. We have Busquets as an additional option (if we signed a holding midfielder). We have Messi as well especially now after we signed Villa. Having Messi in the midfield behind Villa-Ibra-Pedro is not exactly a catastrophic option. And we have JDS and Thiago (who-in his new contract-force us to use him in the first team if we are planning to keep him). I have no concerns for that position.

    The offense is complete. Messi-Ibra-Villa with Pedro-Bojan-Jeffren and Iniesta as a crises option on the flank. Even without two of the key starters we can still manage.

    Thats why I think a CB and a DM are the priorities. If we cant find a reliable CB or a DM, then we must not offload Marquez at any cost. But in the worst cases, we need one of the two positions to be filled. Both needed, for me to have peaceful thoughts about the following season.

  64. July 7, 2010

    Benching Torres is the big news, though. Lets hope Pedro installs his scoring genetic gift in the offense machine.

    • Kxevin
      July 7, 2010

      He sure did against Paraguay. Still don’t know how he hit the post. This match will be interesting. I contend that Spain has the same problems as Barca (well, because it essentially IS Barca), in that the offense is so logical that it becomes easy to defend. It’s also what makes Pedro! so effective, because there isn’t a shard of discernible logic to his running around. Over here! Over there! Left! Right! Huh?

      But man, can he make the run. Watching him time that run was glorious, and perfect. Would have been even better if he hadn’t hit the post, but that’s life. The real question will be how happy will P! be as a substitute, and for how long.

  65. Jim
    July 7, 2010

    This is gonna be interesting. As said earlier I haven’t had Pedro down as this class of player but boy do I want him to prove me wrong. Go Spain !!!!!!!

  66. Vj
    July 7, 2010

    LOL Streaker.. he wasn’t naked though..

  67. July 7, 2010

    Predictable. The team need a Torres. At least, Villa need a Torres. As long as he cant has an Ibra 😀

  68. Eklavya
    July 7, 2010

    What happened to the old fat, slow security guys? Since when did they gets replaced by fast black ninja ops? 🙂

  69. Jnice
    July 7, 2010

    Zonal Marking: “Sergio Busquets is absolutely superb, best player on the pitch so far. 40 passes attempted, 39 completed!”

    “Busquets’ distribution of passes: Casillas 1, Ramos 4, Pique 3, Puyol 3, Capdevila 2, Alonso 4, Xavi 7, Iniesta 3, Pedro 7, Villa 2”

  70. Jim
    July 7, 2010

    We need a CF . Maybe Torres or at least Alonso off and Fabregasc on.

  71. Kari
    July 7, 2010

    PEDRO! WHY DIDN’T YOU PASS?!?!?!

    I hope this doesn’t come back to bite Spain in the arse 🙁 Del Bosque also takes Villa off and for Torres. What if Germany equalize?

    Oh man…

  72. Kari
    July 7, 2010

    SPAIN GO THROUGH THANKS TO YET ANOTHER BARCA GOAL! SPAIN WERE THE BETTER TEAM FROM BEGINNING TO END!

    PUYI! PUYI! PUYI!

    CONGRATS POI POI! THERE WILL BE A NEW WORLD CUP CHAMPION THIS YEAR!

  73. Jnice
    July 7, 2010

    Why ruin your good match, Pedro?! Disgraceful selfishness.

    That said, Spain deserved to win that. Puyol with a goal reminiscent of the one he scored in the 2-6. Busi had a monster match. Xavi and Iniesta really good, Puyol beast, I thought Pique was too wasteful with his passing and Villa was okay.

    • Vj
      July 7, 2010

      He was lurking near the box unmarked and then.. WHAM!!!

      • Kari
        July 7, 2010

        How about Podolski literally leaning on the post? That must have pissed Neuer and Low off. Had he been on the line like he was supoosed to, he could have headed that off the line.

        Good thing he didn’t though 😛

        Suicidal from Germany not to pick up one of the best headers of the ball for Spain

  74. OhYes
    July 7, 2010

    Oh man what was Busi thinking! Chance to put Spain 2-0 up and finish the game. Ugh.

    Anyway, Holland is next. Umm… is it right to be confident about that match? Germany was defending so well and I think their defense and midfield is better than Holland’s.

    Nice goal by Puyol..had to bust in front of Pique who I think didn’t stand much of a chance but still! Good that Spain basically == Barcelona in terms of who’s putting in all the work.

  75. lovelymofo
    July 7, 2010

    PUYIIIIII! My man of the match. Fantastic header! Have all of Spain’s goals been scored by Barça players?

    Also – HAHAHA in your face stupid Alexis Lalas. Who is weak now?

      • Kari
        July 7, 2010

        Iniesta of course. Just with horns and, umm, digitally tanned.

      • lovelymofo
        July 7, 2010

        What Kari said. Iniesta, as always! I got the image from this cartoon thing from the Euro’s where they depicted each member of the Spanish teams with horns (toros!).

  76. MarioSilva (tutomate)
    July 7, 2010

    Except for that spoiled chance Pedro! had a good match though.

    • cliveee
      July 7, 2010

      he really should have slid that ball to Torres.

      • cliveee
        July 7, 2010

        so that Torres will continue to be the nightmare of Germany for the years to come.

  77. Kari
    July 7, 2010

    Paul the Octopus does it again (who actually believe this?!).

    He’s dead (and if he “predicts” (read: floats towards to the shinier box) a Uruguay victory, they’ll spit on its grave).

    • Blow-Grenade
      July 7, 2010

      Holy cow!!! I just saw the video yesterday.

      • Blow-Grenade
        July 7, 2010

        I mean the video of the Octopus predicting Spanish victory.

    • lovelymofo
      July 7, 2010

      Dude, don’t mess with Paul the Octopus, he’s the most effective 8-ball ever! Hee.

  78. Vj
    July 7, 2010

    So we get a new winner, the 8th..

    Vamos Espana! Visca Barca!

  79. Blow-Grenade
    July 7, 2010

    Excellent game from Spain. Pedro could have done better with his pass to Torres. But, Pedro did very well overall. Great team victory for Spain. An absolutely great game from both sides. It was lovely to watch this game for me.

  80. joe91
    July 7, 2010

    let this game be a lesson to those who believe that villa can lead our line against well organized defenses. obviously not saying he doesn’t have a place in our front three, but I really hope we don’t lose Ibra.

    • MarioSilva (tutomate)
      July 7, 2010

      Yes, every time he has scored in this WC againts an organized D he has scored from the L-Wing.

  81. Bebop
    July 7, 2010

    Captain Caveman FTW!!
    YEaah.. 1 more to go..
    Busi, MOM today for me.. He has really develop since that disgraceful incident against inter.
    I think Spain will play their usual line up in the final.
    with Villa-torres-iniesta.
    I believe torres will step up like the euro final. But if he goes of form again, there’s still llorente or a winger/midfielder.
    Spains depth is Immense.. Imagine you have Silva, Pedro, Navas, Mata, Cesc, for bench..

    • MarioSilva (tutomate)
      July 7, 2010

      Busi was awesome, YAYA who?

  82. lovelymofo
    July 7, 2010

    Alexis Lalas is to the World Cup as Sid Lowe is to La Liga. In other words, Alexis Lalas is tipping Netherland for the win, just like Sid Lowe picked EE for the win. I think we all know how that’s going to end.

  83. So the big question is, if we win, does Puli call it a career for Spain, going out on top, and are there any other players who may say bye if Spain is victorious?

    • Jnice
      July 7, 2010

      Well, I don’t think Puyol will retire just yet. I think this is definitely his last WC, but he might wanna make one more go at Euros 2012. Whether he would be starting, I don’t know.

    • July 7, 2010

      If I am not mistaken, he already mentioned before the tournament that this world cup will be his last adventure with the national team.

      • Jnice
        July 7, 2010

        Oh, I thought he said he would think about it.

  84. July 7, 2010

    i hope del bosque keeps the same line-up for the final.
    im sorry mia familia, but im rooting for spain

    • MarioSilva (tutomate)
      July 7, 2010

      Spain is playing? I was so sure it was our new kits.

  85. MarioSilva (tutomate)
    July 7, 2010

    *http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/07/william-gallas-blames-raymond-domenech

    In other news: Oxygen is vital for life.

  86. cliveee
    July 7, 2010

    VISCA CARLES PUYOL OUR CAPTAIN!! FOREVER PUYOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  87. Helge
    July 7, 2010

    VISCA EL BARCA !!!

    What a match from Spain, I KNEW it that Germany isn’t nearly as strong as the media made them once they don’t get an early goal, face a better defence and cannot rely on counter-attacks only. Although I’m German, I’m sooo satisified that Spain won. This was another win for the Barcelona-esque football 🙂

    • Vj
      July 7, 2010

      They scored most of their goals from counters though they did threaten more than a few times – The build up to that Kroos shot was excellent.. Have to say, we unearthed a gem in Piqué.. Maybe we can loan a few canteranos to Man Utd for similar development 😛

      Pretty awesome to put club before nation, I tip my hat to you!

  88. Eklavya
    July 7, 2010

    Oh yeah last comment

    How do you do strikeout Kari? I’ve been trying to do it for years!

    • Vj
      July 7, 2010

      Studied that for countless vivas/tests, still can’t remember the tag..

      /http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_strike.asp

  89. Jim
    July 7, 2010

    I have to say that was an impressive match from Pedro.

    How do i occupy myself till Sunday now ?

  90. Kari
    July 7, 2010

    You know how to bold words right? It’s the same thing except you use the word “strike” instead of “bold” or “b”.

    The code:

    insert word(s) here

    Just take out the spaces between the two “” and the word strike and you get this for example:

    Torres has a chance to pass to a wide open Silva in the 88th min against a tiring German side. He Pedros it messes up the pass and kills a goal scoring opportunity.

    • Kari
      July 7, 2010

      Well, that failed horribly. Not only did I not reply to the person this was directed to, my code and explanation messes up.

      Sigh.

      Anyway, Eklavya, just go here: *http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/_STRIKE.html or check out Vj’s link.

      • Vj
        July 7, 2010

        You deserve credit for trying..

        “Pedros it” LOL.. That was a pretty awful pass there by Torres.. Kinda summed up his tournament…

  91. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    so proud our cantera boys show to the whole world what barca brings to the game.pedro will be the next big thing and busquets made the perfect match.imagine that squad with alvez,abidal,leo,ibra..

  92. Helge
    July 7, 2010

    Wow, this must also be an historic moment!

    AS.com’s leading article reads “Visca Espana” – not “Viva Espana” 🙂

    • missingpage
      July 8, 2010

      Yep! I saw that too and thought it was very cool from them…hope this world cup helps them in that way…

    • Helge
      July 7, 2010

      Wow, this article really touched me emotionally nore than anything I’ve read in the last months!
      Thanks for sharing it, I even bookmarked it alrady 😀

      • lovelymofo
        July 7, 2010

        It was a nice article, right? I liked this part:

        “”You could not but feel delight for Puyol, the indomitable leader who so often comes over as a footballing Attila among a bunch of dazzling aesthetes. Yet this was a night when we learned about the other side of Spain – and Puyol’s Barcelona; that there is a real steel lying behind their glorious flow.””

        It accurately describes Barça’s futbol last year. They won La Liga with the “real steal lying behind their glorious flow.”

    • lovelymofo
      July 7, 2010

      Ha, I sat here trying to figure out if it was gonna get stronger, you know, in case I needed to get under my desk. Still at work. HMPH.

      • Miguel
        July 8, 2010

        stop, drop, & roll! or is that when you’re on fire?

  93. Mikel
    July 7, 2010

    Pedro! for Ballon d’Or!
    I have a feeling Spain woulnt have won it had Torres started the match. He was quite apathic the short time he was in the pitch.

    Some fans over in Marca are pilloring P! for not passing the ball to el Niño, but I understand that P! is young and he will learn from such mistakes. Anyways given Torres’ current form maybe I woulndt have passed him the ball either.

    It could be the case that all the Barca players can be club World Champions and nations World Champions in the same season, which goes to say a lot about their quality.

    • Jnice
      July 7, 2010

      Despite his complete act of selfishness, Pedro played well and played better than Torres would have played. That one play where he took on the entire German left side and dropped it to Alonso was amazing.

      • Luna
        July 7, 2010

        Wow Pedro’s runs were more specific and deliberate in this match. He wasn’t running around like he sometimes does. His feeds through to Villa were good to. Nice maturing for Pedro!

      • Ryan
        July 7, 2010

        I still have hope for the Torres-Pedro combination, as they worked well together against Poland. A shame P! didn’t give it to Torres for the tap-in though; it made the last few minutes extremely nervy!

  94. Luna
    July 7, 2010

    Villa has definitely played better on the left. He struggled today playing up the middle and being solitary. A fit Torres with Pedro and Villa would have been deadly. I don’t think Spain should or will rely on Torres for the final. I hope he proves me wrong.

    wow what a classic Carles goal, so beautiful. I love how he basically was like step aside Pique! Busquets once again had a great game. Not loud, but the Germans didn’t know how to react. While a 1-0 win, Spain dominated on the ground beautifully. However those last final minutes where the Germans kept getting corners were tense!

  95. July 7, 2010

    I’ll be brief:

    Busquets: Astounding. And that was against a big, physical, well organized team. Dude really is growing up before our eyes.

    Villa: I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: He can’t lead the line. Yes, his work rate was off the charts so you must laud the effort. But a couple of times he had chances to beat defenders one-on-one, and didn’t have the pace.

    Pedro!: Pass the ball and you’re a hero forever. People will forget the industry, the energy that made Del Bosque’s decision to start you seem like genius.

    Iniesta: One move too many, almost all the time, except for that amazing cross, that Villa moved way too slowly for.

    Xavi: As with us, you were simply The Man.

    Pique: Won every last header that came near him, and showed grace and composure on the ball almost every time.

    Puyol: Captain Caveman. We’ve seen those goals before, and I can’t believe that everyone is wondering why Germany didn’t mark him, and it’s simple. You can’t mark a man making the run from that far back, without risking a penalty, or sacrificing a defender at the point of attack. Then Xavi just plops it in there. On defense, he was majestic and omnipresent.

    This was a Barca match, make no mistake about it. Capdevila shows his miles with every outing, and Ramos, I’m just not a fan of. Xabi Alonso was unimpressive, as well. Excellent save from Casillas though, to keep things on point.

    What a win, what a match, what a side. Too bad there aren’t any more Barca guys Del Bosque can put out there.

    • vicsoc8
      July 7, 2010

      I’m going to have to disagree with you on Villa. I thought he played very well today, and his movement in particular was fantastic. He always seemed to be moving to space to be the necessary outlet, and he brought his team mates into the game very well. He didn’t score, but don’t let that distract from the all around good game he played today.

      On that note, Villa is much more dangerous as a goal-scorer from the left. I believe he could lead the line well, but when he is leading the line he scores less both because of the increased attention he receives from the defenders and because he is focusing on other aspects of his game.

      Basically, I think Villa will thrive playing with Ibrahimovic. I’m actually sort of worried about next year because I think while Villa is scoring goals left and right, Ibra’s scoring could go down and his other exploits (and importance to the side) will go unappreciated.

      However, I also think that if Ibra was to get injured that Villa would be capable of filling in admirably – he might not score as much, but his overall contribution would be very effective. I think this is just one of those things we will have to agree to disagree on

      • Miguel
        July 8, 2010

        “I’m actually sort of worried about next year because I think while Villa is scoring goals left and right, Ibra’s scoring could go down and his other exploits (and importance to the side) will go unappreciated.”

        i had this thought, too. maybe by some, but i’m sure it won’t go unnoticed by pepy g.

  96. Mario
    July 7, 2010

    wow hearing about Chygrynskiy side of the story is really sad!!!!!!!!!!….he really had his hopes in starting pre-season with us!!!

    • July 7, 2010

      Rosell is a scumbag. Here’s the real question: Is that 15m going to really help the club, a club that Rosell himself said has 89m to spend on players this transfer season?

      No. I think it was a way to show Guardiola who’s boss. Rather than a duo of Txiki B./Laporta and a complicit board, who said “Tell us who you want, and we will try to make it happen,” we have Dr. No and the Nodding Nabobs, who want to put Laporta’s man in his place.

      One more season. We’d better enjoy this one with Guardiola. No way he stays past this season.

      http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/69/transfer-zone/2010/07/07/2015158/disappointed-dmytro-chygrynskiy-aiming-to-prove-barcelona

      • ElShowDeJason
        July 7, 2010

        yeah… Even more than anger at Rossel, I am really sad for Chygsy…

        This was a simple act of the new boss firing the easiest target just to prove that he won’t take shit from anyone/ that he runs the show/ that he’s badass/ that he can out bench-press the Yaya, or whatever…
        Whatever statement he wanted to make, he looked for the weakest link and found a player who was foriegn, slow, didn’t shine in the limited minutes that were thrown his way last season, and weird looking. And most importantly, like you said, Kxev, he picked one that represented Joan and Txiki working for Pep, so as to dissuade any notion that the same will happen under him.
        I think this, the Cruyff incident, and many other things he does (read: everything that he does) just reeks of insecurity and power lust…
        So, to all Barca fans, let’s toast the success we’ve enjoyed the last years, but also pray to whoever you pray too that Sandro doesn’t turn us into CF Real Barcelona.

        Because, it’s Real Madrid who throw money bags at the shiny, fast, attractive players and send most of them packing in 12 months time when they aren’t popular enough.

        If you are right about Pep (eaving after next season), I will extremely saddened, but also understanding…

        🙁

        • Mario
          July 7, 2010

          I really hope Rosell changes some of his ways and doesn’t run Pep off!!!…..Pep has bought back the joy to me in watching Barca play in style and grace!..

          Being a young football fan in the Golden Era of these group of players,getting to watch them day in day out is truly something to behold…I would die if Sandro comes in and ruin it all!!!

  97. ElShowDeJason
    July 7, 2010

    FC BARCELONA are going to win the World Cup on Sunday!!!

    poor Dutch, Spain are going to show the Dutch the perfect execution of the system they invented. Theres some sort of irony in that…

  98. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    good morning from greece!rosell already is a madman who want to destroy barca and 60.000 people who vote are stupids..yea i see..ok bring back laporta

  99. ElShowDeJason
    July 7, 2010

    Also, Sergio Buesquets is still kicking all types of ass.

    I think a factor in his playing better is that Barcelona’s system is VERY demanding, and La Liga is definitely played a higher pace than this World Cup. Not to say that there is more pressure in defending the Blaugrana than la Roja, but maybe I am…

    In Barcelona he is the lone DM (unless Keita is in), whereas in Spain he has Alonso playing infront of him helping him out.

    Not to take anything away from his performances this month, because he has been really great… one of the most consistent for Spain actually…

  100. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    pep made a mistake.we all make mistakes in our lives,jobs e.t.c we learn from mistakes.tsigrinski will never be aclass player.my opinion.

  101. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    i will attack to rosell if it s true that he want to put pepsi in our shirt and not cause he sold tsigrinski.it was a smart move cause next summer his price will be 5million and a question.if pep trust him why he played just 14games?

  102. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    we are barca.not arsenal,lyon,porto.we buy players ready to play not to give them second chances.we have la masia for that.let s put an end to those silly transfers.

  103. GREECE BARCA
    July 7, 2010

    and mario don.t be afraid.we have lost many great players and coaches and always barca find the way to shine.

  104. GREECE BARCA
    July 8, 2010

    maybe rosell is a madman.but for now i have to wait before judge him.i believe he wants the best for our club.so i have to wait.

  105. GREECE BARCA
    July 8, 2010

    and something last before go to work!our new shirts rocks,pure art!hehe!see you

  106. jordi™
    July 8, 2010

    Its obvious Sandro “Mr.Business and Marketing” has ulterior motives in his publicizing our financial *situation*- read making Laporta look bad 101 😀 .Lets say if he was in charge for the last 4 years, he wouldnt have said anything.Making the club look bad can never be a good thing, unless of course, it makes your enemy look worse.Surely he realises its not just Barca fans hearing this, way to make our global image deteriorate even more.Douche.

    • Jim
      July 8, 2010

      I’m confused.

      Is the financial situation dire or just temporary cashflow? How can it be down to the media firm going into receivership if we aren’t due money from them atm? Did we not make a profit this and last year?

      If we are in a dire situation why is Laporta not taking the flak? – yes I know Rosell will try to make it look bad but if we can’t pay the wages for last month it is bad and we can’t blame the new board for that. All it takes is for a player with unpaid wages to take offense and report us to the authorities. It has happened in the EPL and clubs have been banned from transfers temporarily – wait, maybe that’s a good thing? Maybe Pedro’s good showing (and a talk with Marquez?) will mean that our transfer work is over for the summer?

      I suppose it shows the folly of the Galacticos approach – it doesn’t just hit you for transfer fees but also the ongoing wage bill. Can anyone afford a team with as many world class players ( and therefore wages) as we have? Makes me wonder about the financial acumen of the previous administration in general though.

      Or is it all just a smokescreen from Rosell to prepare the way for selling the name on the jerseys – something that would have caused a huge fuss unless we desperately need money ?

      Like I say, I’m confused.

  107. GREECE BARCA
    July 8, 2010

    before the election a poll in catalonia with the question if laporta was a candidate will you vote him?33 yes 67 no.so despite the titles and glory people there know much more than us about mister laporta

  108. CLUEless(John)
    July 8, 2010

    Fuck Sandro. Their, I said what we are all thinking!!

  109. Miguel
    July 8, 2010

    here’s a great website if you espeaky espanish. &, if you don’t, they have great diagrams :^)

    *http://comunidad.terra.es/blogs/desdenervion/default.aspx

  110. GREECE BARCA
    July 8, 2010

    hehe so our front line will be pedro,villa,messi??and ibra behind them to give his magic passes!i hope khevin don.t read this!i am a huge fan of ibra…when he is on bench!

    • Tim
      July 8, 2010

      We just saw today what it would be like to have Villa lead the line. He had a decent game, but not many great chances. Villa on the left is where he belongs with Ibra leading the line and Messi just going crazy all over the place. I honestly can not wait to see what that trident will do!

  111. GREECE BARCA
    July 8, 2010

    i don t want t fuck sandro!first he is a man,second ugly and imagine how much money he will ask me to fuck him!with our financial problems!

  112. July 8, 2010

    kxevin, if villa cant lead the line, who do you reckon could for us?(barca)? etoo did it all these years before the big man arrived.

    btw is it ok now to put a link without putting ** in front of the add?

  113. drew
    July 8, 2010

    its getting worse too. both MD and SPORT have reports of ibra possibly going to citeh for robinho and cash.
    this summer is gonna blow.

    • jordi™
      July 8, 2010

      But..but.. Robinho is just what we need!

      I dont want the world cup to end 🙁 the transfer madness will kill me.

  114. Eklavya
    July 8, 2010

    Greece Barca here’s your tip no. 2:

    Try to regroup your thoughts and put them in one comment please. They hurt my eyes otherwise 😛

  115. Vj
    July 8, 2010

    Arbeloa does a Pep with the motivational video and all..

    /http://sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=721430&idseccio_PK=1585

  116. Helge
    July 8, 2010

    So, if Rosell saw yesterday’s match, he simply CANNOT seriously want to purchase Cesc Fabregas this season. He would be absolutely useless for us. I mean, even Pedro is a better attacking midfielder than Cesc 😀

    Xaviniesta is above anything in the world, Busquets is becoming one of the best DMs, Cesc would spend 80% on the bench.
    I’ve heard rumours (on goal.com) that Barcelona doesn’t have the money to go for either Cesc or Mascherano. If that’s true, I’m happy. Although we could need a back-up for DM and right fullback, I think our team is already quite complete. And Villa makes us a LOT stronger. As for defensive midfield, we could either sign a new contract with Marquez, or get a cheaper alternative, but not a Mascherano.
    I just pray that Ibra stays and that there won’t be any more big summer signings!

    • Jnice
      July 8, 2010

      Rosell talked about how they needed the 150m euro loan, but also said we have about 90 million euros in transfer budget. I think we do have the money for one of those players, but we won’t spend a ridiculous amount on either. I still think when it is all said and done, we will sign about 3 players, 2 of them being midfielders. Remember how worried Pep was about squad depth last year and how short we were in that department.

  117. poipoi
    July 8, 2010

    yo soy fiel a la rojaaaaa

    la llevo en el corazoooon

    thank you spain you deserve everything

  118. poipoi
    July 8, 2010

    where are all with the busi dissers??? what a player, MVP every single game

      • poipoi
        July 8, 2010

        he has been at xavi level or so (in a different position of course) and has been key to our wins.

        I have to swallow my words on the doble pivote with him and alonso at the same time, it really is working, we don’t show a single defensive crack… even I don’t like alonso’s game that much.

        any of you from holland? van vommel is gonna suffer 😉

        • Jim
          July 8, 2010

          It has worked quite well but at a cost, for me. We still don’t look like scoring a lot of goals because we don’t have numbers in the box. Also, to be fair when we have so much possession defenders are bound to have an easier time. The heart of both offense and defense is Xaviniesta imo.

          The unanswered question is could we replace Alonso with Fabregas or Torres and would it leave us vulnerable or would it improve our possession and even things out.

          Somebody else remarked that Pedro is a better attacking mid than Fabregas. Sorry, but that’s overstating the case. He has played really well and I’m constantly upgrading my opinion of him but Cesc is, or is close to, world class. Whether he comes or not he is quality and would walk into any other NT.

    • Luis
      July 8, 2010

      I will admit, as someone who rated Busi as good to average (not a hater, pls, what is with this word being thrown about over the internet), he has impressed me alot. His covering and positioning is his main asset- he knows how to position himself just in front of attackers which slow them down. He can only get better, however he will still be slilghtly difficient in the physical department which so many other dms are strong in, i.e how quickly can he recover from being turned, wrong footed. The physical aspect is still very important( not essential) for his position. With some strength training he would improve even more.

  119. fcbfan
    July 8, 2010

    First, FINALISTA!!! Visca Barca!

    2nd, Rosel is making me mad! I trust him even less now. and I don’t belive a thing he say. what a snake.

  120. July 8, 2010

    1) All these stories published in the past two days about Barca becoming a Portsmouth, and being unable to buy players are pure none sense. It was all “concluded” from Sandro’s acrobatic moves. Still, even if we take Sandro seriously -and I don’t- he was basically talking about cash flow for THIS month. Based on his estimations -had I mentioned that I don’t take him seriously?- everything will be OK afterward…don’t worry…calm down…our Rambo is working on it and he will save the day. You can’t be grateful enough that he rescued you from Laporta the Grinch, nor he wants you to. He feels he was sent to us -mortals- to save our dreams from Txiki the serial killer.

    2) But look at the bright side-how desperate, hah?- I will live in a fantasy bubble believing that Sandro did all that as a part of a master plan to pull the prices of our transfer targets down:”Hleb? Ibra? Chigsomething? Caceres? hohoho mate! you are cutting deep! Dont bring transfers’ history to the table. Will you please please puleazze lower your demands and expectations?! We are miserable now.Look…look at our little boy Iniesta, see how pale he is? We are starving and we need to buy your player! hm…Cant you manage a discount?”. I know it sounds more as a Rosella Sensi, but if it helps, high five Sandro!

    3) I dont think Sandro sold Chigrnskiy without Pep’s approval. “Why how and what” we will never know. Who wanted to offload him? Thats a fruit of the whole discussions that happened behind closed doors. That discussion included priorities, transfer budget, players evaluation, and most importantly available transfer targets. I say lets wait and see the complete figure after we make all our transfer attempts. As I mentioned above, Sandro, bring me an established CB and a DM, and I will call you the transfers’ Casanova.

    4) Dont sell Ibra. Let me repeat: Dont you dare to sell Ibra. Or else…I will not like it! At all!

    5) Speak less, work more.

    As you see, I am still giving the guy a chance. But soon I will lose my patience if he keep ignoring the instructions book. And when I lose my patience, I cant do a shit, as this guy is still popular enough in Catalunya to ban me from visiting the country!

    • Jim
      July 8, 2010

      The “Portsmouth” stories are nonsense, Ramzi, and I agree the situation will be exaggerated by Rosell for many reasons, some of which you mention, but the facts remain and they seem to be

      1. We have had to apply for a 150m Euro loan – a process “begun by the last board” so presumably needed and not just his invention. you don’t take a loan that size if you don’t need it.
      2. The players were due to be paid at the end of last month and as of yesterday still hadn’t been. You don’t hack off a whole squad like ours if you don’t have to.
      3. Unless we are to believe that Rosell deliberately withheld payments it would appear we didn’t have enough to pay a single month’s wage bill.

      Even given all the shennanigans, does that not ring a few alarm bells about the financial situation under the last board ?

      • July 8, 2010

        Jim, I can see your point. Lets agree on the fact that no one really knows the facts regarding the financial stability of the club. Laporta and co manipulated the numbers before. Sandro and co are manipulating the numbers now. I will manipulate the numbers if one day-God forbids-I became a board member. Thats something any board at any company does based on the firm interests and strategic plans toward “the others”. But sometimes its good to keep it simple rather than being over analytic:

        – Laporta and co delivered a budget for last season to the assembly. They claimed there was profit. Lets assume that They were lying. But I cant imagine that people who approved the board’s budget days before the election were that naive not to figure out there is no money to make coffee for any visitor who may come to the club’s offices this month. Believe me, they would have ridden this wave to the extreme against the continuity candidate. I can understand the presence of cash with unrecognized payable Accounts. But lack of cash?

        – But lets take Sandro’s words for being the nonnegotiable facts. He says we will take a 150 M loan. He also says we have 90 M for transfers plus the money we get from selling players. And he says the club is in a disastrous situation, financially. Well then, for a disastrous situation we need a crisis management with enough wisdom to balance sports needs with the obligations that secure the club survival. A simple T-Ledger can help, putting the bank loans requested on one side and the transfer budget available+Yaya+Chegrnskiy transfers on the other side. Buy no players. Bring the loaned players back home and sell no more players. The Squad will still be competitive enough for next season and you will buy time to make a U-turn in terms of financing. You will not need the 150 M loan this way. Unless if the idea from the first moment was to invest the bank’s money in a project we planned rather than using the Clubs money (with ROI being higher than bank interest). That’s not a bad loan, its an investment that doesnt reflect a bad financial status but a growth ambition. But to tell me we cant pay salaries. We need a loan for 150 M. then you book a ticket to South Africa to pay Wenger 40 M, while bragging that you have 90 M to spend. Thats a bit confusing for me. When you sell a player for 15 M knowing that -regardless of his quality- its unlikely to buy another for the same price without making the same risk we made when we signed this one (being untested on highest level). Then there is something unreasonable to say the least. Which is not a promising start.

  121. Euler
    July 8, 2010

    The most outstanding aspect of Spain’s performance yesterday evening was defensively. Their ability close out players as a team all over the pitch was striking.

    Up to now no team had been able to simultaneously prevent both Schweinsteger and Ozil from having time and space on the ball. Spain was the first to do that successfully and they did it because they defended as a team through aggressive defending all over the pitch.

    Spain dominated possession – which they usually do. But they disrupted German possession and the fluidity of Germany’s attack wonderfully. And that’s part of why Spain looked so Barca-like yesterday. Substituting Pedro for Torres was not only a key move on attack but also on defense.

    Defense is often the overlooked aspect to the total football tradition. Last night Spain demonstrated how effective that can be.

    • Colby
      July 8, 2010

      Spain were defending as a team, combining their pressing with a high back line, just like a certain other team I know. It was interesting to compare Germany, who had their back line at the top of the 18 when spain got possession in midfield, with Spain who had theirs halfway between the 18 and the half-way line. This meant that when Germany had the ball at the halfway line, they essentially had a 25 yard field to play with that was crammed with 11 Spanish guys running around as fast as they could. They never had time to drop a ball over the top of the back four, or even to look anywhere beyond 5 yards around them.

      • July 8, 2010

        from last nights performance, i kinda wish we could play the same system in barca.
        2 holding mids in busi and yaya.
        and up front iniesta, messi and villa.
        we could keep the ball all day long.

        and i wonder why we dont recover the ball fast in barca like they did in 08/09. and in the spanish NT

        • Helge
          July 8, 2010

          And what happens to Xavi, Ibra, Pedro, Bojan? I suppose Xavi would play in front of the 2 holding mids?

          No, I definitely prefer our 4-3-3 with just one single holding mids, because constantly benching Ibra and Pedro would suck.

        • Colby
          July 8, 2010

          I had a similar thought, but I’m not sure if we need two holding midfielders (if you consider Alonso one). But we certainly could do something like Busquets with Xavi in front, then Iniesta, Messi, and Villa behind Ibra. However, when you consider the fluidity of Spain and Barca’s formations, we actually don’t play that different of systems.

  122. Kxevin
    July 8, 2010

    Basically, Spain last night showed why Barca is the best club in the world. We had 7 of the starting XI, so the game could be played Barca-style, with Pique doing his Piquenbauer thing, Captain Caveman wreaking havoc, Busquets and Iniesta shutting anything down that might have happened by nipping at the heels of the attacker, and Xavi making pass after pass after simple, elegant pass. Combine that with the constant movement and forward pressure of Pedro! and the outcome was inevitable.

    To beat us (Spain), you have to have the ball. And you won’t get it that much, so you have to make the most of the few chances that you do get. The possession statistics were deceptive, because the bulk of Germany’s possession was in its own half, where the bulk of Spain’s was in their half.

    It was so effective, and so workmanlike but at the same time, as elegant as can be. Sunday will be a good match, but I think that Barca (ooops! Spain) will win. Pedro! will never, ever make the mistake that he made again, I can assure you.

  123. Colby
    July 8, 2010

    Three quick points:

    1. From Zonal Marking:
    “Iniesta coming inside to create a numerical advantage for Spain in midfield also worked predictably well when they had the ball. A key method of getting the ball forward was to bring Iniesta in to create the 4 v 3, therefore forcing one of the Germany wingers into the centre of the pitch to try to relieve the shortfall. In turn, this created space for Joan Capdevila and Sergio Ramos, who would storm forward into dangerous positions. Ramos did this particularly well, and Podolski spent much of the game on defensive duty, rather than running towards Spain’s goal.”

    With Iniesta and Pedro hanging out in the middle a lot, Spain created width by jamming the middle. Just an interesting concept to consider, especially because we often discuss how there is more than one way of creating width (Henry for example).

    2. This may be way off base, but I think Villa could have done better if he had dropped into the false 9 role occasionally that Ibra and Messi often play. There was a square of defenders formed by Germany’s CBs and CMs. From a hypothetical point of view, it seems that if Villa had dropped into that more often, then he would have either pulled a CB with him (leaving space for a midfielder to run into for a split second until Germany switched players), or forced a CM to drop (leaving space for Alonso to shoot). However, he left that job for the midfielders, who had a tough time getting there because the Germany CMs could see them coming and would track their run, whereas Villa would have come from behind.

    Being incredibly biased and perhaps delusional, I kept picturing Ibra dropping into that space, receiving from Xavi, drawing a CB for a split second, then feeding Messi who makes the run in front of the German LB and behind the CB that Ibra has just brought with him.

    3. Pedro! seemed to have an edge to him that I haven’t seen before. His runs with the ball were more focused and Messi-like, rather than completely out of control. I think the best word to describe his performance is “sharp.”

  124. Kxevin
    July 8, 2010

    Oh, and Ramzi very eloquently made the point about our finances that I was going to make. Nice work. As I’ve said before, Rosell is running a calculated risk that is, so far, backfiring on him. It’s making the club, rather than Laporta, look bad. Stupid, stupid, Sandro!

    If the situation of the club were as dire as he would have us believe, as Ramzi notes, we would have made zero transfers, and he wouldn’t have said that we in fact have 89m in transfers. And if it’s that bad, selling a player for 15 is fundamentally meaningless.

    Rosell is so determined to set himself up as a savior that he doesn’t even care how the club that he purports to love is perceived.

    Greece Barca made a pro-Rosell argument, citing the poll that x number of respondents wouldn’t vote for Laporta if the election were held today. But that’s nonsense, because that poll exists in the 20/20 clarity of hindsight. So the results are garbage.

    Further, the poll reflects the unhappiness that the respondents have with the politicization of the club for Laporta’s personal gain. He does want to be King of Catalunya, after all. But if you were to ask someone, “Would you vote for a guy who is going to, during his tenure, bring the club four Liga titles, two Champions League titles and an unprecedented treble, do you really think that anyone would vote against that?

    That poll was garbage at the time it was taken, and it’s garbage now. The Continuity candidate didn’t win, simply because of Laporta’s tainted coattails not as regards the sporting project, but as regards the naked political ambition.

    And I know that Greece Barca is new here, so here’s the new poster homework assignment: Find me another player who, in his first season with a club and having shown up injured, notched 20+ goals and 8 assists. I won’t hold my breath while you search.

    • Kxevin
      July 8, 2010

      Oh, and you’ll know when we’re in real fiscal trouble because Krkic, who would fetch more than Txigrinski and didn’t cost us a red cent, will be on the block. If people think that Txigrinski wasn’t going to get much playing time, imagine being Krkic, particularly if we sign someone such as Fabregas.

      • July 8, 2010

        but when was the last time we had such a strong team?
        i think its easier for any striker to come into our team than anytime before.

        say we dont have ibra or villa, who would you like to be leading the line for us?
        im kinda curious..

  125. December 6, 2010

    Yeah I remember last year this time there was a movement to post your favorite pokemon as a profile picture, but with no reason behind, just to relive childhood memories. Odd that it’s now been expanded so much…

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