This is your Day 2 comments post. We’ve got some sweet games on tap. South Korea – Greece, Argentina – Nigeria, and USA! USA! USA! vs England. May the wonderful football rain down on us today!
South Korea fully deserve this 2-0 lead they have. Greece has been horrendous for almost the entire match. Funny, in a way, that the goals came from a set piece and a midfield mistake while most of the game has been Korea bombing through the middle with beautiful moves.
Messi is the best player in the world. He’s being discussed as having a chance to be perhaps the greatest ever – if he dominates a world cup. That’s a requirement.
Despite his status, it’s remarkable how relatively little attention and focus is being paid to him.
And much of that has to do with Maradona’s insanity. He’s made himself into a lightning rod and such a figure for attention that the players – even Messi – have become something of a secondary story.
That maybe a very fortunate set of circumstances for Messi and the team. The pressure and attention on Messi should have been unbearable were it not for the circus Maradona.
Yeah, I was just thinking that. Still, Gutierrez at right back is interesting. He’s good going forward but he gets exposed defensively too easily for my liking. At times, he looks a little lost IMO.
my friend finally got his electical power on as his government cut the electricity supply in order to save for the argerntina match lol. apparently they are argentina and brazil mad in bangladesh lol.
messi is on fire.
who said he was too tired???
however i do feel that messi will be like ronnie in 2006
spot on about the brazil-argentina part … i am from bangladesh and there people is just crazy about brazil or argentina … you can see flags all over the country for this month …
these are some common sites of the country for this month:
Maradona said over and over that his team doesn’t need fullbacks. Most of the run up he played 4 CM’s on the back line. He also siad he didn’t want defenders to be involved with the attack. He even went so far as saying why would defenders ever need to cross the midline. That’s part of why they were only playing one holding mid.
And in the first game of the cup Maradona plays Guittierez on the right and so far he’s been making runs up the flank. It’ll be interesting to see if that continues, especially up 1-0.
It’s really hard to know how Argentina is going to line up and play in this cup.
Nigeria not pressing at all past the midfield line. They are giving the deeper mids on Argentina a lot of time on the ball. This is going to really help Veron who plays very slowly in build up and has limited pace now.
I wonder as well, but it’s easy to say that in retrospect. If it were Milito that missed those two chances, we’d be wondering the reverse. He tends to miss sitters as well, Milito
Luckily Maradona has the luxury of having both though…
With Messi, Higuain, and Tevez all tending to cluster and make runs into the center and DiMaria playing curiously deep and remaining uninvolved Argentina is struggling for width and space.
Also, Veron is passing well but he tends to play deep and that’s leaving a break between the midfield and the attacking players. Tevez and Messi are dropping back in turn but I wonder if Palermo could help bridge that gap.
I feel Argentina’s been very, very good going forward (Yaaay, Messi!) but I though defensively, they got panicked a bit, especially on the counter attacks. However little Nigeria attacked, it caused problems for sure.
I thought Nigeria looked a little nervous and that the early goal really put them off their game… Nigeria’s goalkeeper impressed me as well.
Interesting how Nigeria and Argentina will lineup in the second half.
Well, his control wasn’t the best, and decision making wasn’t all that good, but at least he got himself into dangerous positions and threatened the Argentina goal.
I thought the Nigerian attack was subdued until he came on.
Argentina are playing with fire in this match. To not have scored that second goal is asking for trouble.
Very strange match. There is something missing in their attack. Width was clearly one of them. But I think they need a more coherent creative passing player who plays in a more advanced position.
That and for their number 9 to actually finish great opportunities.
Messi didn’t suck, Eklavya. He should have scored a couple, but other than that, he was by far Argentina’s best player. His movement, passing… everything.
Agreed. Messi was clearly Argentina’s best player today. DiMaria looked lost and Higuain just played poorly in his role. Messi was very good but just didn’t score.
Argentina haven’t finished well. But on the whole they played a disciplined, well organized match.
They looked well drilled, fairly cohesive and coordinated.
They did look like a team that was still trying to figure out how to play together. But you can see the potential there if they can figure out the dynamics between them.
In particular, I think they are going to need to figure out how to play with Tevez acting in more of a play making role.
Maradona’s tactics today were innovative and surprising given how Argentina have played in the run up and how Maradona has said he wants to play. Defensively they played very differently. That may have been why they were vulnerable to the counter some but the defenders also pushed up more than expected.
With all of the concerns about Maradona and his craziness – none of that translated into the play on the field.
Just compare how Argentina played vs. how France played under DomDom yesterday.
Should have been more than 1-0 but it was a very interesting match from Argentina.
Hopefully Messi next match will finish the way he usually does. He played very well but just couldn’t find the back of the net. It happens. Enyeama the Nigerian keeper was very good.
Euler, Maradona didnt do lot of bad things today, but lets not get carried…The team still has issues Nigeria didnt expose. Other teams will. But as I mentioned below, Maradona exceeded my drastic expectations in this single game.
Ramzi- I agree with you and was largely making my comments in terms of the context running up to the Cup. It’s been said widely that Argentina would turn into a chaotic disaster because of Maradona – who really is crazy.
Argentina were far from perfect. They clearly have work to do. As I mentioned – width, creativity in the advanced midfield, and defense on the counter were all issues.
But it’s not unusual for squads to have those kinds of problems early in the world cup. This is particularly true of a team like Argentina where the players really do come from many different club teams.
They didn’t look chaotic or disorganized. They generally looked organized. They seemed to be searching and trying to figure out how to play together. That was my primary point.
Veron tried hard but hes too old for this level, from the start atleast.I cant help but wonder how fluid argentina would be with banega pulling strings.Anyway atleast theres pastore who i beleieve will shine when he gets his chance.Some guy called Messi had a decent game
Veron passes well but doesn’t offer much past that. He lacks pace and plays relatively deeply. If they don’t want to play Pastore they’ll need Tevez to adapt and excel as an advanced creative player.
I love Messi, but Argentina not so much…I was really hoping for a Nigeria comeback there for at least a draw. South Korea & Nigeria for me, but I’m realistic enough to know that Argentina will most likely go through instead of one of those
whaat???
the gk played a great game.if not messi would have at least have 2 goals.
and the other clear cut chance, it was a really tight angle.
perhaps he shouldve chipped it like he did on casillas.
he was the best player for argentina definitely!
Vincent Eneyeama (Nigerian ‘keeper) got MOTM and I agree. Best player for Nigeria by far. Kept the score down and Nigeria in the game.
Messi MOTM for Argentina no questions asked. Awesome, really awesome. Did everything but score. Once he scores his first goal, expect the flood gates to open, because this is obviously something psychological.
I will give some credit to Maradona. In my world cup preview I was critical regarding his selection (Especial the fullbacks structure and offense duet), he fixed that in this game moving Jonas back and using Tevez to avoid Messi being isolated.
But still, he has issues especially using not starting Milito. His subs were all right, but a bit too late. Better than I expected, but he still need to win me over. I dont believe he has the quality when things get tight.
Messi played great but really left his shooting boots at home.
Higuain was terrible. Di Maria was so anonymous I thought he had been brought in as a sub at the start of the second half.
Mascherano had a good game, as someone who isn’t a fan of his, I was impressed.
Argentina’s big problem is that they don’t have any midfielders. When they took Veron off they only had one true midfielder, and they suffered for that reason.
Nigeria was festering crap. For Argentina to beat a side that dire 1-0 should be worrying some people. Had Nigeria had any midfield creativity or real attacking flair, that match was winnable. Based on what I saw today, S. Korea could very well win that group.
Higuain’s finishes were pretty amazing in their ineptitude. Dude’s gotta make those. Isaiah’s comment about him getting the yips in big matches is spot on. Lordy.
Was going to go watch USA/England at a friend’s place, but there’s just something about your own sofa and a 58-inch plasma that puts the kibosh on any communal plans. That, and it’s monsoon season in Chicago. Driving in the rain around my fellow man just sucks, what with my turbo Subaru and heavy right foot, and their tendency to say “Ohmygoditrainingdrive20mph!”
Uruguay kept a clean sheet against France, and even then had the best opportunities in the match. Mexico and Argentina need that cold final touch to start really creating havoc.
Overall, I get the sense that they’re just sharpening the knives. First game jitters are out, second round of Groups A and B should have these teams in full gear.
Based on the first 4 games, it seems to me like this will be a WC dominated by counter attacks. The ball is so terrible and bounces so much that I don’t see how any midfield can keep it safely in possession for a long time (even Spain)
Which does not bode well for Argentina because the defense still looked very suspicious, especially on the counter, and it was only Nigeria’s lack of quality that prevented them for scoring.
Of course, Argentina had even more chances to score on the counter, but the question how well they’re going to do against quality opposition remains.
Loved the Argentina win, could’ve had more goals, Higuain and messi both were unfortunate, except that Higuain was just missing, at least Messi was creating chances for others as well.
Happy for Korea! I knew they’d start well against Greece. and ENGLANNDDDD hope they beat them ‘yanks’
Besides, anyone notice how uncomfortable Argentina were with the ball, with Messi and co. having to dig them from underneath their feet as it were.. Was it because of the Jabulani?
At first I thought they looked rather slow, but this is a much better Argentina than that in the qualifying. And I think the ball is blamed, but they’ll adjust, or shouldve adjusted by now.
I’m glad Messi had a good match, bummed he didn’t score. Argentina is gonna have to improve if they want to make it into the quarter-finals and beyond. Wasn’t surprised that Higuain couldn’t finish those chances.
Also, I set my alarm this morning to watch Argentina (and get ready for work) and I was so out of it that it took me like 10 minutes to figure out that the ESPN channel I was watching the match on had Arabic-language commentary. I was like, WAIT, what? I have no idea which ESPN channel it was, but it had commentary available in Arabic, German, Japanese, Korean, Portugese, and even a mode to listen to it with no commentary. Great options, too bad I only know a few words in Korean and Portugese.
I saw on the channel that’s showing the WC here in Canada that had Punjabi commentary. There’s also a channel that had Spanish (Mexico) and Italian commentary. Pretty cool if you ask me.
Argentina need to play Messi closer to the goal (whether on the center or the flanks). They need someone else to do the creative playmaking, linking, throwing in the though balls. Messi’s dribbling though might look spectacular when its from the half line, but would be more effective when in the final third.
For me, it was a close but deserved in. I thought Messi played in the right role for him and Maradona is doing all he can to provide Messi with platform. I have seen the match and highlights a few times now, so can firmly say that two of the saves which GK pulled of Messi was spectacular. Higuain could have done better but he did shoot at goal. So i think he should be given more chances. It does not makes sense to change the front man on whims.
Overall Argentina do have problems in defence and espcially role of Jonas Gutiarrez. Maybe he will improve but against top teams, its going to be intersting. I shall not write off Argentina lightly when France and Italy contested last WC final without being the best teams. Up front, am sure that Messi will score soon enough. He was magnificant.
Argentina, as a whole, seem a team coming together and having such a match first up is much more helpful instead of a problem. If argies had won with 3 or 4 goals, they would have been complacant but now they will be motivated. I think that South Korea will give them a tough match and will even the match but overall, i think Argies are in good place. As a supporter, this makes me happy.
Green’s mistake was horrendous but England should have converted at least one other score. The U.S. backline was shaky even after that first goal. They settled down, but weren’t solid.
And England should be able to retain the ball better than they are against a U.S. team that isn’t that great on the ball or that crisp in passing.
Where was Lampard that first half? Also, Rooney was uninvolved.
Howard was a rock. Couldn’t do anything about the goal England scored.
Cherundolo at right back was excellent as well
Altidore put in a good shift, look out for him in the other group stage games.
Rooney was anonymous, couldn’t believe it
Was Lampard on the field?
Gerrard had spurts where he played well, but also disappeared at times
Green MOTM for USA
I thought Onyewu looked good for the US, but yeah Howard was amazing, espcially given the injury he got when he clashed with Heskey.
I didn’t see Lampard at all, Wow!
Agreed on Rooney. Apart from the later stages of the game, he was really involved.
Gerrard played really well for the first 20 or so min and then tapered off.
Green = LMAO
Milner = Fail*
*Was he subbed because of the yellow he picked up or was he injured. If it’s the previous and not the latter, that’s hilarious. Poor guy; it was his WC debut too…
A great deal of attention has focused on whether Argentina would figure out how to utilize Messi to it’s best advantage.
But England has struggled greatly to bring the best out of Rooney as well. On some level it almost feels like the other players on the English side just don’t know how to best play with a multi-dimensional player like Rooney.
The absence of a focal point for creativity for England in terms of passing is a significant weakness.
Gerrard played very well, but he played in a deeper more defensive role with Lampard moving up more. And Lampard’s strength is not creating for other players or providing service.
Briliant result for me. England flop to miserable draw, Rooney, Lampard invisible and a howler from their goalie to end all ( well most) of their jokes about Scottish goalies. A good night
Only downside is they’ll still go through from what must be the easiest group since they were last in a WC group.
Also, anyone who doesn’t think Messi has been head and shoulders above every other player we’ve seen so far needs a bigger tele in my opinion.
Don’t sweep S. Korea away so easily. They are fast, with and without the ball at their feet, and keep their shape at the back.
That keeper mistake was a howler. Unreal. And Onyewu wasn’t as good as some are giving him credit for. He was on walkabout on the first England goal, and also culpable for the other great chance that they had. He got better after that because they started playing long ball through the air, which plays to his strengths.
The tournament has only just begun, but I’m having a hard time seeing a favorite right now. Of course, we haven’t seen the rest of the heavy hitters yet, which will be interesting to watch.
Messi was brilliant, by the by. But we’re used to it. Imagine how it must be for people to be seeing him for the first time in a full match, rather than on highlight reels.
S Korea can go very far in this world cup. they are a better TEAM than many european sides, that means they play collectively better. and they all run their asses off in every single match like there is no tomorrow.
Gooch had moved up to close down space on Rooney as Rooney tried to receive the pass. He isn’t able to control the pass and semi deflects it and Gooch stays watching the lane back to Rooney and stands ready to cover him cause lets face it…if you have Rooney at the top of the box you’re not going to just let him stand there.
It was Clark who was watching Gerrard’s run. Clark drifts over to play the lane, but doesn’t actually get forward of him and is a few steps behind as he is somewhat ball watching. When the pass comes in its too late, he tries to get goal side but is just too far behind. Bocanegra actually is just 1 step behind Clark and he had to come from much further. I find it hard to pin much blame on Gooch for that one.
GolTV is rebroadcasting the Sept. 09 match at home v Atletico, when the three men that so many loved to hate were in the lineup, and playing brilliantly: Henry, Txigrinski and Ibrahimovic. This was before they were declared old and useless/waste of money/should be sold. Ah, those were such innocent times.
Oh, and Ray Keown, part-time coach and scout for Arsenal, says that HeWhoShallNotBeNamed is outta there this summer, and that all the stuff we’re seeing/reading is just part of the long, drawn-out negotiating process.
I typed Ray Keown in google with few results, then I realized you meant Martin Keown. Regardless of what he says, I’m still doubtful the deal will happen.
Looks like Rosell is in poll position to win the elections…such shame. Sid Lowe and Pep(of the elections site) both had tweets stating that like with Perez last season, the press is deciding the elctions.
GHANA FOR THE WIN tomorrow!!! and hopefully Barça Atletic.
Anyone who says that Messi can’t replicate for Argentina what he does for Barca just needs to see this game. What he did in this game is just the same if not more than he does in any Barca game that he doesn’t score in. Yeah, there arn’t a lot of those games, but they exist. He was creative and linked up well. He was, at times, tenacious at winning back the ball and playing defense. He was able to get good looks at goal and forced the keeper to make some very good saves. His finishing was off but there was a spell this year where that was true at the club level too. Remember when we were in disbelief for weeks straight at how he just couldn’t buy a goal? Yeah, it happens.
There is still a lot of football to be played but looks to me like he is on a path to vindication.
nigerian goalie was amazing, messi usually scores on those kind of shots. Onyewu was spotty. definitely responsible for the chance england had when lennon or the right back (can’t remember his name or which person it was) shot straight into howard’s chest (was he wearing velcro, wow!) Korea was fast! argentina defense was as shaky as their has was long.
and why does the USA team never play leading or through balls? can’t wait to watch xavi and co. do their thing
higuan choked
I was wondering that same thing about the U.S., stowe. I think it’s because the midfield creativity is about nil. You have guys like Altidore, but can’t take advantage of them because they can’t control and pass. It’s control, regain control, turn around, the moment is lost.
The only person with any passing creativity on the field is Donovan and to describe him as such would be a big stretch. Our off ball movement isn’t very good either as you dont see a lot of attempts to run behind the defense, but then again why should you? Nobody is going to make that pass. They mainly look for a ball over the top.
my god…
i envy you guys in the states.
you guys have so many choices!!!
and i just learned that in the US, you guys have something called the amber alert. that is so amazing!
btw, i thought isaiah and kxevin were socis..
how come both of them are here and not doing the good thing by voting?
kxevin, i presume you are driving an impreza? latest one or ver8?
do you get called a ricer a lot? lol
That was the plan, barca96, right up unti real life decided to gnaw on my bum and make it impossible for me to get away, thanks to this vexing thing called having to earn a living. Thankfully, my plane tix were refundable.
Legacy GT wagon, sir. The turbo Subaru for grownups. From 2005.
Sky Sports News has just said that Iniesta is doubtful for the opening match. That starts to get worrying as he was only taken off as a precaution. Sounds like there’s something rumbling on there.
Leave him out of the group stages if there’s a doubt, I’d say. It’s not like they’re going to struggle to win it.
what’s up with that poor boy little sad face of messi when the game was over and all the rest of the argies literally out of their minds celebrating a 1-0 vs a weak nigeria?? maradona evwen came to cheer him up, hugged him up from the ground and all… I didn’t like it at all, even I’m not argentinian I’m messian I looove messi. He should be (or at least show himself) happy for the team win and the 3 points. Besides he played really well the only thing is that he didn’t score life is hard.
Messi probably looked sad because he understood how vulnerable they looked, against a pretty poor side. If that guy doesn’t send that shot wide, they draw that match, a match they should have won in a laugher. Messi seems much more a realist/pragmatist than many others.
ARGENTINA!!!! I hope messi scores a hattrick. those are extremely common for him nowadays
I’m wearing an Argentina jersey, but will be rooting for Nigeria. I love the World Cup because of this.
A GOAL! 7th minute! This game is better than France-Uruguay already! Surprise!
South Korea fully deserve this 2-0 lead they have. Greece has been horrendous for almost the entire match. Funny, in a way, that the goals came from a set piece and a midfield mistake while most of the game has been Korea bombing through the middle with beautiful moves.
Bartra signs until 2012.
*http://www.fcbarcelona.com/web/catala/noticies/futbol_base/temporada09-10/06/11/n100611111539.html
Is there going to be a LiveBlog for the Argentina match?
the games have been so boring so far
go argentina!
Messi is the best player in the world. He’s being discussed as having a chance to be perhaps the greatest ever – if he dominates a world cup. That’s a requirement.
Despite his status, it’s remarkable how relatively little attention and focus is being paid to him.
And much of that has to do with Maradona’s insanity. He’s made himself into a lightning rod and such a figure for attention that the players – even Messi – have become something of a secondary story.
That maybe a very fortunate set of circumstances for Messi and the team. The pressure and attention on Messi should have been unbearable were it not for the circus Maradona.
VAAAAAAAAAAAMOS MESSSSSSSSSI!
Ugh, Heinze is starting (why? WHY?)… Veron predictably starts as playmaker but can he last the 90?
Match is about to start! (Where’s Hector?!
)
WTF? WHY IS JONAS GUTIERREZ PLAYING RIGHT BACK? He’s a winger, right? Right?!
ar-gen-tina!
ar-gen-tina!
ar-gen-tina!
ar-gen-tina!
ar-gen-tina!
ar-gen-tina!
3 min in and Messi’s looking good (and working hard pressuring the defense).
HIGUAIN MISSES FROM POINT BLANK RANGE! MESSI AWESOME!
messi!!!!!!
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL HEINZEE ! (W.T.F?!) Nice one too. Diving header
Argentina are playing a very different way then they have for much of the run up to the cup.
Much more attacking with Guttierrez at RB rather than Otamendi while also playing Tevez with Messi and Higuin.
It’ll be interesting to see if Guitierrez is allowed to move forward and where Tevez will occupy space.
Yeah, I was just thinking that. Still, Gutierrez at right back is interesting. He’s good going forward but he gets exposed defensively too easily for my liking. At times, he looks a little lost IMO.
my friend finally got his electical power on as his government cut the electricity supply in order to save for the argerntina match lol. apparently they are argentina and brazil mad in bangladesh lol.
messi is on fire.
who said he was too tired???
however i do feel that messi will be like ronnie in 2006
spot on about the brazil-argentina part … i am from bangladesh and there people is just crazy about brazil or argentina … you can see flags all over the country for this month …
these are some common sites of the country for this month:
sorry the photos did not come the first time:
*http://www.flickr.com/photos/36096782@N06/4694355454/
*http://www.flickr.com/photos/36096782@N06/4694355488/
Holy crap! Argentina are looking good! Nigeria could also be nervous and that’s why they look better..
…and Nigeria dangerous on the counter attack almost score! Samuel manages to put it out for a corner! Veron clears though…
Maradona said over and over that his team doesn’t need fullbacks. Most of the run up he played 4 CM’s on the back line. He also siad he didn’t want defenders to be involved with the attack. He even went so far as saying why would defenders ever need to cross the midline. That’s part of why they were only playing one holding mid.
And in the first game of the cup Maradona plays Guittierez on the right and so far he’s been making runs up the flank. It’ll be interesting to see if that continues, especially up 1-0.
It’s really hard to know how Argentina is going to line up and play in this cup.
Crap! Wonderful ball from Veron almost finds Messi, but Nigeria’s goalkeeper intercepts at the last min.
Nigeria not pressing at all past the midfield line. They are giving the deeper mids on Argentina a lot of time on the ball. This is going to really help Veron who plays very slowly in build up and has limited pace now.
If Milito got the two chances to score Higuain has would he have missed either?
Would YOU have? I feel that anyone would have. Including Higuain. He has the yips in big games, it seems like…
I wonder as well, but it’s easy to say that in retrospect. If it were Milito that missed those two chances, we’d be wondering the reverse. He tends to miss sitters as well, Milito
Luckily Maradona has the luxury of having both though…
donde esta angelito di maria
Nowhere.
With Messi, Higuain, and Tevez all tending to cluster and make runs into the center and DiMaria playing curiously deep and remaining uninvolved Argentina is struggling for width and space.
Also, Veron is passing well but he tends to play deep and that’s leaving a break between the midfield and the attacking players. Tevez and Messi are dropping back in turn but I wonder if Palermo could help bridge that gap.
I feel Argentina’s been very, very good going forward (Yaaay, Messi!) but I though defensively, they got panicked a bit, especially on the counter attacks. However little Nigeria attacked, it caused problems for sure.
I thought Nigeria looked a little nervous and that the early goal really put them off their game… Nigeria’s goalkeeper impressed me as well.
Interesting how Nigeria and Argentina will lineup in the second half.
He he he!
The David Villa-Messi-Zidane Adidas ad is playing on my TV!
In a game like this Cambiasso would have been a particularly valuable holding midfielder.
OOOOO Messi oooh…thats sums up messi in argentina. well played by tevez tho
mascherano looks like rosell
NIGERIA GOALKEEPER IS AMAZING!
C’MON MESSI!
oh god messi sucks with argentina!
Messi can’t SCORE with Argentina is what you meant, right?
He’s had a really good game IMO
With Veron out and Rodgriguez in Argentina functionally don’t have a playmaking midfielder.
That’s going to have to come from Messi or Tevez now.
Higuain finally out. He had a poor match.
How could Messi miss that?
argentina look like they dont want to play
Odenwingie for Nigeria has been impressive since he came on; he’s had a good impact for them.
I thought he was an absolute horror show, actually. Totally different take than you.
Well, his control wasn’t the best, and decision making wasn’t all that good, but at least he got himself into dangerous positions and threatened the Argentina goal.
I thought the Nigerian attack was subdued until he came on.
Burdiasso for Di Maria (who was poor IMO).
Looks like Maradona is going for the 1-0. Nervy moments for Argentina; Nigeria are pressuring and are really trying to finish the match strongly.
Argentina are playing with fire in this match. To not have scored that second goal is asking for trouble.
Very strange match. There is something missing in their attack. Width was clearly one of them. But I think they need a more coherent creative passing player who plays in a more advanced position.
That and for their number 9 to actually finish great opportunities.
The one good pass from Veron led to the goal.
From then on he was quite poor IMO. Argentina suffered as a result.
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH1 MESSI!
He’s doing everything right, except for his finishing and an inspired performance from the Nigerian goalkeeper!
ARGENTINA DESERVEDLY GET THE WIN!
1-0 but should have been more. Messi played as well as someone can without scoring a goal. Nice!
argentinas players look like they won the WC. Messi doesnt look too happy…
yeah!!!!
korea and argentina to top the group!
Messi didn’t suck, Eklavya. He should have scored a couple, but other than that, he was by far Argentina’s best player. His movement, passing… everything.
Agreed. Messi was clearly Argentina’s best player today. DiMaria looked lost and Higuain just played poorly in his role. Messi was very good but just didn’t score.
Argentina haven’t finished well. But on the whole they played a disciplined, well organized match.
They looked well drilled, fairly cohesive and coordinated.
They did look like a team that was still trying to figure out how to play together. But you can see the potential there if they can figure out the dynamics between them.
In particular, I think they are going to need to figure out how to play with Tevez acting in more of a play making role.
Maradona’s tactics today were innovative and surprising given how Argentina have played in the run up and how Maradona has said he wants to play. Defensively they played very differently. That may have been why they were vulnerable to the counter some but the defenders also pushed up more than expected.
With all of the concerns about Maradona and his craziness – none of that translated into the play on the field.
Just compare how Argentina played vs. how France played under DomDom yesterday.
Should have been more than 1-0 but it was a very interesting match from Argentina.
Hopefully Messi next match will finish the way he usually does. He played very well but just couldn’t find the back of the net. It happens. Enyeama the Nigerian keeper was very good.
Messi and Milito had some nice 1-2′s.
Euler, Maradona didnt do lot of bad things today, but lets not get carried…The team still has issues Nigeria didnt expose. Other teams will. But as I mentioned below, Maradona exceeded my drastic expectations in this single game.
Ramzi- I agree with you and was largely making my comments in terms of the context running up to the Cup. It’s been said widely that Argentina would turn into a chaotic disaster because of Maradona – who really is crazy.
Argentina were far from perfect. They clearly have work to do. As I mentioned – width, creativity in the advanced midfield, and defense on the counter were all issues.
But it’s not unusual for squads to have those kinds of problems early in the world cup. This is particularly true of a team like Argentina where the players really do come from many different club teams.
They didn’t look chaotic or disorganized. They generally looked organized. They seemed to be searching and trying to figure out how to play together. That was my primary point.
messi had one of the best games for argentina i’ve seen in a long time but he’ll be considered a flop unless he scores :S
he has the world to take on, everyone demands too much from him… poor man.
Veron tried hard but hes too old for this level, from the start atleast.I cant help but wonder how fluid argentina would be with banega pulling strings.Anyway atleast theres pastore who i beleieve will shine when he gets his chance.Some guy called Messi had a decent game
Veron passes well but doesn’t offer much past that. He lacks pace and plays relatively deeply. If they don’t want to play Pastore they’ll need Tevez to adapt and excel as an advanced creative player.
I love Messi, but Argentina not so much…I was really hoping for a Nigeria comeback there for at least a draw. South Korea & Nigeria for me, but I’m realistic enough to know that Argentina will most likely go through instead of one of those
oh and GO TEAM USA!!!
whaat???
the gk played a great game.if not messi would have at least have 2 goals.
and the other clear cut chance, it was a really tight angle.
perhaps he shouldve chipped it like he did on casillas.
he was the best player for argentina definitely!
Vincent Eneyeama (Nigerian ‘keeper) got MOTM and I agree. Best player for Nigeria by far. Kept the score down and Nigeria in the game.
Messi MOTM for Argentina no questions asked. Awesome, really awesome. Did everything but score. Once he scores his first goal, expect the flood gates to open, because this is obviously something psychological.
Di Maria was very poor as wss Higuain.
Tevez worked like an absolute dog. Whoa!
Yeah, when I say “he sucks” I mean he can’t score. Isn’t that obvious?
I only watched the 2nd half so I’m not going to evaluate anyone… although Messi should have scored with so much space.
I will give some credit to Maradona. In my world cup preview I was critical regarding his selection (Especial the fullbacks structure and offense duet), he fixed that in this game moving Jonas back and using Tevez to avoid Messi being isolated.
But still, he has issues especially using not starting Milito. His subs were all right, but a bit too late. Better than I expected, but he still need to win me over. I dont believe he has the quality when things get tight.
Agreed on Milito. He really should be in the starting XI
Messi played great but really left his shooting boots at home.
Higuain was terrible. Di Maria was so anonymous I thought he had been brought in as a sub at the start of the second half.
Mascherano had a good game, as someone who isn’t a fan of his, I was impressed.
Argentina’s big problem is that they don’t have any midfielders. When they took Veron off they only had one true midfielder, and they suffered for that reason.
Nigeria was festering crap. For Argentina to beat a side that dire 1-0 should be worrying some people. Had Nigeria had any midfield creativity or real attacking flair, that match was winnable. Based on what I saw today, S. Korea could very well win that group.
Higuain’s finishes were pretty amazing in their ineptitude. Dude’s gotta make those. Isaiah’s comment about him getting the yips in big matches is spot on. Lordy.
Was going to go watch USA/England at a friend’s place, but there’s just something about your own sofa and a 58-inch plasma that puts the kibosh on any communal plans. That, and it’s monsoon season in Chicago. Driving in the rain around my fellow man just sucks, what with my turbo Subaru and heavy right foot, and their tendency to say “Ohmygoditrainingdrive20mph!”
Argentina never looked like they got it going. I still want to see how Nigeria does versus South Korea.
Ohmygoditrainingdrive20mph
Based on the liveblog yesterday, seems like our kind of people..
Hahahaha I had the same thought! OMGOMG!
Messi looked kinda jaded, uninterested at times, didnt have the usual work rate that he does for us but like everyone said he had a great game
on univision they call tevez “el apache.” wow.
pipita, pulga, apache. and the equipo argentino son unos pelusos. el gringo peluso (heinze), la pulga pelusa…
yesterday whenever the univision commentator said “shabalala” he sang it sing-songy in a loud voice.
That’s why I decided to watch the matches this morning on ESPN instead of on Univision. That Tshabalala thing irritated the hell out of me.
I like what I’ve seen so far.
Uruguay kept a clean sheet against France, and even then had the best opportunities in the match. Mexico and Argentina need that cold final touch to start really creating havoc.
Overall, I get the sense that they’re just sharpening the knives. First game jitters are out, second round of Groups A and B should have these teams in full gear.
Based on the first 4 games, it seems to me like this will be a WC dominated by counter attacks. The ball is so terrible and bounces so much that I don’t see how any midfield can keep it safely in possession for a long time (even Spain)
Which does not bode well for Argentina because the defense still looked very suspicious, especially on the counter, and it was only Nigeria’s lack of quality that prevented them for scoring.
Of course, Argentina had even more chances to score on the counter, but the question how well they’re going to do against quality opposition remains.
Loved the Argentina win, could’ve had more goals, Higuain and messi both were unfortunate, except that Higuain was just missing, at least Messi was creating chances for others as well.
Happy for Korea! I knew they’d start well against Greece. and ENGLANNDDDD hope they beat them ‘yanks’
I hoping that Dempsey and co. kick some English ass!
I making typos also.. I sorry..
*I’m..
Besides, anyone notice how uncomfortable Argentina were with the ball, with Messi and co. having to dig them from underneath their feet as it were.. Was it because of the Jabulani?
At first I thought they looked rather slow, but this is a much better Argentina than that in the qualifying. And I think the ball is blamed, but they’ll adjust, or shouldve adjusted by now.
anyone have a good streaming link for england vs US?
Tried Espn3.com ? not sure it works for everybody though.
I’m glad Messi had a good match, bummed he didn’t score. Argentina is gonna have to improve if they want to make it into the quarter-finals and beyond. Wasn’t surprised that Higuain couldn’t finish those chances.
Also, I set my alarm this morning to watch Argentina (and get ready for work) and I was so out of it that it took me like 10 minutes to figure out that the ESPN channel I was watching the match on had Arabic-language commentary. I was like, WAIT, what? I have no idea which ESPN channel it was, but it had commentary available in Arabic, German, Japanese, Korean, Portugese, and even a mode to listen to it with no commentary. Great options, too bad I only know a few words in Korean and Portugese.
I saw on the channel that’s showing the WC here in Canada that had Punjabi commentary. There’s also a channel that had Spanish (Mexico) and Italian commentary. Pretty cool if you ask me.
Now, off to watch EEUU-Inglaterra!
In Punjabi? Seriously hahaha I HAVE to listen to that one!
Me too.. Punjabi?! Pretty awesome!
im out of the US ):
I don’t know if it works outside Canada but cbc.sports live streams the games. Here’s the link anyway
*http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifaworldcup/live/match5.html
You can find a link here.
*http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=77127&part=sports
Just take your pick, there’s a whole bunch
atdhe.net
Argentina need to play Messi closer to the goal (whether on the center or the flanks). They need someone else to do the creative playmaking, linking, throwing in the though balls. Messi’s dribbling though might look spectacular when its from the half line, but would be more effective when in the final third.
For me, it was a close but deserved in. I thought Messi played in the right role for him and Maradona is doing all he can to provide Messi with platform. I have seen the match and highlights a few times now, so can firmly say that two of the saves which GK pulled of Messi was spectacular. Higuain could have done better but he did shoot at goal. So i think he should be given more chances. It does not makes sense to change the front man on whims.
Overall Argentina do have problems in defence and espcially role of Jonas Gutiarrez. Maybe he will improve but against top teams, its going to be intersting. I shall not write off Argentina lightly when France and Italy contested last WC final without being the best teams. Up front, am sure that Messi will score soon enough. He was magnificant.
Argentina, as a whole, seem a team coming together and having such a match first up is much more helpful instead of a problem. If argies had won with 3 or 4 goals, they would have been complacant but now they will be motivated. I think that South Korea will give them a tough match and will even the match but overall, i think Argies are in good place. As a supporter, this makes me happy.
vicsoc8 prediction for the US – England game:
Milner to shine.
LOL!
He gets subbed after half-an-hour
Wow, Epicest Fail ever.
ROFLMAO!
LOL that was gold
||http://futbol.univision.com/fifacopamundial/partidos-en-vivo
Pretty nice stream. I’m muting the sound to hear British commentary.
No Edu again? Clark isn’t close to being as good as Mo. Good luck with that USA.
Clark is a real issue.
Goal already! Nice from Captain Fantastic. Epic defensive lapse by the US.
STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVEEEEEEEEEN GERRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDD
Sadly, he has no Spaniard to celebrate with.
LOL at Rober Green.What a howler.
As a States fan, I’ll take. English fans have to be drowning their sorrows right now.
Green’s mistake was horrendous but England should have converted at least one other score. The U.S. backline was shaky even after that first goal. They settled down, but weren’t solid.
And England should be able to retain the ball better than they are against a U.S. team that isn’t that great on the ball or that crisp in passing.
Where was Lampard that first half? Also, Rooney was uninvolved.
go usa! beat capello!
Doesn’t Onyewu play for AC Milan? He’s been a rock for the States. Candidate for MOTM me thinks.
Now Peter Crouch is on for Heskey.
10 min left, let’s see if there will be a winner…
I was kind of bored towards the end of the match. I had no idea British goalies were soooo bad. That was straight out comical.
Also, no more TIES. Please. Or at least higher scoring ties, porfavor.
Agree. I wanna see a thrashing! Aww, that means I got to wait until Spain’s match on Wednesday
Nope, it ends in a score draw.
US 1-1 England
Goals: Dempsey (or rather Green o.g
) ; Gerrard.
England dominated, but the US held their own, especially the impressive Onyewu, and had their chances to win the match.
All in all, entertaining match. I wasn’t going for anyone, so I guess this is the “best” result.
USA fan here:
Howard was a rock. Couldn’t do anything about the goal England scored.
Cherundolo at right back was excellent as well
Altidore put in a good shift, look out for him in the other group stage games.
Rooney was anonymous, couldn’t believe it
Was Lampard on the field?
Gerrard had spurts where he played well, but also disappeared at times
Green MOTM for USA
I thought Onyewu looked good for the US, but yeah Howard was amazing, espcially given the injury he got when he clashed with Heskey.
I didn’t see Lampard at all, Wow!
Agreed on Rooney. Apart from the later stages of the game, he was really involved.
Gerrard played really well for the first 20 or so min and then tapered off.
Green = LMAO
Milner = Fail*
*Was he subbed because of the yellow he picked up or was he injured. If it’s the previous and not the latter, that’s hilarious. Poor guy; it was his WC debut too…
vicsoc8 about Milner = Fail
England are distinctly average side. Solid but unspectacular.
A great deal of attention has focused on whether Argentina would figure out how to utilize Messi to it’s best advantage.
But England has struggled greatly to bring the best out of Rooney as well. On some level it almost feels like the other players on the English side just don’t know how to best play with a multi-dimensional player like Rooney.
The absence of a focal point for creativity for England in terms of passing is a significant weakness.
Gerrard played very well, but he played in a deeper more defensive role with Lampard moving up more. And Lampard’s strength is not creating for other players or providing service.
Can someone tell me exactly what Lampard’s strength is? It’s not his shooting, either.
So does this mean Korea is currently the best team so far in the WC?
Didn’t see that coming. Then again I’m completely ignorant in regards to Asian football, so what do I know?
Nah, just that one that happened to be playing the most hapless opponent.
Sorry for off-topic guys, but Thiago extended his contract.
*http://www.fcbarcelona.cat/web/castellano/noticies/futbol_base/temporada09-10/06/12/n100612111560.html
Fantastic news!
Good news that he signed. but i dont like the 1 year
deal and 2 years incase he makes A team squad perminent
means we either promote him och he’s gone in januari
we just bought pep time to check him one last pre season
Briliant result for me. England flop to miserable draw, Rooney, Lampard invisible and a howler from their goalie to end all ( well most) of their jokes about Scottish goalies. A good night
Only downside is they’ll still go through from what must be the easiest group since they were last in a WC group.
Also, anyone who doesn’t think Messi has been head and shoulders above every other player we’ve seen so far needs a bigger tele in my opinion.
Don’t sweep S. Korea away so easily. They are fast, with and without the ball at their feet, and keep their shape at the back.
That keeper mistake was a howler. Unreal. And Onyewu wasn’t as good as some are giving him credit for. He was on walkabout on the first England goal, and also culpable for the other great chance that they had. He got better after that because they started playing long ball through the air, which plays to his strengths.
The tournament has only just begun, but I’m having a hard time seeing a favorite right now. Of course, we haven’t seen the rest of the heavy hitters yet, which will be interesting to watch.
Messi was brilliant, by the by. But we’re used to it. Imagine how it must be for people to be seeing him for the first time in a full match, rather than on highlight reels.
S Korea can go very far in this world cup. they are a better TEAM than many european sides, that means they play collectively better. and they all run their asses off in every single match like there is no tomorrow.
Gooch had moved up to close down space on Rooney as Rooney tried to receive the pass. He isn’t able to control the pass and semi deflects it and Gooch stays watching the lane back to Rooney and stands ready to cover him cause lets face it…if you have Rooney at the top of the box you’re not going to just let him stand there.
It was Clark who was watching Gerrard’s run. Clark drifts over to play the lane, but doesn’t actually get forward of him and is a few steps behind as he is somewhat ball watching. When the pass comes in its too late, he tries to get goal side but is just too far behind. Bocanegra actually is just 1 step behind Clark and he had to come from much further. I find it hard to pin much blame on Gooch for that one.
dont forget, sunday (tomorrow) 11 am pacific/2 pm eastern, barca atletic v sant andreu
Will be watching the Ghana game then, but they will be in my heart lol.
GolTV is rebroadcasting the Sept. 09 match at home v Atletico, when the three men that so many loved to hate were in the lineup, and playing brilliantly: Henry, Txigrinski and Ibrahimovic. This was before they were declared old and useless/waste of money/should be sold. Ah, those were such innocent times.
Oh, and Ray Keown, part-time coach and scout for Arsenal, says that HeWhoShallNotBeNamed is outta there this summer, and that all the stuff we’re seeing/reading is just part of the long, drawn-out negotiating process.
I typed Ray Keown in google with few results, then I realized you meant Martin Keown.
Regardless of what he says, I’m still doubtful the deal will happen.
Looks like Rosell is in poll position to win the elections…such shame. Sid Lowe and Pep(of the elections site) both had tweets stating that like with Perez last season, the press is deciding the elctions.
GHANA FOR THE WIN tomorrow!!! and hopefully Barça Atletic.
I didn’t know Raymond was Martin’s middle name.
Actually I was giggling at a Ray Ray-ism as I typed Keown’s name. Which explains that.
It’s funny how that worked out though, because I wiki’d him and it turns out his middle name is Raymond.
that guy, martin keown — not a handsome man.
Anyone who says that Messi can’t replicate for Argentina what he does for Barca just needs to see this game. What he did in this game is just the same if not more than he does in any Barca game that he doesn’t score in. Yeah, there arn’t a lot of those games, but they exist. He was creative and linked up well. He was, at times, tenacious at winning back the ball and playing defense. He was able to get good looks at goal and forced the keeper to make some very good saves. His finishing was off but there was a spell this year where that was true at the club level too. Remember when we were in disbelief for weeks straight at how he just couldn’t buy a goal? Yeah, it happens.
There is still a lot of football to be played but looks to me like he is on a path to vindication.
nigerian goalie was amazing, messi usually scores on those kind of shots. Onyewu was spotty. definitely responsible for the chance england had when lennon or the right back (can’t remember his name or which person it was) shot straight into howard’s chest (was he wearing velcro, wow!) Korea was fast! argentina defense was as shaky as their has was long.
and why does the USA team never play leading or through balls? can’t wait to watch xavi and co. do their thing
higuan choked
I was wondering that same thing about the U.S., stowe. I think it’s because the midfield creativity is about nil. You have guys like Altidore, but can’t take advantage of them because they can’t control and pass. It’s control, regain control, turn around, the moment is lost.
*shaky as their hair was long*
The only person with any passing creativity on the field is Donovan and to describe him as such would be a big stretch. Our off ball movement isn’t very good either as you dont see a lot of attempts to run behind the defense, but then again why should you? Nobody is going to make that pass. They mainly look for a ball over the top.
now let’s wait till the big boys( spain, brazil & holland) play and see who looks in form.
Elections day…
my god…
i envy you guys in the states.
you guys have so many choices!!!
and i just learned that in the US, you guys have something called the amber alert. that is so amazing!
btw, i thought isaiah and kxevin were socis..
how come both of them are here and not doing the good thing by voting?
kxevin, i presume you are driving an impreza? latest one or ver8?
do you get called a ricer a lot? lol
btw i meant about the multiple language choices on espn.
That was the plan, barca96, right up unti real life decided to gnaw on my bum and make it impossible for me to get away, thanks to this vexing thing called having to earn a living. Thankfully, my plane tix were refundable.
Legacy GT wagon, sir. The turbo Subaru for grownups. From 2005.
lol rosell is late for voting
Sky Sports News has just said that Iniesta is doubtful for the opening match. That starts to get worrying as he was only taken off as a precaution. Sounds like there’s something rumbling on there.
Leave him out of the group stages if there’s a doubt, I’d say. It’s not like they’re going to struggle to win it.
what’s up with that poor boy little sad face of messi when the game was over and all the rest of the argies literally out of their minds celebrating a 1-0 vs a weak nigeria?? maradona evwen came to cheer him up, hugged him up from the ground and all… I didn’t like it at all, even I’m not argentinian I’m messian I looove messi. He should be (or at least show himself) happy for the team win and the 3 points. Besides he played really well the only thing is that he didn’t score life is hard.
Messi probably looked sad because he understood how vulnerable they looked, against a pretty poor side. If that guy doesn’t send that shot wide, they draw that match, a match they should have won in a laugher. Messi seems much more a realist/pragmatist than many others.