Fabregas, shmabregas. Everybody, just shut up!

You know what, Arsenal? You can, in my humble estimation, keep Cesc Fabregas, because really, I am sick and tired of it all.

Whenever Fabregas turns his backside toward the south and cuts one, the rumors start. “He farted toward Barcelona! He’s coming home!” The Catalan press has a full-on tizzy, the English press loses its mind and Arsenal fans talk about how we are tapping up their talisman, that we must have fed him something that turned his mind.

Everybody, just shut up. Because I’m tired of it.

To Arsenal fans:

Shut it. We didn’t tell Fabregas to say that he wants to return to Barcelona. And if the published reports are true (though they all seem to emanate from the one unfounded report by Guillem Balague) that Fabregas has told Wenger that he wants to leave, we didn’t do that. Your Captain and icon did. And last time I checked, he wasn’t wearing a tinfoil hat, that enables him to better receive the signals from evil Catalunya.

The Catalan press has been chattering about Fabregas coming “home.” Most of us don’t really think of it as coming home, however, since he chose to leave for playing time, fame and money. You choose where you live.

What Barcelona players and management have said is, “It would be nice if he wanted to play for us,” or “I would love to play with him.” What do you reckon an Arsenal player would say if asked about playing with Lionel Messi? “Well, I can’t say anything, because I don’t want anyone to accuse me of tapping up La Pulga?” No. Not hardly. They would say exactly what the Barca players who were asked, would say about playing with Fabregas.


The club in specific has made no overtures toward Fabregas, nor have we even made an official offer to Arsenal. Oliver has said that it is nice that he wants to come. Laporta has said essentially the same thing, and we should talk if that is in fact true this season. Period. Which is all true.

Everything else that you read, everything that you see, is from the Spanish sporting press. Which is not Barca. Surely you are all familiar with unreliable, rumor-mongering footy press.

Our latest official comment, despite all the high dudgeon, has been “We respect the wishes of Arsenal,” meaning “If they don’t want to sell, we aren’t buying.” Simple as that. So calm down, and turn your minds toward something more useful, such as how you’re going to actually win something next season.

Barca fans:

Shut it. Yes, you too. If Fabregas comes, he comes, but stop talking about him as if we have some divine right to him. We don’t. He’s a player who left the farm in search of greener pastures, and found them. He didn’t show any particular loyalty to the club back then, so I just don’t see any sorts of talismanic qualities present in him right now. All I see is a 50m benchwarmer. If he doesn’t start for Spain, what makes anyone think that he is going to be starting in our midfield, which is essentially the Spain starting midfield?

Is he an excellent player? Absolutely. He’s just an excellent, world-class player who doesn’t fit into our side right now. Will he in the future? Quite possibly, in the 3 years when Xavi will finally stop being unplayable. Which assumes that Johnny Dos Santos or Thiago don’t develop into something special.

So we can cross that bridge when we come to it. Fabregas will still be in his prime, and if he wants to transfer to Barcelona, and we want to pay his price, it will be worth talking about.

But we don’t have any more right to Fabregas than any other club willing to pay his transfer fee. He wasn’t kidnapped from La Masia. He left. For very personal reasons, that were all realized. And that’s good for him. Is it good for us? Who knows. Right now, no, because it’s making everyone gibber at the gullet and ponce about as if our prodigal son is coming home.


The Spanish press:

Shut up, and quit making stuff up. I know, I know …. if you restricted yourselves to the facts, what then, would you have to write about? But still. Right now, Fabregas isn’t for sale. Which means that he isn’t coming.

Personally, I can think of so many ways for us to drop 40-50m. We need midfield depth that won’t grumble about sitting on the bench, and reliable excellence at right and left back. I’d rather splash for that, than for Cesc Fabregas, who certainly has an admirable skill set (no, that isn’t tapping up). But he would basically be sitting around, filling in a waiting for Xavi to retire. People who talk about him learning from Xavi assume that he isn’t already a world-class midfielder, which he is, and would dominate any midfield in the world except that he has the unfortunate luck of being Spanish, in a world with Xavi and Iniesta.

No, this rant won’t stop the rumors, nattering or silliness. But it is my .02. Make of it what you will.

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  1. barca96
    May 19, 2010

    damn..ive always had the idea that you have beef with cesc.
    when did it all this started?

    why we should NOT get cesc this season;
    as we have hleb coming back and we have YAYA.
    yaya can defend, attack, pass, shoot and score too if we want a solution for breaking buses. if we need creativity, we can always put thiago or jds in. as we all saw, yaya was more than capable handling a La Liga side. and its not the 1st time that he has taken over xavi’s role and done well.

    why we should get him now;
    xavi is going to have a long season. he is definitely going to play all the matches during the world cup. and with his injury that he picked up a few weeks back, i expect him to undergo a surgery.
    so we might need a creative force. considering pep is reluctant to play jds or thiago and with yaya likely to be leaving, he might be a useful addition.

    • Jim
      May 19, 2010

      I thought it was a calf injury. What surgery do you get for that? Is that not just a rest and heal?

  2. dilshan
    May 19, 2010

    as an arsenal fan I for once can say there is a bloggor who seems to understand and make sense of everything more than most of the so called experts writing for newspapers…I for one am prepared for the eventuality that Cesc will one day go to Barca..all i hope is it is done in a dignified way

  3. RedCurrant
    May 19, 2010

    “Most of us don’t really think of it as coming home, however, since he chose to leave for playing time, fame and money.”

    He chose to leave because he believed he would become a better player under Arsene Wenger at Arsenal. And he was right. If he’d stayed as a Barca underling, where would he be now? Not one of the best midfielders in the world at the age of just 23, that’s for sure. Fame doesn’t come into it – Arsenal never pander to fame, nor does Cesc. Money? Oh really. Arsenal is one of the most prudent clubs in the world.

    You should take your own advice.

    Shut up.

    • Jack
      May 19, 2010

      He earns £110K per week + £3M one off loyalty bonus payment.

      • RedCurrant
        May 20, 2010

        He landed a big pay deal AFTER proving himself, over several seasons of consistent, committed performances.

  4. BA
    May 19, 2010

    forget Cesc, bring us Luka Modric.

    i said it.

  5. niall
    May 19, 2010

    who are you to speak on behalf of barca fans, stick your blog, u are no barca fan.

    • Ethan
      May 20, 2010

      hmmm. shall i say, dont visit this blog again. thanks.

  6. che grimandi
    May 19, 2010

    ha! excellent article. good work mate.
    Christ i hope he doesn’t leave us this year (ever!)but i honestly think he will go to barce in 2 -3 years to take over from xavi, exactly like you state.
    No confirmation to these rumours, all they’re doing is selling newspapers, increasing ratings on bullsh*t sports channels and filling endless amounts of blog space.

    well done on a well written, clearly heartfelt & amusing piece.


  7. Gooner
    May 19, 2010

    barca can lick my fucking balls. ‘peoples club’ they call themselves. have they no fucking respect tapping up our players. a bunch of idiots you have at your hierarchy. football is memsmerizing, but laporta and his chums really spoil your image lads. Up The Arsenal

  8. Alex
    May 19, 2010

    Barca does not want to pay, Arsenal does not want to sell. End of story.

  9. Stroller
    May 19, 2010

    You leave one group out of your ‘Shut It’ rant. What about the current Barca president, the other candidates, your Director of Football – Tixi ‘something’, and various players like Pique. They all seem to have a lot to say about Cesc, which given he’s not their player shows a lack of class and respect for Arsenal. It’s not the first time either. Over the last two seasons anyone and everyone at Barca has enjoyed open season talking about why they would like ‘to bring him home’. So if Barca fans are fed up with all the rumours and speculation why not try telling their club to cut the chat about Cesc.

    • Jnice
      May 19, 2010

      The most recent thing “Tiki” aka Txiki said regarding Fabregas was, in response to the statement by the media, “Cesc says that if he leaves Arsenal he wants to come to Barca. That’s a first step”

      “But what really counts here is Arsenal and their decision. Remember that he’s a really important player for them. And we have to respect that. Sometimes, players don’t get what they want because they are bound by contracts. The fact that he says that he wants to come to Barca is a sign that we’re doing a good job here. It’s great news and I think that Cesc has to come to Barca some time or the other. I don’t know when but I get the impression that he’s a Barca type of player and would have a great time here. Some time or the other he has to come. I hope it’s as soon as possible. But we have to respect Arsenal’s wishes and his contract.

      Please, stop it troller, I mean stroller.

      • Sol
        May 19, 2010

        Well congratulations, the last thing he said he showed some respect to Arsenal.

        How about the numerous times before this, the countless times the Barca hierarcy have tried to unsettle Fabregas in the past few seasons?

        He says one thing with an ounce of class in it, and you band it about as though its proof your club has handled this whole transfer saga with dignity.

        You might fool “jnelson”, but Arsenal fans have a longer than 5 second memory.

    • Anony
      May 19, 2010

      Pique and Cesc are best friends and they talk to and about each other as such.

  10. caveat emptor
    May 19, 2010

    I like and agree with most of what you said. However, with the exception of this round, I do think that Barcelona management has been far less restrained than you give them credit for. Admittedly, my views may just reflect my filter – Arsenal blogs.

  11. Jnice
    May 19, 2010

    Agree with your sentiments, Kxev.

    Here we go…

  12. tomstoned
    May 19, 2010

    first of all…great post…

    Still barca and their fans should be aware of the fact that you are not a club…your just a silly bank,and when the financial situation in your country slowly but surely turns like Greece…well..or if UEFA finally make use of their new financial rules we will see…

    apart from that barca is seen as a *bank*without honor and respect…tapping up must have been created by you lot..then what to expect of catalunyans…the history tells it all…

    Best Regards Tom

    • iBlau
      May 19, 2010

      If your manager had built a stage for your star instead of running a nursery then he wouldn’t want to leave now would he?

      We didn’t tap him up because although we have expressed a desire for him to come, we’ve never gone behind Arsenal’s back and made any deals with the player.

      He realizes that u guys aren’t winning anything soon.

      • sad
        May 20, 2010

        by all means take him back. If you want to pay 80M for a bench warmer then we will gladly accept them. Cesc is good no doubt about that, however 80M is alot of money and can buy alot of other good players…

        All in all that would be win win. You get your beloved player back, the star that will according to his price tag change your team and make it MUCH better, we get money to invest in older and more experienced players…

  13. Dan
    May 19, 2010

    Excellent piece.

    Quick fact for everyone:

    Fabregas has been at Arsenal longer than he was at Barcelona.

    • May 19, 2010

      Seriously. I’ve wondered about posting a separate piece pointing that out. He’s not much of a La Masia product, having spent his formative years at Arsenal. Pique either, to be honest. I love our cantera and I love the way we promote our youth up to the first team, but you don’t get to retain “Barça DNA” if you leave and become a different player through playing in a different system for longer than you were in the original system. I don’t think he returns to La Masia in the summers to train…

      I would take him back on a free, but it seems absurd to consider him something of a prize transfer target when he left us (for whatever reasons you’d like to believe–I don’t particularly care why); he developed elsewhere and elsewhere can keep him. Other than that, I agree with Kevin’s thinking on the matter.

    • Blow-Grenade
      May 19, 2010

      His was born and raised Catalunya though!

  14. jnelson
    May 19, 2010

    Well said Kxevin, I agree with all points. So…Spain is going to win the World Cup. I. am. sure.

    May 19, 2010

    Hi first i agree with you about the journalist Guillem Balague who i used to admire but now after a little bit of research he doesnm’t seem as honest as he thinks he is.He has reported for the last 3 summers that Cesc would join Barca .He also said exclusively that Torres when he left Athletico would be joining Man utd which obviously never happened.He is also big friends with Rafa Benitez and this is where I get to grind my axe.Last week he was putting around the rumor that Inter Milan had contacted /were after Rafa to take over for when Mourinho leaves.yesterday morning on various news sites blogs etc (local to Northern England) this was found out to be a blatant lie and fairytale to help his good friend Rafa.Just as this story was about to implode he decided to report the Fabregas 1 on La Marca then prostituted himself around Sky sports news appearing on every programme to announce this news.Funnily enough the Rafa stories disappeared and he had unleashed a monster which he couldn’t control.At the moment the silence around the Emirates is deafenning which is a bit of a worry for Arsenal fans but still unusual in the circumstances.To get to your point that Barca haven’t tapped up Fabregas look at these quotes fromthe last year or so.
    3 Jul 2009 … Laporta told radio station Cadena COPE: “Cesc Fàbregas has the Barcelona DNA in his body and we know that he wants to play for this club. …
    Piqué: Cesc will end up wearing Barcelona shirt
    April 14, 2010 -Cesc Fabregas will return to Barcelona he is a close friend of mine and a footballer with Barcelona’s DNA.
    So no tapping up then , I suppose Barca didn’t tap up Henry for 5 years in a row either ,or Hleb or Petit or Overmars in fact Barca never tap anyone up do they ??? Or do they just like tapping up Arsenal players.The funniest thing is that you guys tap up Fabregas and then come out with ‘we cannot afford to pay more than £30 mio’.Well then you are not going to get him and you have unsettled a player for no reason at all.I don’t know if Barca think that arsenal are a charity but they are severely underpricing Fabregas.Oh yeah you can throw in Toure (we do need him we have Alex Song who is twice as good) , is that so next year you can start tapping up Alex Song.what Arsenal player is next after Fabregas I wonder for you to tap up. UEFA for some reason turn a blind eye to your sleazy goings on but you need to be very worried indeed as the next few years when Arsenal are debt free there will be a shift of power and you will be reeling !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Arsenal Forever !!!!! In Arsene We Trust

    • Sol
      May 19, 2010

      Well said my friend, this Barcelona fixation with Fabregas has been going on for years now.

      Do you silly Barca fans really think Cesc would be the player he is today if he had stayed at your club? He would never have been picked!! As Spaniards, your mob should be thanking Arsenal for giving him the playing time to mature and become a world class player – he would never have got the opportunity at Barca, and might never have even reached his potential if he had stayed there.

      Don’t tell Arsenal fans to shut up. You say that “The club in specific has made no overtures toward Fabregas, nor have we even made an official offer to Arsenal”. That is a blatant lie as plenty of people in your club have made these “overtures”, and what makes it worse is that you HAVEN’T made an offer, and even if you have, its taken seasons off unsettling our captain to get here.


      • sad
        May 20, 2010

        well can you blame them? Cesc is 1000 times any of the players they got now. Barca must shit their pants for not getting him. All the tapping up and effort they have gone through the last 3 years. He will deffinently be the biggest star if he returns home. he will be bigger than the entire team all together!

        He will be the best player Barca has ever had! Why els would you pay 80M for a player? he will be barcas Ronaldo.

    • majatt
      May 19, 2010

      Umm…Barca is already debt free “Debt/Value 0%”

    May 19, 2010

    sorry re Toure mean’t to say ‘we do not need him’
    we needed him 2 years ago but now we have Alex Song whois twice as good.

    • jnelson
      May 19, 2010

      HAHA who in the world of futbol thinks Alex Song is twice as good as Yaya Toure!!!!??

    • Dave
      May 19, 2010

      Your’re cleary on acid to believe that. Get help and don’t type when you are ‘buzzing’

      • Ethan
        May 20, 2010

        way too funny. 2Xyaya<Song….ROFL. You Arsenal fans are too funny. You wont win any silverware, thats why you have players that will leave you. Your a good team, but will never compete with the big boys of european football, as has been clearly shown these last few years. You have a great coach, but u r owned by americans. You talk shit about a club ran as a democracy, by the people, for the people. You have no control over what ur club does, who buys it, what happens, but we do. WE are in no debt, are the best club in the world, and its not tapping up players u ignorant fans, its players wanting to play at the highest level with the best bc they want to win. SO GROW UP ARSENAL FANS. Be upset with the people that you should logically be upset about, though i know most of u have no logic, but try using whatever bit u do have to understand that ur wasting ur time and energy here. ITS YOUR CLUB U SHOULD BE UPSET ABOUT. The owners, the coach, the staff, the players…all people that have contributed to the lack of silverware earned. YOU HONESTLY THINK A GREAT PLAYER WANTS TO PLAY FOR A TEAM YEAR AFTER YEAR AND NOT WIN ANYTHING…ARE YOU CRAZY? Fortunately here at barca, we fans have a say bc the club is more than a club, its a family. And we have the power as to who comes and goes. as we have to accept blame for if we help steer the club the wrong way by voting democratically.

  17. Gooner
    May 19, 2010

    Well if you say that the player has the DNA of the club and belongs there then i dont know what tapping up is..

  18. Ciaran
    May 19, 2010

    Oh my God, If you have nothing constructive to say then stay out of the blog. We haven’t requested that every Arsenal fan google ‘Fabregas’ on a daily basis and come over here saying you’re tapping him up.


    We are not Barcelona-based press, We are not our president, We are not our technical secretary and we are not our players.
    If you ask most people here, we do not believe that signing Cesc is the best idea. He’s an awesome player, heck he’s one of the best players on the planet.
    Unfortunately, or fortunately, he plays in the same position as Xavi & Iniesta who are at least equally as good.

    If he comes, and that is a big IF, it will be because us, him and Arsenal agree it. There is nothing wrong with that. Until then, Arsenal fans, don’t get your knickers in a twist.

  19. gooneramaan
    May 19, 2010

    seriously, since Wenger came to Arsenal, u lot have been tapping up our players, from Overmars, Petit to Henry, Hleb, and now Cesc is ur latest Target, Barca has been Tapping these Players for 14 years now and u say no one from Barca has been tapping him. Openly saying we would like Cesc to wear Barca shirt, all this Barca DNA shit and ur players like Xavi, Pique, Messi everyone saying the same thing about his Barca DNA. Mentioning the Word Barca DNA by each of ur barca players and ur president, vice president . Cannot be co-incidence.
    How come every player talk about Cesc’s barca DNA.

    Barca is shit. when it comes to transfers.

    • leoleoleomessi
      May 20, 2010

      love the way at the end you say barca is shit, and then have to add when it comes to transfers. cos its not like we beat you 4-1 this yr…

  20. lovelymofo
    May 19, 2010

    It doesn’t matter how much of a level headed post you write Kxevin, you’re always going to get angry responses. People read what they want to read. And then it’ll all just degenerate to comments like “you’re not a real fan unless you live within a 2 foot radius of the Camp Nou” and “your players are trying to tap up Cesc.” Nevermind that Cesc is a grown man who can make his own decisions and that Pique (and other Barça players) have a right to their own opinions.

    I vote we do one of two things: write a Cesc post daily, just to really annoy all the angry Gooners out there, or you know, not write anything AT ALL, unless he does end up coming to Barça. Ideally, I’d like the latter. With one exception, when talking WC, we can mention him in the context of the Spanish national team.

  21. Jnice
    May 19, 2010

    And I also find it funny when Arsenal fans talk about this “tapping up” business when they have this whole Chamahk issue. He’s know he was going to play at Arsenal for months now.

    If you think every team contacts the other teams before they speak to the player and his agent, you’re naive. Sorry.

    • gooneramaan
      May 19, 2010

      So u say Arsenal tapped up Chamakh…..get ur facts right…….we bid for him which was rejected by Bordeaux….Before Arsenal made a Bid no one knew Arsene was interested in Chamakh, it was only after Arsenal made a bid for him world came to know that Arsenal want Chamakh. This is how transfers are done. This is not what u call tapping a player. well how would u know, u have a Barca DNA. I guess!

    • Dan
      May 19, 2010

      Errr… everyone has been allowed to speak to Chamakh for 5 months by FIFA law because he’s out of contract.

      That’s not the same as our players and staff saying Chamakh should sign for Arsenal because we want him when he’s got 5 years left on his contract.

    • jake
      May 20, 2010

      Have you ever heard Wenger saying Chamakh wears Arsenal undies? No you won’t but Bigiristan and Laporta are on some media outlet every fuckin’ day talking about how they’d love to fuck Cesc Fabregas in the arse. Every fuckin’ season, talking about our players. Fucking annoying. I used to really like Barcelona as a club and still think it is the best out of all the big clubs but that opinion has changed considerably over the last couple of seasons.

  22. Gooner
    May 19, 2010


    How did we tap Chamakh up? Get your facts right!

    • Kari
      May 19, 2010

      I’d like to know what ‘facts’ you’re talking about. How about one straight from the President of Bordeaux?

      “We proposed extensions to Marouane,” Triaud explained to his side’s official website. “Our first proposal dates from the earliest days of the year 2009. He said he had never spoken to [Arsenal manager] Arsene Wenger. But I find it strange that he could be recruited by Arsenal without talking to the coach.

      “I’ve had two difficult departures since I arrived: [Sylvain] Wiltord and Chamakh. These two moves both concern Arsenal.”

      How’s that for facts?

      • Dan
        May 19, 2010

        None of that is based on facts. In fact he says “he had never spoken to [Arsenal manager] Arsene Wenger”.

        So that alone proves no tapping up took place.


        • Kari
          May 19, 2010

          Your argument is pretty thin there, Dan. You’re saying that because THE PRESIDENT OF BORDEAUX , not Chamakh himself, said that Chamakh never spoke to Wenger, that it wasn’t tapping up? In what way? Did it occur to you that Chamakh could be lying?

          The full quote was “HE [Chamakh] SAID he had never spoken to [Arsenal manager] Arsene Wenger. It’s obviously a lie because I can’t see a player signing for a team without talking to the coach. Chamakh would obviously have to talk to Wenger to see how Wenger would incorporate him into the team.

          The English media don’t give a damn that another French player is coming to Arsenal. If they did, they’d no doubt ask Arsenal players “What do you think of Chamakh?” “Would you like to play with him?” “Do you see him playing for Arsenal one day?”

          Naturally they’d answer with a “Of course, he’s a great player. Or “He’s tall, two footed and has a great scoring record. I think he’d fit into Arsenal quite well”.

          Just because the media doesn’t ask, doesn’t mean tapping up isn’t happening. Don’t get up on your high horse and say ‘No way, we don’t do that. He said he wants to come. Hey! A bunch of newspapers/interest sites are talking about our Captain leaving to another club. Look, they even asked the players what they thought about him. Let’s sit and whine about how they’re tapping him up”. Dude, own up to it.

          At least some of us are talking about this Fabregas thing straight up and giving you their view of things and how they see it from a Barca perspective, instead of just flat out denying things.

          Anyway, you’re entitled to your opinion. People believe what they want.

          • Jim
            May 19, 2010

            there was no tapping up needed. Chamakh stated last summer multiple times in the press that he wants to join Arsenal. He also said that he is not going to renew his contract so Triaud is just a sore looser.

            Here you go, from July 2009:
            Chamakh had earlier revealed he would be keen on a move to Emirates Stadium. He said: ‘I want to play in the Premier League and a club like Arsenal would be a dream. If they were to come calling, I would certainly give them a positive answer.’

            Wenger was allowed to talk to Chamakh in the past months since his contract with Bordeaux runs out.

        • jack
          May 19, 2010

          you cant call the opinion of the president of bordeaux fact, because it suits the point you are trying to make… not really how facts work buddy… especially seeing as he’s got to be peeved off, as last year when they rejected the bid arsenal made for him, he was expecting an improved offer, and didnt get it and now him and his club gets nothing… so you can see why he’d make the kind of comment he has…

          • Kari
            May 19, 2010

            Point taken, Jack.

            However, using the “Barca DNA” opinion (no-one here says it’s a fact) of Laporta, Xavi and Pique (who are close and best friends with Fabregas respectively) is also a fact that suits your argument.

            Some people at Barca were peeved because Fabregas left for nothing during the time the club was getting a new president (i.e what’s happening now) and felt Arsenal took advantage of the confusion to “poach” him. Personally, I say sour grapes to those people. It’s not as if Arsenal controlled Fabregas’ mind and made him come to them. It was Fabregas himself.

            The “DNA” just means that he is Catalan, was raised in family of Barca fans, and trained at their academy for many years so he know their style of play very well.

            This debate thing won’t end. I think this post was meant to represent the feelings of many people (including myself) on this blog, Barcelona Football Blog. We ain’t Rosell, Laporta, the Spanish press, or the players, but just a small portion of the millions of fans of the club we love.

            Thanks for taking the time to stop by, jake, Dan.

      • Stroller
        May 19, 2010

        Kari – Read and understand what Dan says. Any player within 6 months of end of contract are free to talk to other clubs. He and Arsene Wenger were free to talk in this period – if Chamakh says they didn’t it hardly matters. He hasn’t yet been recruited – there has been no signing announced by either club, so Triud seems to be jumping the gun and just seems miffed that he didn’t negotiate a fee in 2009 when he had the chance.

        • Kari
          May 19, 2010

          Oh, I read and understood what he said alright. He didn’t mention the piece of information you’ve presented me with. Thanks for that.

          I still believe that Arsenal “tapped up” Chamakh the same way some of your guys believe Barca is “tapping up” Fabregas.

          I guess that’s just how it is then? Thanks for stopping by, Stoller.

      • Jim
        May 19, 2010

        I have no idea what is wrong with the Triauds head. And since he apparently forgot the rest of the story, let me tell it to you. Chamakh wanted to leave last summer already. He was loyal and he was told that he can leave if a big club makes an offer.

        Then Arsenal made an offer and Bordeaux refused since they wanted more than double that amount. Chamakh was very upset and tried to force them to sell him. At the same time Wenger retracted the bid since he felt with Eduardo coming back and Bendtner and Van Persie he had enough attacking options. Wenger explained to Chamakh that if he would join Arsenal that he wouldn’t get much playing time.

        There were bids from other clubs but according to Bordeaux they were small clubs and they refused to sell.

        Chamakh told his club already last summer very clearly that he is not going to renew his contract. He also said it to the press. So Triaud can’t act as if he is surprised about it.

        There was no tapping up from Arsenal. Everything was quiet and maybe in February Wenger said once to the press that he thinks that Chamakh is a decent player. In the last weeks he became more outspoken since everyone in the world knew that Chamakh decided to join Arsenal now that his contract expired.

        That’s unlike Barca where every single player and their grandmother tells the press that Fabregas should come home. They seem to have an agenda because they are rotating the players who talk to the press about Fabregas’s DNA.

  23. Greg Goon
    May 19, 2010

    When it comes to football there is no team in the world on barca’s level… no body can come close to the way they play and credit is due to them.

    But when it comes to class you spanish idiots have no idea… I do not care if you tap up cesc or not because it makes no difference your business is a scam.

    You are run by the country and presidents lol.

    Madrid had no money they sold a crap training ground to the country for 300 million PMSL.

    Apart from madrid and barca your league is just awful its the most slow, boring, league on the planet… you whistle because you do not know how to sing.

    You have no AWAY FANS – WTF is that about the best part of the games is the away crowd banter!!!

    THE EPL is pure passion from start to finish you can watch wolves vs wigan and be in for a great game with the best fans in the world singing there hearts out.

    Oh and the 3rd richest club in the world is ARSENAL… the 4th is barcelona.

    For a team of your stature why are we richer than barca ????

    Strange that one A lads.

    Have cesc, we will bring in new players and build again no problem there and in 2 years we will have NO DEBT and be able to buy who we want, so in 2 years we will see who is laughing!!!


    • Anony
      May 19, 2010

      In two years, let’s hope you have actually add a trophy.

    • Phil
      May 19, 2010

      Lets not turn this into a Liga vs EPL debate. The issue is heated enough without such things.

  24. Lady Arsenal
    May 19, 2010

    I agree that the media is primarily to blame for this ‘story’, both spanish and english. Transfer stories are in huge demand during the off-season and things like evidence or propriety or good journalism are secondary to securing readership and generating income.

    That said, it is obvious that the big clubs, especially the 2 big clubs in spain (possibly soon to be the ONLY clubs) are guilty of manipulating news stories to suit their interests. The very act of answering a question on such a subject will inevitably lead to further speculation, and if you think a Barcelona chairman is innocent of this, you are very green indeed. Every summer we have had this story, it is as a result of some comment emanating from a Barcelona official. It is completely in the interest of Barcelona to have this story and Balague has contacts at Barca. Only a fool would claim Barcelona had no intention to create this story.

    The reason this is unacceptable is that it adversely affects the other club. Regardless of the effects on the team, something like this can affect the share price or income of another business.
    I’m not annoyed that Barcelona is interested in buying Fabregas, I am simply saying that the first contact must be with the other club, not the player, and never the media.

    I realise it is complicated by the idiosyncratic nature of the Barcelona structure, which encourages candidates seeking election to mount campaigns. Nevertheless the right thing to do is for the club to deny all speculation and conduct all negotiations with Arsenal. They won’t though, because ultimately they have little respect for other clubs. Despite their notoriously magnanimous image, they have no class.

  25. Jnice
    May 19, 2010

    Goal.com comments from some of you Arsenal fans.

    • lovelymofo
      May 19, 2010

      Ha. So true. The only thing missing in their comments are words in ALL CAPS.

  26. BA
    May 19, 2010

    posts about Cesc are just going to draw in the Arse-tards, bitter at their status as a selling club and perpetually being in the 2nd tier of European football. better to not post anything officially about him until he signs the contract or the transfer window ends. most of us couldn’t give a crap about him coming or not anyway.

  27. Greg Goon
    May 19, 2010

    Exactly what I was saying Lady Arsenal

    They have no class.

    Class is not something you can win like trophy’s its something that you are bread with and Arsenal is run in the utmost best interest of keeping that standard of class.

    If cesc wants to go to barca let him go… give us 50 million of your countries money lol because it wont be coming from the club lol!!!


    • Phil
      May 19, 2010

      Class is being a fan of Club X and going to the blog of Club Y and being unable to carry a debate with the slightest semblance of decorum and intelligence.

      • Gareth
        May 19, 2010

        Class is rising above the petty arguing of smaller minded people as “you are better than that”. Oh snap I have no class!

        • Ryan
          May 19, 2010

          First off, what exactly are you doing on a Barça blog?

          Second, “trophy’s” and “bread?” Really? Deu meu, those errors do not help your cause!

      • jake
        May 20, 2010

        This article appeared on Arsenal News Now. Most are coming from there.

  28. Greg Goon
    May 19, 2010

    shut up you lol.

    Grown up argument lol.


    I do not understand how fans cannot travel to watch there teams… you are a bunch of arm chair supporters lol that whistle at your teams ffs… when I watch your fans its awful they whistle like there is a bunch of dogs on the field.

    Come to a english game you will here songs from from everything to adebayors mum washing elephants to tottenham green bottles lol.

    You can have your club run by the presidents and elections lmao we have fair and honest teams playing there hearts out every weekend here…


    • tutomate
      May 19, 2010

      Is that actually an argument of your “haha you don’t sing”, really that’s what you got? Here I have one your team can’t dominate actual top class teams: Chelski, ManU, Barca.

      • Greg Goon
        May 19, 2010

        So why are we 3rd richest team in the world and you are 4th

        There is one LEAGUE you cannot manipulate!!!

        Chelski dominate lol 3 premierships against our 13, 5 FA cups against are 15 lol.

        We done what we have with a very tight budget and great business mould we are the envy of the world when it comes to business.

        you write comments without thinking.

        If you took the singing and AWAY fans out of the english league we would be crap, but its not important to you guys lol… that is why the spanish league with all the players in the world is not even close to the EPL.

        Every country in the world watches the english league… and its the richest by a COUNTRY MILE because of the simple things lol.

        go and watch your dog whistling muppets lol


        • tutomate
          May 19, 2010

          When was the last time you won the Premiership?
          Who won the premiership Last?
          When was the last time you won the CL?
          Who beat who at the Chelsea-Arsenal match?
          Who beat who at the Arsenal-Chelsea match?
          Arsenal ManU?
          Arsenal- Barca?

          OK then?

          • jake
            May 20, 2010

            How long did Barca go without a trophy until the recent success? 5 years is it? Football isn’t always about trophies.

            • Anurag
              May 20, 2010

              Are you thick?

              CL, La Liga double in 2005-06. That’s two years.

        • Greg Goon
          May 19, 2010

          tutumate… I am talking about off the field

          We are better than you because the FORBES list does not lie 😉

          And how can such a crap team like ARSENAL lol as you think.

          Be richer than you lol with all your stars and players pmsl!!!!!


          • Kevin O
            May 19, 2010

            Hey Greg… Im a barća AND arsenal supporter, so I may be a bit better in understanding where you ate coming from.. If you say that arsenal are better because they are richer, then you dontbunderstand what it is to have money and keep it, and to have money and spend it on the hope of bettering yourself.. With this argument you Are portraying arsenal as a rich club yes, but what Is the sense of being rich if there is no silverware to show for it??

            And don’t attack our fans! We are just as passionate as the gooners, and we cheer just as loudly for our team. The reason there is whistles is because we may expect Barcelona to play at an absurd level of football, a level we expect from the best. And if you didn’t know, fans in England, and arsenal fans as well, may not whistle, but the stubborness is there. The hooliganism is there. Arsenal fans don’t whistle beacuse they expectations are simply lower.

            Finally, about the sprinkler thing.. Now this is just me being me, but I wished the water pressure was higher.. The reason being because I hate romance-less football( hence I support Barcelona and arsenal.) I couldn’t stand to see the special idiot win by giving fans a match which was the perfect example of park the bus.. A rather boring strategy for fans to see. Obviously this was the only way he could win, but I think an arsenal fan of all people should understand why we were disgruntled. We( arsenal and bárca) fans alike, support the clubs because of the gorgeous football they play on the pitch.. And we do not condone or necessarily encourage the behaviour of the boards. So for all you gooners who come to this great blog to quarrel with the bfb population, you guys are wrong. Why, because what good does complaining to a bunch of dedicated cules do? What do we bárca supporters who blog from different parts of the world have to do with the movement of our board?

            • Kevin O
              May 19, 2010

              Oh one more thing my rant left out.. I think that you are mis informed when it comes to the singing. Have you ever heard el can’t del bárca before matches? Simply glorious.. Plus, if there is less singing, it’s because Spanish and English culture is different. The English sing ridiculous ditties in the hope of boosting the atmosphere of dull nil nil games with bogged down midfield play, or after theirvteam has take the lead.
              Spanish fans are different in that they appreciate football as a fine art. Much like if you were to go to the movie theatre and sit with your popcorn. The Spanish fans view matched as shows of majesty, and of battles and pride. There is no need to sing entire match simply because most fans are speechless and entranced on the brand of football barcelona plays.

              • leoleoleomessi
                May 20, 2010

                you are right on so many levels.
                about the sprinklers at the end of the CL semi final. if i was in charge of the sprinklers, i would’ve put them on too. i think that mourinho was acting like a child celebrating like that, and i was digusted by the act. if guardiola had progressed to the final at the san siro and had celebrated like that, i would be equally annoyed with him.
                the arsenal fans have taken losing cesc really badly. and i think it shows how much they love him. i don’t really want fabregas to leave arsenal, because they are a team i respect and i don’t want a bitter feeling between the two clubs in the future because of this. fabregas is a fantastic player, but hes not good enough to break into the barca 1st team, yet.
                one more thing, never mind about fabregas barca, get rid of ibra!…i’ve never liked that guy

              • May 20, 2010

                Yeah… English Fans sing so much because they are drunk most of the game.

            • May 20, 2010

              Pep was upset because Inter did not water their field during the first game. I think that is why the sprinkles came on… Just my theory. Mourinho and Inter playing the victim game was pathetic. Half of their team is actors and thugs.

    • lovelymofo
      May 19, 2010

      I think billy jean is one of yours, he’s not telling you personally to shut up.

      So, does class also mean going to blogs you don’t usually visit and trash talking?

    • Helge
      May 19, 2010

      Fair and honest teams? You mean fair players like Boateng or Shawcross etc.? 😀

    • iBlau
      May 19, 2010

      Win trophies then show your face here. Tired of you lot now.

    • Ryan
      May 20, 2010

      All caps and no apostrophes make for a better argument!

      In any case, you should be more worried about running into us again with a front line consisting of Villa, Ibra, and Messi, rather than getting worked up over a transfer rumor that won’t be happening for a few years at least.

    • Vj
      May 20, 2010


      NO trophies since when?

    • May 20, 2010

      you sing because your drunk most of the time, and you travel clubs have to double their security. Class… Fair and honest play. Ahh sure whatever.

  29. Tutomate
    May 19, 2010

    This is sooooo fun. Please keep the trolls coming their idiocy is fun to read. I vote for a Cesc post everyday just for the fun of watching a dead horse get beat over and over again.

    • tutomate
      May 19, 2010

      I don’t want you guys to leave, but I thought you be too busy fighting amongst each other about how those who follow AW are sheep and those who don’t are not real fans.

      In Arsen We trust indeed. Or is it Arsene knows best. I hope Barca does buy Cesc just to watch Arsene put that money away and not buy a suitable replacement.

      Funny how a La liga side beat Fulham in the Europa league.

      • Gooner
        May 19, 2010

        3rd team is 30 points behind top 2 there’s no competition…

        • tutomate
          May 19, 2010

          No competition for the Top 2 but sure enough for the PL?

  30. HjH
    May 19, 2010

    @Jnice: Chamakh contract with Bordeaux is reaching an end in the summer. According to the Bosman ruling, a player will be able to join any club he wants then. A Pre-contract can be signed 6 months before the contract ends as well. So Arsenal are in the clear there.

    The Difference is that Fabregas is under contract with Arsenal for four more years, and clubs are not allowed to contact the player to negotiate deals unless they have the clubs (which the player plays for) permission. I’m not saying Barca have done this though. I have no idea really. But what I do know is that Barca (& Real Madrid) have had some special transfer tricks to get players. They leak a story saying that they are interested in a player, the player thinks it is possible to move, and suddenly he won’t perform as good as he can on the pitch, leading to the club selling, because he doesn’t make any good to the club.

    This “tactic” have been used by Barca & Real Madrid several times and it’s disgraceful.

    • Kxevin
      May 19, 2010

      But consider that for a moment. Wouldn’t the tail-off in performance, in an effort to get transferred, adversely affect the player’s salary and transfer fee?

      Big clubs have to be scrupulous in the avoidance of any transfer improprieties. Lawsuits, fines and canceled transfers can really mess up a season.

      • majatt
        May 19, 2010

        I remember when Wenger said Arshavin wasn’t good enough to play in the EPL. His for dipped and he was bought the following transfer window.

  31. kamikaze kontiki
    May 19, 2010

    Ballague is a Madridista and and some other stupid sort of wannabe who keeps sprouting rumours claiming “inside knowledge” and any other source that cant be substantiated.

    • May 19, 2010

      Isn’t he an Espanyolista, actually? He’s from Barcelona and according to Wikipedia (the most trustworthy site on earth), he is a perico. Not quite Madridista, but close.

  32. Kxevin
    May 19, 2010

    But the comments about Fabregas “having Barca DNA” aren’t entirely inaccurate, if you believe that where a player learns the roots of his game reside in his bloodstream. And Fabregas, as a youth player, was schooled in the Barca way of playing. Those attributes are what made him initially attractive to Arsenal, and have helped him become the force that he is. Wenger’s efforts were also brilliant in that regard.

    For the record, I rather imagine that Barca fans would be the same way if someone were courting Messi. Maybe not. But it’s illustrative that in the aftermath of the rumor that the EE was going to offer 150m for Messi, our little genius said that he would never consider playing for That Other Spanish Team.

    I think it’s all so silly.

    Someone up top accused me of having something against Fabregas. Wrong. I do have something in my heart for Barca, however, and we have more pressing needs than a 50m mid who isn’t going to start. He’ll still be 50m in a few years, so why not then — if he wants to come — after we have dealt with the real needs of our club.

    This presidential election is making otherwise sane people stupid. Bringing a player “home” shouldn’t be an election platform. It should be something based in the sporting needs of the club.

  33. inNYC
    May 19, 2010

    Am I the only one who thinks Xavi has more than 2-3 years left at the top of his game? Yeah, he’ll lose a half-step, or a step, or whatever quantity of steppage, but what sets him apart is vision, timing, movement, touch, all that stuff. People keep saying stuff like “in two or three years when Xavi is past his prime,” as if he’s due for glaucoma and a hip replacement. Barring some really bad injury karma (knocks self on head with large slab of wood), I respectfully disagree.

    • May 19, 2010

      I respectfully think your man crush on Xavi has clouded your judgment. He is already 42, has a collection of cats that follow him around, and sprays passes about the pitch like a punctured colostomy bag.

  34. Ciaran
    May 19, 2010

    For the record, Guillem Ballague is a parakeet, ie an Espanyol fan, the direct rival of Barca. He is a journalist and thus his job is to get people to read his stories. It’s fucking working

  35. tutomate
    May 19, 2010

    We can sing: Cesc to Barca Oe Cesc to Barca Oe


    • tutomate
      May 19, 2010

      We also speak Spanish, French, Italian, Catalan, Chinese, Portuguese, Arabic, Hindu. and the list goes on so I don’t see your point.

    • Ciaran
      May 19, 2010

      in regards to the fact that spanish fans do not travel to away games, why not ask how many fans of this blog have been to Barcelona to see our beloved team play. I know that many of us have flied many varying distances to see our team, myself included

      • Luna
        May 20, 2010

        Here Here! I am not rich but I too have traveled to see Barca play, and that was the ONLY reason!

  36. Ciaran
    May 19, 2010

    And for any Arsenal fan unconvinced of Arsene’s tapping up of Chamakh, put in the link and keep going through to see when Wenger’s comments about him start

    • Jim
      May 19, 2010

      you mean he started giving short responses to the press when he was asked about it in the last summer transfer window. Let’s see:

      “Chamakh is a very good player but that does not mean I have called him,” said the manager. (as a response from a journalist question)

      and then later:
      Asked if the Morocco international is of interest, he said: “Yes, but only in the event of a departure.”

      and then:
      The Arsenal manager said: “He is a player we were close to signing, but at the moment we have lost a little bit of touch with him because there is no transfer period now. “We might reconsider the position if it is needed in January.”

      so that’s what Barca fans call tapping up? they should read what their own players and managers have to say about Fabregas maybe.

      let’s compare it to Messi in example:
      “Cesc has a place for Arsenal in his heart but he has Barcelona in his blood,” Messi reportedly told the Daily Express. “He will want to win the biggest prizes in football and I expect him to do that at Barcelona. “I don’t know exactly when that will be but I expect him to be my Barcelona team-mate again at some point. When you grow up at a club, it is more than just a club. The players, the people in the club will be like family.”

    May 19, 2010

    EL ESPECIAL ONE TO MADRID – My TV signal just broke- Football its officially soap opera ( if ur a madridista)


  38. Keb
    May 19, 2010

    I am an arsenal fan, may I just say that I have not yet come across any fans who did not understand why Cesc would want to go to Barca. If some have commented on this blog about the “evil”barca then they are a minority.
    I believe that most of us are resigned to the fact he will probably join BArca at some point.
    However I do share your sentiment of annoyance that all this stem from an unfounded story from Ballague. Every summer he is on sky sports saying oh yeah this season he will sign for barca. So eventually he will be right, but so would be everybody playing this particular game.

    Should Cesc actually leave this summer, I would be annoyed at the message it sends and annoyed about Cesc signing this huge financial extension to his contract and the loyalty bonuses involved in it just a few months ago (although as I am writing this I realised that this could be as unfounded as Ballague’s story). But I don’t think that concerning on the pitch result that Arsenal would be that worse off if we do re-invest his transfer money in other players.

    • tutomate
      May 19, 2010

      Thanks Keb for being reasonable. You’re right about guillem too.

  39. shmer
    May 19, 2010

    What you write towards the Arsenal fans is ridiculous, ill-informed and one-eyed. If, by now, you have not realized that Barcelona have performed the most disgusting act of tapping up, completely without parallel in the history of football, you are either dumb or choose to ignore it.

    “It is great news that he wants to come. [But] sometimes what players want does not happen [because] they have contracts in force. I think that at some stage Cesc will come to Barcelona. I don’t know when but I have the feeling that he is a Barcelona player and he would love to play here. But we have to respect Arsenal and the contract he has there.”

    Which means: Tapping up, tapping up, showing no class at all by commenting on lose speculation and lies (the part about Cesc wanting to come to Barcelona now), tapping up and then ending with… but we have to respect Arsenal.

  40. tomstoned
    May 19, 2010


    cheers mate but you are fighting a lost battle my friend..you should worry more about barca being run as a football club and not as a bank…it comes down to honor..respect and fair play…you do play excellent football….why not let that be the standards for barca…get rid of the politics and banks…be a real club…fight with others on equal terms…be proud..not stupid…
    and i must say one small thing its abit strange..La Liga is not a proper league…atletico…well was very lucky in the european league..so luck and forlan…still well done…but winning the league with 40 points ;)does speak for itself and it was very close …Real..wasnt very far off…so La Liga is in a terrible state financially…and there isnt much competition…villareal is an example to follow…well run club..

    so my friend…when the financial crisis starts to mount,and Spain soon will be in Greece’s position,what will you lot do….and a quick reminder 60%av La Liga teams are already struggling with a simple thing like paying their players wages…nope your on a fast track down the drain…

    hasta la vista………..Spain…

    and barca well….no honor..no respect..

    • Ciaran
      May 19, 2010

      Not much different to Portsmouth, or a number of lower division teams. The finances of football clubs globally are being ruined by agents, not clubs

    • tutomate
      May 19, 2010

      LA liga is not in good conditions. But to come to our blog and tell us how our club is run like a bank (explain that please)and than to say WE lack class, well that is just plain Hypocrisy.

      The PL has a lot good things that could be imitated by LA Liga (the style of play not being one of them) and steps are actually being taken to do this. For example LA Liga separating itself from 2nd and 3rd divisions and sharing TV rights A LA PL style.


  41. Euler
    May 19, 2010

    Football is governed by its own idiosyncratic free market principles. Principles that largely grew out of how the sport was formalized in England in the mid to late 19th century.

    Those were the seeds of the world the sport lives in now. Players are sold and bought as commodities.

    Both Arsenal and Barca are going to do what’s in their own business self-interest. Fabergas is going to try to do the same.

    Wegner is one of the top managers in the world. Fabergas is under contract and his fate is entirely dependent on what Wegner and Gazidis chose to do. Arsenal is a global business. They aren’t going to do anyone any favors, particularly when they have all the leverage.

    Ultimately, Wegner’s problems aren’t external – they are largely internal to the EPL. Chelsea and Man City’s changes in ownership have grossly disrupted the market forces that governed the EPL for decades. Arsenal (whose football I enjoy) has unfortunately been one of the clubs that has suffered the most from this aggressive business competition. That’s not particularly extraordinary. It happens all the time in business.

    Wegner and Arsenal are still attempting to adjust their organizational strategy to compete in the new financial climate of the EPL. Chelsea and Man U have rapidly accelerated the free market nature of the sport and have pushed it forward faster into a globalizing world.

    If Arsenal sees strategic advantage given the state of their club they will sell Fabergas. If not they won’t.

    Barca will act according to similar dynamics. They will do what’s in their self-interest. Given the coming elections what there is a real fight over what constitutes self-interest but politics are part of business.

    Barca is more than a club. It is a global business and brand. And it’s that process of globalizing it’s business that in part allows Barca to compete with a team in Madrid – and teams all over Europe – that have much larger populations, larger numbers of domestic supporters and more resources (political and financial) to draw on.

    The Fabergas situation has long since been overblown.

    • May 19, 2010

      See, this is why Euler writes here now.

      (I mean, it’s a long post!)

  42. Jose
    May 19, 2010

    lol, these Arsenal fans are hilarious. Kxevin, I am still angry that you guys have not set up the advertising-for-charity system for the Barcelona Football Blog, one of the original promises for this blog.

    Then we’d just need one Cesc-to-Barca post every week to fund a school in Mali!

    • May 19, 2010

      Ugh–we’ve been so delinquent about that! Stop reminding me of our failure to live up to the standards we set for ourselves.

  43. Nick
    May 19, 2010

    can you imagine any us pro team behaving towards a player under contract to another club as barca have? it is disgusting, and you’re forgiving the club makes me think you are not whom you say you are. of course barca are responsible. totally. had they shut up until 2014, i might think otherwise, but for the rest, all bs.

  44. tomstoned
    May 19, 2010

    Jose …

    i forgive you…..dont dispair…if you dont know what honor and respect means by now mate…your never going too….in almost every other country in the world we know that mixing politics and sport isnt a great thing to do…..

    • tutomate
      May 19, 2010

      Thanks for understanding and being so benevolent.

  45. Ciaran
    May 19, 2010

    Barcelona are run as a democracy, elected presidents and a board of directors. We cannot be bought and sold to the highest bidder. We can’t get taken over by a rich american and the profits we make are reinvested into the club at all levels. Morally our conscience is much clearer than that of any english club.
    Ask the red knights what they think of the glazers. Lerner for Villa. Abramovich etc.
    When Kroenke or Usmanov takes over Arsenal you’ll then get an idea of where you stand morally

  46. Colby
    May 19, 2010

    Kevin, can you promise that next time you post about Fabregas, or anything Arsenal related for that matter, you call it something like “Boring News of the Day”? I was hoping to be able to hear more opinions about what Euler said about creating width in more ways than one.

    I think Euler is spot on. We will be able to create plenty of width with Villa (assuming he is deployed on the left). There will be crazy Iniesta-Abidal-Villa action happening. When Villa cuts in diagonally to the box (or plays a little off Zlatan as a second striker from time to time throughout games), Abidal will streak down the line, and Iniesta will fill in for Villa at the top corner of the box. Then the defense is forced to cover Iniesta, Abidal, and Villa with two defenders. If the RB goes with Abidal and the CB goes with Villa (assuming the other CB is on Ibra), we are left with Iniesta taking on a midfielder one on one. Iniesta burns him and runs at the CB leaving Villa open. And boom goes the dynamite.

    Or if they cover Iniesta and Villa, there will be no midfielder to cover Abidal who will be able to whip in cross after cross at Ibra. Basically, I think all I am describing is a lot of what was happening last year with Henry. Except that Villa is better.

    • tutomate
      May 19, 2010

      Thats right. Finally both side of the attack will be more or less even. Which opens up space in the middle. I’m loving it.Which brings on the point that Kxevin made in this post, those 30 Million that Cesc is worth are better suited now for reliable back ups for abidal alves and the misfield.

    • Ciaran
      May 19, 2010

      There has been a lot of talk about reinforcing the full back areas. I don’t understand when anyone thinks the left back role needs anything. Abidal is the best left back on the planet and Maxwell has been incredibly consistent since his purchase. Revista pundits gave him a place in their team of the season to boot.

      • tutomate
        May 19, 2010

        Oh I got nothing against Maxwell he has been great another great buy. But abidal is getting older and we all know how long it can take a player to adapt to our system.

        • Bundy
          May 20, 2010

          the good thing is, I wouldn’t doubt Maxwell’s ability to play in midfield or on the wings either.

          which brings another point, should we go for a RB back-up that can play in midfield too?

      • Colby
        May 19, 2010

        I agree. I think, however, that we could definitely use a back-up RB so that if Alves gets hurt (is that even possible?) we wouldn’t be forced to put an aging Puyol out there.

        However, I do think if no cheap ( less than 10 m.) options present themselves we could get by with Maxwell as cover for both RB and LB. You may remember that Maxwell rocked at RB this season. And that Bartra wasn’t all that bad either. Obviously we should try to find someone willing to sit on the bench 45 games a year, but if that person doesn’t exist then so be it.

        • Euler
          May 19, 2010

          Alves getting injured is one of my biggest concerns with the club moving forward. They are so dependent on his game. His skill set is amongst the least replaceable on the club. They are very dependent on his game.

    • Euler
      May 19, 2010

      Colby- I would much prefer discussing Villa’s impact but such is silly season.

      It’s truly a fascinating set of opportunities for Pep to explore.

      Abidal’s role on the team may need to evolve if they are going to fully utilize Villa. Agreed on his importance.

  47. Kyle
    May 19, 2010

    Interesting read from Sid Lowe regarding this situation. Appears Ballague’s story may not be as unfounded as many here believe.


    In my opinion, Cesc has come to the realization that Arsenal are not and will not be able to compete at Barca’s level anytime in the near future. Cesc, like any other elite athlete, wants to play on the biggest of stages and win and Arsenal cannot provide that opportunity. This was quite evident during this year’s CL fixture.

    So all the Gunners need to come to grips with this inevitable transfer, and get on with their respective lives. At least you can take pride in the fact that you sing loudly while being mopped up by the world’s most elite team in CL. Sorry, I had to take a parting shot.


    • Gareth
      May 19, 2010

      Well in the match at the Camp Nou we were missing through injury…

      a)our captain and star midfielder Cesc Fabregas
      b)our vice captain and star striker Robin Van Persie
      c)our ex-captain and best defender William Gallas
      d)our record signing Andrei Arshavin
      e)our only real defensive midfielder Alex Song

      So that’s half of the first team out through injury, with Nasri, Vermaelen and Rosicky all played out of position. Hardly fair to judge the quality of our team based on that performance.

      And we may have been mopped up, but we had one less man (our main goalkeeper) on the pitch than you and STILL took the lead.

  48. tom
    May 19, 2010

    We don’t need Fabregas at Barca… If he comes he’ll stay at the bench, rotting. IF Xavi ever starts to “decline”, we still have Jonathan Dos Santos and Thiago. The only thing I fear, is that Wenger will try to include The Yaya and/or the two young’uns, IF Barca ever makes a bid (which I don’t think it will happen in the next 5 or more years).

  49. Euler
    May 19, 2010

    Exactly how can politcs and football be together.

    Roman Abramovich, through a series of subsidiaries and linked holding companies, has the rights to call in 726 million pounds worth of loans and debt owed to him by Chelsea FC.

    That would be a good example. Or we could talk about Arsenal Holdings opaque ownership structure and the decision of the Board to sell more shares to Stan Kroenke’s ownership stake to fend off the hostile bid by a Russian billionaire.

    If you want there are endless examples of Manchester City one could discuss. Or how about the Glazer’s ownership of Man U and how that deal was pulled off.

    But no, football and politics, have never, mixed.

    Not even when the game diffused around the world as part of the British Empire.

    • tom
      May 19, 2010

      Well said Euler…Also, the more obvious example of Berlusconi. President of Milan and Prime Minister of Italy.

      • Euler
        May 19, 2010

        Oh I know. The notion that football and politics are intimately connected is just hard to believe. They were connected from the beginning.

        You’re right of course. Berlusconi is the most glaring example. I was just sticking to EPL examples given the nature of the discussion. Also, I do think the EPL has globalized in ways which no other league has. That makes politics and it’s connection to football very complicated in a very modern way.

  50. Colby
    May 19, 2010

    Concerning Ibra and Villa: I think most of us remember the many times this season when Ibra dropped into midfield on certain possessions, leaving us without a striker. The benefit was that we had better possession and creativity for a brief while in the midfield. The problem was that we had no striker up top to get the ball too. Part of the reason why we had no striker was because Pedro was playing on the wing and he is no striker. But what happens next year when Ibra drops into the midfield as a false 9? Something like…


    Basically, we’ll have a proper striker playing striker (and by proper striker I mean one of the best 5 strikers in the world), and we get to have Zlatan in the false 9/CAM role that he likes to play from time to time (obviously this would only happen occasionally throughout games.)

  51. arsenal norway
    May 19, 2010

    You are right on many things, but there seems like there is a whole lot you have been missing the last years. Saying that Barcelona has not done anything to unsettle Fabregas is bullshit. All your annoying presidents and players like Xavi and Pique have been talking about him all the time. I dont know how many times I have read all the bullshit about cesc has to come home because he has Barca “DNA” etc. Start acting proffesional like most other clubs, you guys are annoying and respectless!! Cesc is staying with us! He is our captain, he is the king of Arsenal, we LOVE him and he LOVES us!!

    • Ciaran
      May 19, 2010

      we have not said that we have done nothing.
      Where there is smoke there is generally fire. The hierarchy of the club should have shut their traps.
      On the flip side, if none of it were true, Cesc would have come out and said that he was saying like Messi did when Inter were commenting on him last summer and when Madrid were linked with him a few weeks back

  52. lovelymofo
    May 19, 2010

    Yes, the entire blogging universe is beholden to your witty posts. Please. The only time I don’t like this blog is when some kind of Cesc/Arsenal post goes up b/c then we get Gooners like you letting us know just how classy you are.

    • Groverider
      May 19, 2010

      What classy like turning the sprinklers on a team that has just knocked you out of the CL? Yeah that’s your class right there.

      What the hells going on in that photo btw?
      Your posts are evidence enough that you like to stroke yourself
      pictorial proof really isn’t necessary.

  53. May 19, 2010

    The astute will probably notice comment counts dwindling as you type. Because this post is being moderated. We can discuss things in a civil manner. Those who can’t will have their comments deleted and if necessary, URLs banned.

    –On another note, I find it interesting (in a non-judgmental fashion) that many have a view of Arsenal as some Championship side, who can’t resist the lure of the big, giant club that comes calling. As I noted above, the Fabregas thing is simple: 80 million, or get lost. Ding! He’s a Gunner for next year.

    • Jose
      May 19, 2010

      Kxevin, I want you to think about that school in Mali. Seriously, with the hits we get a month, maybe there’s an advertising structure we could implement here? And donate any income to a charity of your choosing?

      • Ciaran
        May 19, 2010

        We could donate them to the Arsene Wenger Squad Reinforcing charity

  54. Kari
    May 19, 2010

    Why oh why did you have to put up a Arsenal related article when we just got Villa, Kxevin?

    Can we go back to the Villa-Ibra talk or how awesome a line-up of Villa/Messi/Pedro!/Iniesta/Villa/Xavi/Yaya/Abidal/Pique/Puyol/Milito/InsertPlayerIHaven’tMentionedHere ?

    Or do that thing I suggested last post. We do need a 4-1-1 on things…

  55. Helge
    May 19, 2010

    Pedro goes to South Africa !!! 😀

    And Valdes not, which was VERY clear from the beginning…

  56. Kyle
    May 19, 2010

    I would argue that FC Barcelona choose the path of respect, honor and fair play. How many of Arsenal’s starting XI were products of their youth system over the two legs of the CL quarters this year? Barca had 8 of 11, but I guess that doesn’t really matter.

    • Adam
      May 20, 2010

      Do you enjoy your blissful ignorance? Talk about rose-colored lenses…

    • BA
      May 19, 2010

      that’s Sid Lowe writing that. he’s generally the last to get around to a piece of Barca-related news, which means there’s a serious ring of truth there. i can’t recall him writing a similar piece (including the when, where, and how rather than the “why X would WANT) last summer or the summer before…

      we may have to resign ourselves to the fact that Cesc is coming home.

  57. I’m an Arsenal fan (and blogger), and am pretty embarrassed by most of the posts here from my fellow Arsenal fans. As a previous poster said, I don’t know that any reasonable Arsenal fan doesn’t understand that Barca has an attraction for Cesc that we could never match, and we’ve always known that he would go back someday.

    Kxevin, I do agree with almost all of what you wrote, and it’s pretty rare to find someone who has a reasonable take on this — kudos for that. That said, I do think you’re being a bit disingenuous with the “Who, me?” act from Barca. There has pretty clearly been a consistent effort to unsettle Cesc with all the “DNA” talk and other stuff. But you are right that Cesc allowed it to unsettle him — if he had simply said “Nope. I’ve been at Arsenal longer than I was at Barca, I love it here, and I am stating unequivocally right now that I will play out my contract here.” That would have solved the problem. But he didn’t, because he couldn’t honestly say that.

    Anyway, what I really wanted to say was that if this deal does go through — and I’m still very skeptical, but let’s assume it does — it’s a bit of a weird deal, right? Because to me it doesn’t really look like it makes sense for anyone involved:

    It doesn’t make sense for Cesc. Sure, he wants to be at Barca. But does he really want to be a back-up for the next 2-3 years? Wouldn’t he rather be the best player and captain on a team that will at least be near the top of the table and in the later stages of the Champions League? Why wouldn’t he wait a couple of more years for Xavi to start to decline a bit, and then get a bit more of the red carpet treatment from Barca.

    It doesn’t make sense for Barca. Sure, they’re adding a great player. But as you (rightly) put it, why would they spend so much money adding to an area where there is already exceptional strength? Even Barca probably couldn’t afford to do too much else this summer if they added Villa and Cesc, and they’ll have spent a lot of money without addressing their real areas of need.

    It doesn’t make sense for Arsenal. Yes, having that much money is nice. But we’re just now coming out of debt from the stadium construction, and from all the talk coming out of North London, it sounded like we were actually going to spend some money this summer for the first time in a while to build a really great team around Cesc. And we’ve got Jack Wilshere, a young Englishman with some serious playmaking chops, coming up through the ranks that could be Cesc’s heir apparent.

    The bottom line is that: I had always assumed that this move would happen 2-3 years down the road — Cesc hopefully wins a trophy with Arsenal, validating his career and captaincy with the club, Barcelona get an immediate, fully-formed, world-class replacement for Xavi, and Arsenal would hopefully have some kind of plan in place to make up for his absence.

    Adding to the overall weirdness of this is that while of course Arsenal fans don’t want this deal to happen, most reasonable Barca fans don’t want this move to happen at this time, either. Can you recall a move which both sets of fans were against, that didn’t seem to make sense for anyone involved, that went through anyway?

    • Ciaran
      May 19, 2010

      I honestly don’t believe that it would happen if it were not an election summer

    • tutomate
      May 19, 2010

      Actually you very reasonable post was right on par with The Kxevin said. Thanks for not spitting on our faces.

    • Kari
      May 19, 2010

      Exactly. Nice post, Thierry Ennui, this is exactly what we’re saying. Nice to see a reasonable Gooner!


    • Kxevin
      May 19, 2010

      Very true, Thierry. I also think that Arsenal will have a real shot at the title this season. But in all seriousness, you all need some better physios. Every season for years now, your title run has been derailed by a string of injuries that seem to me to be uncharacteristic.

      But Fabregas would be leaving at a time when Chelsea is aging, United is looking vulnerable, Liverpool won’t be anywhere near the top and Citeh will be …. well …. Citeh. Arsenal could come out on top, though I don’t know that you will without Fabregas.

      I still think that the timing is accurate, that it will happen a year or two down the road. I think that right now, Fabregas is looking at the championship celebrations that his boyhood mates are taking part in, and getting a hankerin’. But he should remember that he isn’t an aging veteran, like Henry was. He’s young, and not even approaching the prime of his game, strength or fitness yet.

    • Euler
      May 19, 2010

      Thanks for the post. Very well reasoned and written. The ill mannered comments in this thread clearly don’t reflect the feelings of the vast majority of gooners. Such is the internet.

      It is a strange deal that seems to be colored by politics – particularly the Barca elections. Why Cesc would want to leave – only he would know.

      But unfortunately, with new ownership at Chelsea and Man U, Arsenal do seem like they are in a state of flux and haven’t won like they have in the past. Perhaps that factored in.

      • I’m sure that’s most of it. When Barca do get him, you guys really are in for a treat. Reading this blog and other Barca blogs, I do think Barca actually tend to underrate him a little bit — he’s got a lot of skill, sure, but he’s also an absolute warrior who will run through a brick wall to win. It kills him that Arsenal haven’t won a trophy (and haven’t even really been that close) the last couple of seasons.

        But I also think it could be that the club has sold off a lot of the guys he was close to at the club. A couple of seasons ago, the group he supposedly spent time with off the pitch was Flamini, Senderos, and Hleb — all of whom were sent packing at the end of the 2007-2008 season. And then the last couple of seasons, rumor has it that Cesc and Merida have been palling around a bit, and with Merida apparently off, that goes, too. It seems like a silly thing to base a multimillion dollar decision on, but I do think it’s probably played some part.

        • Jose
          May 19, 2010

          Wow, I didn’t now that about Cesc (the friend situation).

          Still, I would totally get it… Sure it’s millions of pounds we’re talking about here, but he is still a young man who wants to enjoy his youth, and if he feels somewhat alone (or rather, feels he could be happier on a personal level) that could be affecting things. And if he isn’t happy, it might impinge on his ability to develop professionally.

          Then again, who knows what’s going on in this young man’s head?

      • cliveee
        May 20, 2010

        yes, we tend to underrate him, because we are spoiled. we are all spoiled by the talents in our squad. Cesc is good, but when you put him among these stars, his light becomes smaller. simple as that.

  58. Colby
    May 19, 2010

    Would it be too much to ask to have someone with admin powers go through and delete the offensive comments above? I’m not offended, but I’m not sure I can speak for everyone who reads this blog. Also, part of the reason why I love this blog is because of how clean it is kept.

    I picture it kind of like a dinner table. We come from many places and walks of life, and we all talk different ways. I’m sure many of us say offensive things when we are not on this blog. However, when we “come to the dinner table” we take off our hats and moderate what comes out of our mouths; we don’t completely change how we speak, nor should we, but we do moderate our speech to “dinner table talk” as your mom might call it.

    Unfortunately, every so often Arsenal fans find the blog and decide that they are going to spoil our nice dinner table atmosphere and say offensive things. I’d be somewhat okay with Arsenal fans coming onto the blog from time to time if they just ran their mouths politely, but they can’t resist from spouting off inappropriately. If you are going to invade someones blog and spout random nonsense (and give them a lot of hits while you are at it) please do so politely.

    • Kxevin
      May 19, 2010

      I think I got them all, Colby, but will make one last pass through.

    • Groverider
      May 19, 2010

      dinner party??

      you yanks just haven’t got a clue when it comes to banter do you?
      Utterly brainwashed into niceties in your safe little segregated conclaves of middle class suburban death.

      You’re comment is so offensively sanitised the stench of disinfectant is palpable, if you want polite take up golf.

      Laughable if it wasn’t so excruciatingly tragic

      • Kxevin
        May 19, 2010

        If being a “Yank” means being a fan of civilized discourse, then I’m a Yankee Doodle Dandy. Fact of the matter is that we get people from all over the world, who fancy a Barca blog in English. And in this space, yes, we tend to treat each other with respect and courtesy. Tragic it might be, but it’s certainly grown up, as well. We like it that way.

  59. Kari
    May 19, 2010

    For now, can all reasonable people go back to the “Tadaaaaaaaa! Welcome David Villa” post? Until Isaiah, Luke, Kxevin, Euler, SoMom, or Hector post something else…

    What say you?

  60. Kxevin
    May 19, 2010

    It would probably also be helpful to stick to football, since historical facts, such as how long Catalans have been killing, politics, etc. just distract from the real topic, and have the very real possibility of getting too personal.

    This is a simple matter of a highly paid footballer deciding (maybe) that he wants to be even MORE highly paid in another city (maybe) for another club (maybe). And one cranky blogger deciding that enough is enough, that everybody needs to calm down about this crap, and deal with it when/it it happens.

    Visiting someone’s blog and typing some of the comments I have read here is tantamount to being invited to a dinner party and defecating on the carpets. It’s unclassy and shameful.

    During the Champions League, there was nothing but respect between the two sides and (mostly) its fans. And now this? We can all be better and we should be, because a topic such as this shouldn’t be off limits because some people can’t comport themselves in an adult manner.

  61. Good to be a GOONAH!!
    May 19, 2010

    Great post. Balanced and fair minded.

    However, Cesc absolutely gets into both the Barce and Spain sides now. You will see the latter this summer and the former when Arsenal FC decide selling him is the best thing for the club. 4 or 5 years hence I think.

    Our turnover was £313.m. We have no money issues at all nor is our economy on the edge of disaster nor is our currency in crisis. Further, we didnt (too) recently hike the tax for top earners (footballers?). In short… he have absolutely no reason to sell. Meanwhile you are expanding the Nou Camp. And pay decent money to keep your players together. You are not awash with the sort of money required to turn our heads. And we do NOT want Yaya. Or your Swedish striker. We do have a spanish keeper you may be interest in? No?

    Anyway we have signed Cesc, Merida, Miquel from your youth system. And we will sign more if they are good enough.

    I respect very much the football your club plays. Your manager is the epitome of class too. A very great man.

    However, your club constantly talks about our players. That is a fact. The Unicef on your shirt is a nice touch but does not cover up the shambolic behaviour in defeat to Inter. The tackling Mourinho by Valdes was ridiculous. The simulation by Busquets even worse.

    No club is perfect but to deny that Barce have tapped our players is nonsense.

  62. jnelson
    May 19, 2010

    HAHAHA it is so funny reading comments everytime a post mentions Cesc.
    1. The majority of users of this blog don’t want him.
    2. BFB bloggers, have any of you been trolling Inter or EE’s blogs about their rumors to sign Messi? Chelski’s after their rumors to sign Dani Alves? Arsenal when they supposedly were going to sign Puyol? What about MLS’s New York Red Bulls since they are rumored to sign Henry? HAHAHAHA. This is hilarious.
    A suggestion: Barca buy Cesc for 50m and sell him to EE for 60m.

    • jake
      May 20, 2010

      Arsenal Newsnow is pretty popular amongst gooners and most of the posts mentioning Arsenal tend to appear on there. Which is why you see Gooners invading this blog from time to time. We aren’t simply searching Google for blogs mentioning Arsenal.

  63. jnelson
    May 19, 2010

    Maybe we should go trolling Arsenal blogs about how awful they are for selling us Cesc. I’m really thinking we should have done that when Hleb was rumored to be going to Barca. Does trolling make any difference on reality? No. I’m sure Joan Laporta is sifting through these comments, dismayed at how absurdly upset some trolls are about Cesc leaving Arsenal lmao.

    • Gareth
      May 19, 2010

      I think Laporta IS some of these trolls 😉

  64. lovelymofo
    May 19, 2010

    Hey, Sevilla won la Copa! I’m happy for them, would’ve been crazy if Atletico managed to come away with two Cups after having such a disastrous season. In terms of losses I mean.

    • Kari
      May 19, 2010

      Come back to the ‘Tadaaaaaa! Welcome David Villa” post, lovely. Until the admins post something else!

  65. Colby
    May 19, 2010

    Has anyone thought that we may have scuppered Madrid’s move for Silva by buying Villa? We know from last summer that Valencia won’t sell unless they absolutely must. With the 40 million Euros they got from us, they are probably back in the “orange–caution” zone of the debt-o-meter (where they were last summer which is why they held on to Villa) rather than the “bright red with flashing warning lights” zone that they have been in until today. So now, unless Madrid overpays and meets Valencia’s asking price for David Silva, Valencia won’t sell.
    What is that expression about a couple of birds and a stone?

    • Kari
      May 19, 2010


      Colby’s right, right? Of course he is. Colby is our man in the know. He just knows these things. Great going, Colby!

      [Now discuss this further in the previous “Tadaaa!” post.]

    • Helge
      May 19, 2010

      Wow! If that’s true, I’ll immediately declare this the deal of the season (and right now, I’m still more on the negative side about it. But that would change everything)

  66. Museum
    May 19, 2010

    Wow. I’m amazed so many Arsenal trolls even found this. Must be a “tin foil hat” thing. Nice to hear from the reasonable ones though. I think it’s true our guys shouldn’t have been so overt in their desire to have Cesc come, they should’ve handled it differently. On the other hand, Cesc probably could have put a stop to it at any time if he had wanted.

  67. Jnice
    May 19, 2010

    Did you guys and girls know that in only 5 La Liga games did we give up more than 1 goal? And in 3 occasions, that is when we had a commanding lead, ie. against Sevilla.

    Am I the only one that finds that to be an amazing stat?

  68. jim
    May 19, 2010

    Best forum post Ive read in a fair while

  69. Kxevin
    May 19, 2010

    Apparently, Arsenal have raised their asking price to 80m, which quashes this debate once and for all, unless Fabregas submits a formal transfer request, which he certainly won’t do, nor should he.

    This means that we can go back to sorting out things that the club actually needs. Hats off to Arsenal for wanting to keep him, thus saving us some stress.

  70. Jay
    May 19, 2010

    Excellent post Kxevin its good to see the Barca viewpoint on this nonsense. Simple facts are Number One: Cesc cannot have handed in a transfer request to Wenger as they couldn’t have met as Wenger is not in the UK. Number Two: Cesc has four years on a contract which the Arsenal Board have categorically stated has to be honoured Number Three: Barcelona and Arsenal both state that they have had no discussions in this matter. Number Four: Cesc will go back to Barcelona all Arsenal fans have known this from day one but I guarantee he will do so in style with class and with respect to all, in summary NO TRANSFER NO DEAL NO STORY perhaps you might like to tell that idiot on SkySportsNotNews and the gutter press in Spain that. I in turn will try to tell our rumour mongering asswipe journo’s the same. Viva La Quinte Brigade good luck Barca for the future a great team a great city

  71. Jay
    May 19, 2010

    disrepectful site just like your club grrrr I posted a nice friendly piece on here and it dont appear?

  72. Andy B
    May 19, 2010

    Does anyone here speak Spanish? If so, this isn’t directed at you: Usted los ventiladores plásticos de Barca es albóndigas

    • Somwhere
      May 20, 2010

      your spanish sucks. nice try to cal us plastic fans using Google translate but you’ve failed
      a ventilador is a ceiling fan, not a fan of a sports team


  73. Blow-Grenade
    May 19, 2010

    Wooooaaaahh!!!! BARCENAL classhh of epic proportions!!!!

  74. Diesel
    May 19, 2010

    As an Arsenal fan, I can only say this: The Spanish and English media are guilty of unsettling every good player in the world on a shockingly consistent basis. I haven’t always been a fan of the Barca administration’s comments in re: Cesc, but at the end of the day interest from other clubs is flattery. The media, on the other hand, are insidious, and it’s horrifying that Cesc hasn’t had a week go by in the last three seasons where some bullshit about him and his DNA hasn’t been brought to him. His desire to go to Barca might come down to nothing more than fatigue.

    Bottom line is Cesc will move because he wants to, and as much as it pains me, that’s the way it SHOULD be. Maybe he goes now, but he definitely goes at some point. All we can hope for is a fair fee; he has repaid his wages with exemplary service, and I’ll choose to appreciate what we have/had than what we no longer will, whenever he ceases being a member of the club.

    I also hope, at some point in time, the Spanish giants decide they have enough world-class players already, and leave a few for the rest of us. But that’s just jealousy; if Arsenal was in Barca’s situation, I’d feel not a c-nt-hair of sympathy.


  75. Blow-Grenade
    May 19, 2010

    I think the BFB people are luckey that we Barca fans are a bit more civilized/subtle in the way we explain things. Imagine if you had to write blogs and deal with fans such as the ones Gunners would have. Your heads would explode.

  76. vicsoc8
    May 19, 2010

    I can’t be arsed to read all of the comments. I’m sure there’s some good stuff hidden in there somewhere, but I can remember too keenly the last post that had Fabregas in the title.

    Am I the only one getting the feeling that Barcelona won’t make a move for Fabregas this summer? I keep hearing Laporta and Txiki say “We will look at it from a sporting point of view” – and that to me says he isn’t needed this year. Am I the only one hearing that?

  77. dj
    May 19, 2010

    I’m a Arsenal fan and I agree, everybody just shut up!! Barca players need to shut up, Cesc need to shut up, Barca reps need to shut up, press really need to shut up, fans need to shut up and the person the post this need to shut up too!! EVERYBODY JUST SHUT UP!! LOL

  78. Benj
    May 19, 2010

    Not to mention have you ever seen a sponsor on our shirts?
    Because we have UNICEF, whom WE PAY every year to have their logo on the front, not the other way around. 1.5 million euros in fact.
    We could be making money on it, but then again, this is why we are Mes Que Un Club!
    Visca el Barca.
    PS: Great post kxevin, you do us proud every time you post mate.
    From Oz, we love ya!

    Also, kind of off topic, with D.V in the team has anyone considered *shock horror* switching to a 4-4-2 which might accomodate our big Swede a bit better? Same back line, Yaya/Xavi in the middle, Ghosty and Lil Leo on the wings and the two up front, Ibra playing just ahead of Davey?

    Food for thought?

  79. tpjkevin
    May 19, 2010

    For what it’s worth, it’s awfully amusing that Barca needs our players all the time.

  80. Good post, I agree with almost everything you say. If Cesc leaves, I’d be happy for him because it would be something he really wants. And I would understand completely.

  81. Dr. J
    May 19, 2010

    Wow. I didn’t realize so many gooners read this blog. So I will clarify some things for them, because they only seem to know one side of the whole Cesc saga.

    1. Tapping up means negotiating with a player without club’s permission. Which Barcelona hasn’t done. It is also illegal. Answering questions about a player in media however is not.

    2. Have you people forgot how you went about signing Cesc? You did not make any offer to Barcelona, you just signed the player on a professional contract, which he couldn’t do in Spain because of the laws. That is real classy indeed. You did exactly the same with Merida.

    3. You had to pay a sum of money for Fabregas and Merida after court rulings, which clearly shows which clubs uses illegal means to get the desired players.

    You can be happy with what Cesc has given you and the money you will get for him. You got him for peanuts and against the will of FC Barcelona. You however have the chance to say no. It is really simple – just say no. I don’t see how it is FC Barcelona’s fault if your club doesn’t do that. We did not have that chance so you can count yourselves very lucky.

  82. Northbank Gooner
    May 20, 2010

    You seem to forget that Barcelona did exactly the same with Henry. And with Hleb. It’s always “hints” and “inuendo” to de-stabilise the player.

    Your football is fantastic Barcelona. Your club is a disgrace.

    And an american from Chicago telling real football supporters to shut up?


    • Kxevin
      May 20, 2010

      But you seem to have this oddball xenophobia that says football fans have to come from X nation. The fact that football is a global game in every sense of the word makes such myopia even more remarkable.

      Yes, I live in Chicago. And an a Barcelona socio. And have been to some 20 matches in the last 3 seasons, all at the Camp Nou. I will also be traveling to Barcelona to vote in the upcoming presidential elections, as they are a significant one for the sporting future of the club.

      So what’s your point, exactly?

      I would suggest that the disgrace is the comportment of the majority of Arsenal fans who visit this space and behave like savages. A little bandwidth and anonymity seems to endow many (they believe) with the freedom to be total gits.

      Fact of the matter is that if you were to ask most Barca supporters, they would laugh at the notion of paying any more than 30m for a player who left us because he wasn’t going to be getting any playing time. He made the right choice for his future. He still isn’t as good as Xavi or Iniesta, so he wouldn’t be starting anyhow, were we stupid enough to splash for him.

      Further, why are Arsenal supporters acting as if your club is some third-rate side? Wenger is whining in the media, your chairman is saying what we already know, which is that Fabregas isn’t good enough to crack out starting lineup. Yet still, the nonsense continues, solely because this is an election year.

      Ultimately, we won’t pay what Arsenal are asking, nor should we. And you will have to be content with keeping a player who doesn’t want to be there, wondering, every time he has an off match, it is isn’t really because he is there against his will.

      Have fun with that. 😀

      • jake
        May 20, 2010

        Wenger is whining in the media? He haven’t spoken a word, neither has anyone official from the club aside from Hillwood but he doesn’t represent the clubs views.

    • May 20, 2010

      I am sick and tired of SOME Arsenal fans speaking out of their asses and making insults to compensate for their stupidity.

      The notion that we “unsettled” or de-stabilized your players is the dumbest argument that can ever be made. As if your players and clubs have no say in the matter. They decide their own fate. Did you read what Arshivin said lately?

      Grow up, get real and take responsibility for what happens at your club and what decisions your players take.

      Febregas is not even a starter in the world club, behind Ineista and Xavi. You would take half of our players if you can. And please get off your moral high horse, Arsenal hardly have any English starters in their first 11.

      And I for one, don’t really care if we sign him or not.

  83. Cuntberry
    May 20, 2010

    Cesc won’t go as Barca won’t pay.

    They tap him up, and then think they can get him on the cheap, pathetic Spanish turds. It goes some way to explain why Spain has such a shit hole of an economy.

    Cesc has a five year contract. 50 – 80 million. anything less he ain’t going nowhere.

  84. RossaAFC
    May 20, 2010

    Give our Spanish friends a break guys. This is their one little power trip they get each year. When their corrupt big two clubs go around tapping up players of decent clubs being run in a decent way.

    I find it amazing how all this money is generated in a semi third world nation. All they have to hold up their economy is selling oranges and sherry. If it was not for the two weeks holiday us and the Germans take there each year, they would struggle to eat!

    If Barca have finally managed to turn Cesc’s head let him go. There was an Arsenal before Cesc and there will be one after. He will be replaced and in a couple of years and we can all have a laugh about we fleeced Barca again by nicking one of their brightest propects and selling him back to the mugs for fifty million seven years later.

    I say fleeced because look at the history of Arsenal players moving the Barca;

    Arsenal Barca Fee
    Henry Best player in the world Average 16mil

    Hleb Class Worse than shit 13mil

    Petit world class played out of position shit 8mil

    Overmars failure world class total failure 25mil

    Total of 62 million wasted.

    I am not saying Cesc won’t perform for you. He will. But again we will have made a packet of you.

    When will Barca learn that it is Wenger who gets the best out of these players and Barca have never had a coach in his league to do the same.
    What you did with Henry was laughable. He was a failing Winger at Juve, so Wenger buys him turns him into the best striker of all time. Then Barca sign him, and stick him on the wing again. What a surprise, he fails.

    The thing that does annoy me is how these “so called” football clubs, take the best talent away from the English game for vast sums of money. Hence depriving English fans of the privilege of watching them play week in, week out. Whilst for the next twenty years, our taxes will be used to bail out their piss poor economy.


    • Kxevin
      May 20, 2010

      Actually, the power trip that we get comes from lifting trophies. Now, I realize that this is something that is a bit foreign of late to your club. Perhaps if that weren’t the case, Fabregas wouldn’t want to come to a club that does win championships.

      It’s funny how in talking about the “English game” and “English fans,” your outrage is about a Catalan player, plying his trade for a club that doesn’t start any Englishmen.

      And by the by, Henry didn’t fail at Barca. He was an integral part of the club his first season, and crucial to our all-conquering success last season. This season was a difficult one with age and injuries. Were he himself, we probably would have been all-conquering again.

      And our “so called” football club was founded in the late-1800s, just as Arsenal was. It also starts 7 players of national heritage, and still manages to excel not only in the league, but in the head-to-head cauldron of European football. Now if you want to make yourself feel better by making assumptions that aren’t supported by fact, have at it.

      As for your precious tax dollars, the European Union, were it to adopt such a policy, has a number of other countries far worse off than Spain economically, which isn’t all that far off of England, if you can spare a moment to peruse the financial dailies.

  85. bergkampisgod
    May 20, 2010

    Barcelona had hoped to unveil both Fabregas and £34m new boy David Villa at the Nou Camp tomorrow and believe they have agreed terms with the Arsenal player.

    Which suggests they have talked to him and made an offer without Arsenals permission

    In any language that’s tapping up

    • May 20, 2010

      Your conclusion is not supported by evidence or fact. Merely extrapolation of statements made by speculative Media reports. In college they offer Logic 101 courses. I think you might benefit from one.

  86. Auld Super
    May 20, 2010

    Let’s look at the facts, Cesc talks to winger and tells him he wants to leave. This could well be true as on past performances the lad doesn’t have much patience and is strong willed remember this is the same guy that left the biggest club in the world to go to another country at 16 and try his luck, that takes balls. He’s coming this summer no doubt about it but I don’t see what the rant is about christ it’s football and this is a major part of it so relax.

    Rumours today we’re signing Torres and some Belgian kid for 25m, wheres all this money coming from. Some reports say we’re debt free but others and the ones I tend to believe incidentally say it’s about 220m and if it is then I say that’s enough and we don’t need all these players if it means we head the way of madrid and utd ie. crippled with debt.

  87. andylowe14
    May 20, 2010

    Buying fabregas is one of the worst business decisions a club could make, if you want a great player get them before they are worth silly money, like Barca did with Messi, like Man United did with Ronaldo, and like arsenal did with Fabregas and Henry. To try and buy a a really good midfielder (he is a special talent) from a club where he is the central figure who everything revolves around, where he is captain and has a great relationship with club and fans, where he is 23 and under contract for another 5 years…… its just a really bad player to try and target. We all know he came from Barcelona and went through the academy, etc etc, but that was 7 years ago.. he belongs to arsenal. You can get a good creative midfielder for so much less money

  88. Good to be a GOONAH!!
    May 20, 2010

    The Chicago chap… mate, your club is £400m in debt.


    Live the dream. But you will pay the price. You probably have a vague notion of the Spanish economy but please understand that it is a disaster zone. Barce simply cannot afford their players any longer. Before long things will get Messi.

    The tax system has changed as (some of) you know so that top earners now pay much more than before. Spain used to feature a loophole for foreign high earners which gave Real/Barce an usual advantage in signing players. Now no longer.

    With your debt it is fanciful that your club could even afford the phone call to contact Arsenal.

    But it you would like to buy a Spanish keeper, I’ve give you a very good price. A price even your club could afford.

    Ask Sandro Rosell.

    And this business of Arsenal illegally signing Cesc, Merida and Miquel… it was absolutely within the rules. Because a tribunal judged that we must pay you a small fee, that doesn’t mean there was anything ‘illegal’. It was just a settlement. Its very naive to suggest otherwise.

    • May 20, 2010

      I am glad you feel good about being a goonah, because it cant be good to be this dumb. We actually reported profits last year. The rest of your comments is not even worth responding to.

  89. Good to be a GOONAH!!
    May 20, 2010

    EURO gonna end up selling us Messi.

  90. drona
    May 21, 2010

    Arsenal will sell only if Barca can pay for Cesc in Gold not the stupid and screwed up Euro

    I have tons of paper with me, would like to know if the ECB twats are willing to buy for printing more Euros

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