Cesc Fabregas is bad luck!

I am wearing all black, because I am a jinx.

So. Here’s what we officially have to say on the Cesc Fabregas matter:

“Given the exceptional repercussions created by the stories that have appeared in different media with respect to an agreement with Arsenal FC player Cesc Fabregas, Barca flatly deny that there have been any negotiations or agreements with the player.

“In accordance with FIFA regulations, FC Barcelona’s contract policy has always made it a priority to negotiate with the club of origin before making any particular agreement with the player. FC Barcelona wishes to stress that it has always maintained excellent institutional relations with Arsenal FC.”

But let’s look at something, shall we? Since the bootlicking Barca-centric press started nattering on about this Fabregas thing being a done deal, we have had nothing but bad luck.

–Alves hurt in warmumps ferchrissake!
–The Yaya hurts his groin.
–Marquez and Pique are suspended.
–Abidal gets hurt in what was supposed to be a nice little traveling practice exhibition.
–Txigrinski hurts his thigh.

Note that this latest blow comes right after El Mundo Deportivo swears up and down that we have a 5-year deal with the Arsenal captain, that will pay him slightly less than Xavi and Iniesta.

So the obvious conclusion to be drawn is that Cesc Fabregas is bad luck. Before all this stuff happened, we were fine. Cruising along, undefeated in the league with everybody and their mamas healthy. We were chattering about our glut of defenders, and what a luxury it was.

And now look.

My view is that Arsenal can keep their plague-backed talisman. What’s next? Locusts? First-born sons becoming EE fans? Carles Puyol being dragged away by flying monkeys?

This Fabregas business has to stop, and I mean right now.

That is all.

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125 Comments

  1. yogi
    February 10, 2010

    Ha ha. Interesting take. Now we have start appeasing the spirits:). Maybe i shall by indulging in some spirits tonight.

  2. February 10, 2010

    We added two Physical training session per week since we were knocked out of the cup.

    I don’t know.

  3. Helge
    February 10, 2010

    Completely true! This is actual journalism, based on facts and matters in stead of made up bullshit!

    Damn you, Cesc!!!

  4. Adam
    February 10, 2010

    A poorly argued case coupled with a spurious set of facts produced by someone with too much time on their hands.

  5. Lou
    February 10, 2010

    (I originally posted this at the end the last thread after Kxevin posted a new article).

    Jeez, were there giant craters or quicksand traps on this field they were practicing on yesterday?

    We only need to get though this one match because Pique and Marquez should be back next week. It’s not a great situation, but Pep has the rest of the week to prepare.

    Last year when we lost to Atleti the team was exhausted from playing two games a week with lots of international games thrown in. They were making stupid mistakes and Valdes wasn’t in greatest form. Now, key players are getting more rest and I think the team has a lot more confidence in themselves. Pep will have them ready to play.

    I’m guessing Fontas will start as he’s already played some first team minutes this season. Quite the trial by fire though if that is the case.

    I suppose Pep could decide to play Keita at left back and Maxwell at right back… that’s a lot of people playing out of position though.

  6. February 10, 2010

    Last year we did a survey and found that if we took all the daily papers and their stories, and at the same time just made up our own stories, there was no difference in the success rate of each story coming true.

    So the Daily Mail ran, “Peter Crouch will go to Arsenal to replace Adebayor” and we made up “Robert Pires will move to El Salvador”.

    By chance the occasional story becomes true – but that is because a lot of things happen by chance. But the success rate was very low.

    There are lots of people who wish harm on Arsenal – and I guess on Barca too – so they wait until there is a negative story around and then push it like mad, saying things like, “Oh my God have you seen this? I hope it isn’t true!!!!”

    Their aim is to circulate despair and despondency, and if this were war time they would be locked up as enemies of the state.

    If you really want to know what is going on in the world, read the weekly ramblings of Billy the Dog McGraw. His stuff is as untrue as the newspapers, but at least you can be lied to while having a laugh.

    http://www.blog.woolwicharsenal.co.uk for his current contribution to literature.

    Tony

  7. neil
    February 10, 2010

    thats what u get for trying illegally sign a player Barca need to give Fab Is Staying at Arsenal ( until Wenger leaves)

  8. Jam
    February 10, 2010

    This probably why Arsenal’s players always seem to be injured. The boy is cursed I tells ya!

    • Kari
      February 10, 2010

      Nice to see an Arsenal fan taking a joke 😛

      Contrary to belief and the Spanish press (just like you guys have “The Sun” and ‘News of the World’, we have Marca, AS, Sport, and EMD), a lot of people here respect Arsenal and wish them well in the PL (here’s hoping you really stick it to Liverpool today!) and the fact is, we (at BFB) would really prefer Cesc Fabregas to STAY AT ARSENAL.

      Cheers Jam! We need more fans like ya 🙂

  9. Hector
    February 10, 2010

    I think I just saw 89 readers online. NewsNow is seriously amazing. Any post title with “Cesc”, “Fabregas”, “Arsenal” or “Wenger” and our humble little blog suddenly blows up.

    Here’s hoping for a little civility this time around seeing as how we all want the same thing: Stay at Arsenal, Cesc! PLEASE!

      • February 10, 2010

        I third this idea that cesc can please stay the hell out of barcelona, and stay the hell off the cover of sport

    • February 10, 2010

      Our max so far today has been 209 readers at a single time. Rock on, Cesc!

    • Blow-Granite
      February 11, 2010

      Stay put at Arsenal Cesc…. We love you,.. but from a distance.

  10. clock end
    February 10, 2010

    This is not recent news. Your press in Spain have been trying to unsettle Fabregas for about 3 years now, so all this talk of ‘bad luck’ is complete and utter bollocks. If your press, and I have to say also, some of your employees acted with any dignity then these stories would not continue to circulate on a daily basis.

    • February 10, 2010

      If you know how to stop Spanish newspapers from saying stupid shit, you need to let me know so I can fix it. Because as i see it, as long as it sells papers in England and Barcelona, they ain’t gonna stop. So stop getting upset, make it a non-story, and it will go away.

  11. auld super
    February 10, 2010

    An example of the bullshit they spew out,today’s Star in England says Chelsea are buying Dani Alves for £30m in the summer. 1 He’s worth £ 50m and 2 he’s going nowhere for many many years.

  12. Tutomate
    February 10, 2010

    Cesc is coming like it or not, except he is coming to ride the bench. I too wish he would stay
    at Arsenal. Poor Arsenal imagine where they would be if they didn’t have him. Probably like in 3rd or 4th place with no chance at winning the PL. Oh wait….

  13. stephen
    February 10, 2010

    Not really concerned with Fabregas really. More concerned on kicking on athletico ass on sunday :/

  14. jnelson
    February 10, 2010

    I don’t understand the big deal about us talking about Cesc. What if this was an EE board? We’d be arrogantly speaking about acquiring Cesc, Ribery, David Villa, Torres, Gerrard, Rooney, and on and on and on. The thing is, it is NOT arrogant for use to speak of Cesc. Everyone knows he will be back in Barca eventually whether we or Arsenal fans like it or not.

  15. stowe
    February 10, 2010

    whether or not fab ends up at barcelona, i don’t know, don’t really care much either as long as i can watch him play with the squad for the spain team.

    ONE thing i do want to comment on though is the speed fabregas is playing with this year. I think the new system has really freed him up a lot. Both he and Nasri look much faster this year. maybe wenger is trying to make them faster since they are basically strikers now. after seeing fabregas score when he stole the ball on that kickoff, didn’t know he had that in him, and on other highlights, i think he is showing a lot more of his ability and talent this year. he has definitely shown he is more comfortable close to the box than he was last year. last year it seemed he was ineffective unless he was playing deep and just pulling the strings and putting others in good positions. this year i have seen him play long balls and look dangerous at the top of the box.

    personally the only reason i would want to see him in a barcelona jersey is because arsenal is not helping him win trophies. they have some great players in arshavin, nasri, song, and vermaelen. the others are good, but they need a real striker (arshavin is great but can’t lead a line and RVP is broken, ALL THE TIME). they need a goalie, they need a tall CB, and they need a fullback that can play offense ala Alves.
    if they wanted to completely copy Barca they would get a nasty left back to play behind arshavin, and an etoo type striker and teach rvp how to play RW. so they would basically have our offense except the focus would be on the left instead of right.

    nasri, song, and fabregas are a younger version of what we have at barca (not as good, but they are all about 22, right?)

    • Kari
      February 10, 2010

      Well said. I just about agree.

      I don’t know if I’m all that qualified to speak on Arsenal affairs seeings as I only watch them on occasion, but I don’t really think you guys need a new keeper, and I’ll tell you why I think that.

      For us, Victor Valdes has been criticized and hanged for years–even when he was playing well. The argument was that while he has some good games (mostly against minnows and the like), when push came to shove (e.g in the important matches) he just wasn’t ‘Barca’ standard. Well, this season, as well as the last, he’s been one of our star performers (barring a game or two), the Chelsea match last season and various matches this season highlight that. Valdes and Almunia seem to be similar, at least in terms of the criticism leveled against them. I don’t know if they are similar goalies, though, and Valdes has grown up in the Barca system while Aluminia hasn’t grown up in the Arsenal system.

      I think Arsenal are potential title contenders, but what’s stopping you guys is, well, Wenger. Or more specifically, his transfer policy. I know that a pretty bold statement for someone who doesn’t follow Arsenal’s affairs all that much, but that’s how I see it.

      Before, his youth policy was something I respected, since it reminded me of Barca’s cantera (youth team) policy. Now, I feel that he is so fixated on the ‘future’ that he doesn’t do what’s best for his team in the present, which is to give it balance. I respect Wenger’s work and what he’s done at Arsenal, but he needs to balance his youth with more experience/established players. Arshavin was an amazing signing for you guys; you just need 2 or 3 more world class signings like that. Oh, and I don’t mean players like Sol Campbell. I mean 24-29 year olds–basically players in or around their prime.

      Arsenal also need to pass a little faster, especially in the midfield. I was watching the Chelsea match and whenever the ball went from Nasri, who was on the left, to Song in the middle, to Sagna on the right, Chelsea had boatloads of time to crowd the midfield and retain possession. That transition for left to right was simply TOO SLOW. They need to stop dwindling on the ball so much. Just pass and move, and the spaces will open up…

      …but that’s just my opinion. Feel free to correct/disagree with me.

  16. Kxevin
    February 10, 2010

    Um, I figured this would go without saying, but this is a humor piece, kids. No. Really. Fabregas isn’t actually bad luck, and nobody thinks that he is in reality.

    I swear.

    You know, if we’re talking about deals that will never happen (and boy, do I hope Fabregas in that category), I’d take Nasri over Fabregas. I think he’s primed to explode, and is going to be a monster player over the next few seasons.

  17. Hawk
    February 10, 2010

    Monkeys drag Puyol away? I’d like to see the beast of a creature that can best our Captain Caveman.

    • Hector
      February 10, 2010

      FLYING monkeys, Hawk. FLYING Monkeys 😀

  18. Hilal
    February 10, 2010

    Dont be fooled people. Wenger placed a curse on our team. He kept telling us to stop, but we wouldn’t, we just kept coming….so he got out the voodoo dolls and put a curse on all our defenders…we were warned!

    If the stories linking us to Cesc continue I predict the entire team including Pep will be injured, suspended and/or attending to personal matters. We will have to rely entirely on Barca Athletic for the rest of the season, which ironically would make us look A LOT like Arsenal…

  19. Kxevin
    February 10, 2010

    Hey, should we get our blaugrana knickers in a bunch, and start telling Chelsea to stop tapping up Dani Alves with the rumors of a 30m deal and 100,000 (Pounds) per week pay packet? 😀

  20. Tutomate
    February 10, 2010

    I’m with you K-man. Let’s go hit up some Chelsea boards. Arrrrggghhh!

    • Hector
      February 10, 2010

      Was that like a pirate “Arrrghhhh”, Tomate?

      If so, magnificent.

  21. Hector
    February 10, 2010

    I wonder if Pep is considering drastic measures to counteract the curse? We need a sacrifice. A pure young innocent virgin to appease the footy gods. There is only one candidate…

    If I were Bojan, I would start running away right the hell now. As fast and as far as his little cuddly feet can take him.
    😀

    • Tutomate
      February 10, 2010

      Wenger would so drool over Bojan like the pedephile on Family Guy

      *www.youtube.com/watch?v=13pCHb62kvQ&feature=youtube_gdata

  22. February 10, 2010

    Its a daily challenge for the fans creativity to come up with different line up everyday. Todays’ lineup for me:

    Maxwell-Puyol-Milito-Keita, Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta, Henry-Messi-Ibra

    No worries so far.

    Based on the tomorrow’s man down, I modify. Wondering who are the last 11 standing till weekend.

    • cliveee
      February 10, 2010

      thank god we have keita… i think that will be it.

  23. JMo
    February 10, 2010

    This needs to stop. I feel like I’m getting Cescaphobia.

    I said it last week that Cesc is the LAST thing we need right now, considering the financial hit it would take, as well as possibly stirring an already tumultuous situation surrounding Pep’s willingness to manage in the long run.

    He’s a talented player, and he’s Catalan, but that doesn’t mean we need him next season.

    I hope FCB’s official butt-kissing silences the yellow muckrakers who put all this stuff out. And I don’t care if it’s what they do to make money, just because it’s necessary to make a profit doesn’t mean it’s acceptable.

    I’m not that angry, the aggression probably comes from the internal, sub-concious fear that we’re actually going to chase after this guy who won’t even start right away. A similar feeling in my gut to when I first heard we were letting Eto’o go. I know this is a completely different situation, but the fear’s presence is all the same.

  24. Gareth
    February 10, 2010

    Haha that explains the never-ending injury list that Arsenal have been suffering from for the last 3 years. Take him! Now! (for lots of beautiful monies of course)

    Oh and can we have Ibrahimovic in exchange please? We need someone to stand around up front not doing much. Oh wait we have Arshavin…

    • Kxevin
      February 10, 2010

      But Arshavin is little. At least Ibra is man-sized.

      • Hector
        February 10, 2010

        Yeah…but Arshavin is cuter and he gives the best interviews this side of Mad Jens with a Russian accent to boot. I’d keep Arshavin if we’re talking about it on those terms 😀 /

      • Kari
        February 10, 2010

        Actually, Kxevin, they have Bendtner.

        • Tutomate
          February 10, 2010

          Bendtner > Ibra? Anyone? By the way what’s the score vs Livepool?

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          • Kari
            February 10, 2010

            Ha! I’m too busy watching the borefest that is Arsenal-Liverpool 😛

            Honestly though, I’m currently attempting to find it and failing miserably. I’ve clicked your name and everything…

  25. Kxevin
    February 10, 2010

    Three things from Laporta, none particularly dazzling:

    On Fabregas:

    “In this case, we have no agreement with any player that is not playing for Barcelona right now.”

    On the elections:

    “I defend this (Barca) model and support the candidate that will defend this model.”

    “His colleagues in the candidacy, in my opinion, are smart and capable of improving this model and this candidate is Alfons Godall, my vice president.”

    On revenue sharing:

    “I don’t want to damage the interests of Barcelona Football Club, because we have to compete with teams in other countries.

    “In England, we are talking about 2 billion euros for Premier League rights so we have to compete against clubs that are making more money than us.”

    • DontPanic
      February 11, 2010

      I wrote a reply at totalbarca on the subject of revenue sharing and I’ll just copy/paste in here.

      Those thing go in cycles. For a time Italian teams were the best in the world, but then they overspent and now they are feeling the consequences. It is going to be the same with English clubs. First signs are already showing up. Just take a look at what happened to Leeds & Coventry, is about to happen to Portsmouth, look at what financial trouble are both ManU an Liverpool. I’m not saying those two clubs are gonna go into administration but 700mill debt is a heavy burden to carry and you cant do it indefinitely.

      I would like a more fair distribution of TV revenues. In the short term it might hurt Barca, but not much, mostly because of our cantera. We do buy expensive players, but not as much as Real, ManU, Chelsea… Look at Bundesliga. It is by far the most stable and fair league, and also the most unpredictable. As much as I love Barca, I would like a bit more competition in La Liga, not just us and Real. Some serious competition from Valencia, Sevilla, Betis Sevilla, Deportivo, etc would be nice. It would be more exciting.

  26. Eklavya
    February 10, 2010

    Nasri subbed because of an apparent head injury.

    Whoops! Well we know who to blame. 🙂

  27. Kari
    February 10, 2010

    Well in the span of 20 seconds, the ineptitude of both sides in terms of finishing and ball control reared its ugly head.

    First Ngog is through on goal, but takes too long so Gallas makes the last ditch tackle. On the resulting counter, Arshavin plays Rosicky through on goal, but again takes a touch too far…actually that’s being generous. He horribly mis controls it.

    At least it’s been an entertaining second half.

  28. Kari
    February 10, 2010

    If EPL fanboys ever use the ‘We don’t dive; we only go to ground when we’re hit by Man-sized buses’ I’ll remind them of Bendtner’s clever exaggeration against Liverpool

    Theo Walcott is sadly overhyped the poor boy. He’s been dreadful since he’s come on, the guy’s just really,really fast.

    1-0 Arsenal. Diaby header from 8 yards out–poor defending it has to be said, but it was coming. It’s really been all Arsenal. Notice how they’ve been passing much faster, not to mention accurate this second half? They have much more space now.

  29. Kari
    February 10, 2010

    Wenger’s taken off his only striker Bendtner and has replaced him with Sagna–a left/right back.

    Who the heck in going to play up front? Fabregas?

    Is he really planning to defend for the last 10 min? We all know how well they do that. The Arsenal defense panic whenever the ball comes into the final third.

    Aye…

  30. Vj
    February 10, 2010

    Babel’s shot palmed away onto the post by Almunia..

  31. Kari
    February 10, 2010

    Hahahaha! It’s Walcott!

    ..I guess that makes sense; he IS fast.

    OOOH! Finger tip save from Almunia from Babel min 86!

    Do Arsenal really need a new keeper?

  32. Kari
    February 10, 2010

    Liverpool trying to finish strongly–but are shooting tamely at Almunia

    Arsenal counter attack…Theo Walcott can’t cross either it seems, but he’s really, really, really fast.

    91′ min still 1-0 Arsenal.

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        February 10, 2010

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          February 10, 2010

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          • February 10, 2010

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  33. Kari
    February 10, 2010

    WHOA! What a dive by Gerrard. he gets a BS freekick at the death.

    Tense times for Arsenal. Wenger pissed Will they score…….

    Gerrard into the wall. OH WAIT. Blatant handball from Fabregas at the edge of the box not called! He would have been given a second yellow and sent off but Webb misses it. Can you say Karma!?

    FT 1-0 Arsenal. 8 pts clear of Liverpool now.

    • yogi
      February 10, 2010

      I watched the match too and it was entertaining but not from a quality perspective.

      Well, Arsenal have a long way to come before they approach Barca beauty. This is my opinion based on limited evidence today. Liverpool has too many sub standard players and Ngog is at best a mid level striker from what i see. Fair result to Arsenal though as they shaded it over 90. Webb is aweful referee anyways. I still not have forgiven him his shambolic display in Barca Bayern match last season.

  34. Kari
    February 10, 2010

    Bwahahaha!

    Everton lead Chelsea 2-1 88′, while Man Utd salvaged a 1-1 after an OWN GOAL by an Aston Villa player equalized for them, though they were down to 10 men after Nani was sent off in the 29th min.

    I guess Arsenal will be hoping other teams keep doing them favours!

  35. Tutomate
    February 10, 2010

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  36. Kari
    February 10, 2010

    Ha! Maradona’s ranting begins! Target? Valdano and his lack of patriotism (I can’t stand Valdano btw).

    *http://www.goal.com/en/news/585/argentina/2010/02/10/1785324/argentina-coach-diego-maradona-slams-jorge-valdano

    EE ruined Heinze? I’m pretty sure Heinze ruined Heinze. Although, I kinda have to agree about Higuain, being benched in favour of Benzema and TB despite being on a hot streak (granted, he HAS been injured lately)–but that’s a good thing for us.

    • barca96
      February 10, 2010

      hahhah the comments on that page is cracking me up.
      and if im not mistaken, ronaldo is their top scorer.
      i guess he was high LOL

      • majatt
        February 11, 2010

        You are mistaken: Higuain 11, Ronaldo 9.

  37. Tutomate
    February 10, 2010

    Getafe winning 1-0 or 0-1 what ever they need 2 more to win.

  38. Alex
    February 10, 2010

    Random fact, Man U has been the benefactor of 10 own goals by other teams this season……………….

    • poipoi
      February 10, 2010

      wow… do “just deflected” shots count?

      • majatt
        February 11, 2010

        If the shot was off target its an own goal, only if the ball ‘would have’ gone in without intervention would it still be a goal after being deflected by a defender.

  39. Kari
    February 10, 2010

    Messi is not only the Pichichi! He’s leading in assists as well. Well, in La Liga anyway (16 goals, 8 assists). Huh. How about that.

  40. barca96
    February 10, 2010

    iniesta is injured as well right?

    • February 10, 2010

      Meh, not really. He received a knock in practice, but nothing that should keep him out of the next match.

      • barca96
        February 10, 2010

        what does meh means?
        i see it quite a lot

        • February 10, 2010

          It’s a noise. “Meh” — the verbal equivalent of a shrug of the shoulders, according to urbandictionary.com. I would agree with that sentiment.

          • February 11, 2010

            It’s generally a sign of indifference.

            For example:
            You: “I hear there is another Fabregas trade rumor.”
            Me: “Meh”

    • barca96
      February 11, 2010

      according to a comment,
      madrid played better than us recently.
      is that true?
      i dont watch other matches so i don’t know.
      it’s one thing to catch barca play at 3am but then EE at 5am, hell nah!

      • Jnice
        February 11, 2010

        Nah, don’t think it’s true at all.

      • Eduard
        February 11, 2010

        As a cule I say no. However, they play a complete different style then us so it hard to measure. They haven’t dropped many points so I have to give them merit. It’s still a long season(thank God) and not many teams have had the quality to match them or us so I guess will just have to see.

        • Jnice
          February 11, 2010

          I just don’t think that direct style they play is better than our style. They beat Espanyol 3-0, but if you watched the match, Espanyol weren’t interested in winning. We only won 2-1 against Getafe, but if you ask a neutral, we played better than they did.

          I suggest you read Phil Ball’s latest article.

          *http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=738484&sec=europe&root=europe&cc=5901

    • Jnice
      February 11, 2010

      Yeah, I ordered it from there last week, I forgot to link it here. You order it too, Kxevin?

      • Kxevin
        February 11, 2010

        Absolutely. I also figured that Ethan would appreciate the news. 😀

  41. February 10, 2010

    Now that the agreement has been denied, we can safely assume it has happened

  42. CLUEess(john)
    February 11, 2010

    Clearly I am in the minority here but I think that signing the Cesc pistol is a great move. If for example we gave Arsenal young Jonathan Dos Santos +40 million euros for Cesc that is a pretty good deal(that’s only 38% more than we paid for that douchy Ukrainian guy that is supposed to be patrolling our back line). Cesc can step in and play either creative midfield position, or he can play up front on the left (something he has done for Arsenal this season a bit. We could also get crazy and run a 4-4-2 with a diamond midfield which could look like this.

    ibra messi
    cesc

    andres xaxi This line up is
    formidable to say the least
    Yaya/Biscuits

    Abidal Alves
    pique Pyuol

    VV

    Now before everyone says its blasphemous for us to move from our beloved 4-3-3, just think how many beautiful triangles could be set up here: )

    I also just wanna take a moment to praise the Barcelona Football Blog and the joy it brings us Blancmange fans. I want to comment Issiah and Kevin for your hard work and dedication to our team, and this site. It is difficult to properly fulfill my football fix here in the states and this is my first stop everyday when I open up my mac book.

    • barca96
      February 11, 2010

      why would you want to give a jewel like dos santos away?
      but i do agree on cesc though.he can give us other options

    • February 11, 2010

      Jonathan Dos Santos +40 million euros for Cesc?
      Out of sudden, isnt a 50 M for Cesc (without JDS) sound less-none-reasonable?

  43. CLUEess(john)
    February 11, 2010

    ——ibra messi
    ———cesc

    ——andres xaxi

    ———-Yaya

    -Abidal———–Alves

    ——pique–Pyuol

    ———–VV———–

    sorry let me try this again. The line up is formidable to say the least.

    • majatt
      February 11, 2010

      1. Fabregas + Ibra reduces the pace up front too much.
      2. Playing a diamond with Xavi and Iniesta means 0 width.
      3. Cesc would have to play as a ‘trequarista’ which he can only slip into at arsenal because he does not have messi drifting in or iniesta/xavi drifting fwd with better ball control/better passing, respectively.
      4. Pep has shown a direct affinity to 4-3-3 (well more 3-4-3 as alves is normally in the midfield.)

  44. CLUEess(john)
    February 11, 2010

    the reason we can afford to give jds away is because we have both him and thiago in the wing, and spf 45 is still a super young guy, so one of the two are always going to be waiting in the wings. What do you think about my proposed formation and lineup.

    • Eduard
      February 11, 2010

      I’m just speaking for myself here, but I love the 4-3-3. The thing is though, I wouldn’t mind to have a midfielder converted to winger(a la Iniesta or one David Silva). As I feel, we should have the flexibility to change on the field. Teams would just have that much more homework to do before they played us. That’s my prediction to next years tweek at least.

  45. Tutomate
    February 11, 2010

    John everything you said is exactly the reason why we should just leave Cesc at Arsenal and leave JDS here. Lets make an example out of Cesc.

  46. CLUEess(john)
    February 11, 2010

    Excellent point about making an example out of Cesc,but making our team better now without sacrificing the future is more important than standing up for principals (at least during an election year). When the rubber hits the road Cesc is a sure thing, and a brilliant player that fits into our system perfectly, it is a move that has a ton of upside with very little downside. I am sure that JDS and Thiago have the chance to be great players someday, but so did Bojan (not saying he still wont be).And even if Cesc did not start in a 4-4-2 type deal for us, name me one player on our roster that you would feel confident could step up in the Xaviensta role if god forbid one of the two sustained a massive injury (knock on wood). Cesc is the only player in the world that I feel cold make that seamless transition. There is not a player in the world that fits on this team better than the Arsenal captain.

  47. CLUEess(john)
    February 11, 2010

    but if that did not happen, I would be content wit either Ribery, Silva, Suarez or Douglas Costa(just transferred out of Brazil…look him up) as a summer acquisition.

  48. February 11, 2010

    CLUEess(john), The thing is that I prefer a XaviKeita role with Iniesta in a more advanced role than a Xaviniesta . Which means that I even put a Xavi-Busquets or Busquets-Iniesta partnerships above a Cesc included partnership.(But I am already aware I am the minority in that matter).

    Yet, Silva is better than Cesc complementing Xavi. Silva is closer to Iniesta than Cesc while Cesc is not really the new Xavi. Sorry, but he isnt.

    If I will take your 4-4-2 diamond and analyze, the question is:

    For 50 M, is it better to buy Cesc and play:

    ——ibra messi
    ———cesc

    ——andres xaxi

    ———-Yaya

    -Abidal———–Alves

    ——pique–Pyuol

    ———–VV———–

    Or is it better to buy Villa and play:

    ——Villa ibra
    ———Messi

    ——andres xaxi

    ———-Yaya

    -Abidal———–Alves

    ——pique–Pyuol

    ———–VV———–

    I know what I will choose. The only reason some may prefer Cesc is that he is younger than Villa. But five years from now (thats how long you can expect villa to serve on highest level) Messi will be permanently converted to a (10), exactly where Cesc is expected to serve. And At least one of the zillion youth we have will end up proving himself. Which makes the 50 M spent on Cesc a waste of money.

    If we needed another creative player, we could have at least tried to get an almost free canales rather than paying all our fortune on Cesc. He will be a good player for the squad, but as a cost-benefit analysis, he is like a two couples buying a cow to barbecue once.

  49. BlaugranaDOOM
    February 11, 2010

    Cesc would give us something that we could use, but don’t need. He is a more direct goal scoring mid who can drop deep and start an attack. We have players who can drop deep, but we don’t have a ton of goals coming from deep.

    Cesc is not afraid to take a shot from outside the box, which Iniesta doesn’t do.

    The problem comes when we give the ball away. Pep wants to maintain possession until we get a great chance, not a pretty good chance. This is the problem that Ibra has now. He doesn’t speculate like he did with Inter, which affects his qualities in a lot of ways. He will learn how to fit into the system, but it will take some time.

    Fabregas would similarly be hampered in our system, but only for a while until he learns how to operate. So, for the price, we shouldn’t get him this year, but rather wait a season or two. Bleed our youth a bit and see who can make the jump quickly. Not worth the money, and Fabregas can work on his decision making for another year or so.

    The better alternative is to get a left winger who looks to score and can feed off of Ibra. I see Ibra getting close to 20 assists next season if Messi and said winger can play off of him.

  50. Bebop
    February 11, 2010

    If only there is a candidate that is brave enough to say ‘we don’t need cesc’, and the socis would vote for him…

    • February 11, 2010

      There’s no chance thats going to happen Bebop. I honestly feel we’re a minority when it comes to Cesc. I too feel that he should come only because he’s a long term answer to Xavi who isn’t getting any younger.

      Rationally, we’re going to need someone who plays xavi’s role eventually. How many players can we possibly think of who can fit that role. Truth is noone will come close to what Xavi brings to our team in his position. Some of the anti-cesc buying comments here suggest that JDS and Thiago will be able to fill that role – but what if they can’t? it’s similiar to comparing Kerrison to Ibra and saying he’ll come good eventually so we won’t buy Ibra. Honestly thats not good enough IMO.

      Cesc brings 6 years of experience at the highest level, he’s captain of a team that a very similar style of football and he’s ONLY 22! So he comes in, adds a few things to his arsenal of talent from Xavi and his mentor Guardiola and we’re sorted in the most crucial position of our team for the next 12-14 years!

      Cesc for Barca! The 50m tag is waaaaaay too much though. One gets the feeling Jeffren and Bojan will used as make weights in the deal 30m and the two of them. that will open up space in the team for silva or villa to come in too.

      • February 11, 2010

        It may sound odd, but I can only see a Messi-Iniesta duet taking the play making responsibilities after Xavi. Cesc has no place there.

  51. February 11, 2010

    Comment by Isaiah in May 2008.. talking about the addition of Pique to our squad.. “In fact, I’m enamored with the possibilities because what if (and imagine this in your mind, right now) when we got a corner kick, the other team shat itself instead of waiting patiently to outjump our tiny child-like attackers? That would mean we could have our cake and freakin’ eat it too because we wouldn’t need a legion of tall, ugly brute forwards like Ibrahimovic! Yay!”

    That’s some funny stuff!

    • February 11, 2010

      And I still stand by my 2008 readings of what Ibrahimovic brings to the table. He was, perhaps unfairly, shown in a light of egotistical brutality, rather than as a talented, multifaceted, and willing attacking player. I’m still not his biggest fan, though I’m willing to accept that I was wrong about his style.

      What’s funny is that it’s Keita who gives us that aerial danger at the moment and I definitely didn’t see that coming. Remember when Keita did this? I do, but it made me think that that was the entirety of his game, when it’s decidedly not. Good thing Guardiola watches more games than I do.

  52. Kxevin
    February 11, 2010

    If Fabtegas could comefor about 30m, with patience and without outsized expectations, I would do the deal in about 2 seconds.

    But as we all know, if we pay Arsenal’s (fair) valuation, it comes with immense “play him now” pressure that would unsettle our club and vex its coach.

    Ramzi sums up the feelings of most of us very well. I too don’t believe that Fabregas is another Xavi. The latter is one of those once in a lifetime players that comes along, whose skillset just fits. Perfectly. Heck, I think that Dos Santos will eventually make a better Xavi than Fabregas.

    Fabregas does, as Ramzi notes, what Iniesta and Messi wil be doing for years to come. So I would rather spend my dosh, assuming that 50m number, on a Silva/Suarez combo, or some such.

    –And don’t kid yourselves. We renewed Jeffren to make him easier to sell this summer. He isn’t and will never be starter quality for us, so he has immense value as money, or a makeweight in a deal.

    –For U.S. footy fans, the CL final is going to be on FOX, an actual grownup, carried by one and all channel, instead of some footy channel only ghetto of sorts. Yes, this is good news. The story about our final drawing crazy-ass numbers probably didn’t hurt that decision.

    • majatt
      February 11, 2010

      I wonder if I’m the only one hoping keirisson comes back and battles with Pedro for the left wing.

      • February 11, 2010

        Keirisson at his best is a Romario type of players. A finishing hit. He cant play as a wing. I can even bet on Bojan there more than Keirisson.

        • February 11, 2010

          I was watching Keirrison when he came on for Fiorentina, and though he never got a touch, he was holding himself onside brilliantly, and you very clearly see him watching the ball, waiting to break. Those are skills that you just can’t teach, because they speak to body awareness and strength, which gives a player the confidence to not really worry too much about battling with defenders.

          I still say we need that kind of a striker in the side, that pure poacher. I just haven’t seen enough of him to know whether he’s the one or not. One strength of Eto’o was how quickly he moved to loose balls.

    • UAI
      February 11, 2010

      You’re absolutely wrong , Kevin

      Fabregas might not fit the exact Xavi mold, but he’s certainly closer to him than to Iniesta or Messi. He will never do what Iniesta and Messi can do (it terms of dribbling and direct penetration) on a consistent basis. Not quite Xavi? Sure, one could argue he’s more offense-minded, especially over the last 1-2 years. But more like Iniesta/Messi? Hell no.

      • February 11, 2010

        We’ll agree to disagree. I’ve watched every Arsenal match that I could this season. Fabregas is a playmaker, and an exceptional player, but Xavi is Xavi.

        Note that I didn’t say that Iniesta or Messi would be filling the Xavi role. I rather think that we already have someone who will be ready to fill that role, and will be able to do it a lot more inexpensively than Fabregas and in our context, just as effectively, and that’s Dos Santos.

        When you look at who we have and what they do, I just don’t see any point in spending that kind of money on Fabregas. Sorry, but I just don’t. As I said, for 30m and limited expectations (he doesn’t start for Spain, so why would he, with the same players in front of him, for us?), I’d do the deal. But in terms of who I want flitting about as a foil for Xavi, or bombing around as a false 9, it’s Iniesta and Messi all day.

        And you’d better believe that as Messi loses some of that magical first 4-5 step mojo, he’s going to settle into more of an Iniestaesque role, which means what? That Fabregas is still going to be behind two players, just Messi and Iniesta instead of Xavi and Iniesta.

  53. fcbfan
    February 11, 2010

    We don’t need Cesc. and that 50m would be better spent on Villa or Silva or Ribery or whoever we’d need to buy then plus I still haven’t forgiven him for considering to join EE last summer!

    • Helge
      February 11, 2010

      You can read on their website how they make their ratings. They claim it’s the most accurate way to rate players, but I call bs on that whole Castrol ranking. I call bs on Castrol entering the world of football in genereal. And who’s stupid enough to support them in doing commercials for them? You know who…

      • February 11, 2010

        If you look at the way that the Castrol rankings are computed, you might be able to quibble with the weighting of matches in particular tournaments, but they are making an effort to apply pure statictics to evaluations of who the “best” player is, irrespective of fan fondness, or perceptions of “good” or “bad” seasons.

        Is it flawed? Dunno. Do they have bugs to work out? Yes. But if it works the way it’s supposed to, it will be a lot of fun to watch, and debate.

        Further, if you click on Henry’s name and go to his profile, you can see exactly what and how he’s doing. He is moving down the rankings, and will probably continue to do so if his drought continues. It could also be argued that a scientific method (flawed though most of them are) that ranks those things heretofore considered “intangibles,” will mean that players such as Keita, who are dynamic and very good but rarely show up on stat sheets in meaningful ways, will start getting some credit for stuff.

        But Castrol does explain how the rankings are compiled. We debated this before, when people were saying “How can Henry be No. 1? He’s shit!” 😀

        But what if he isn’t? More correctly, what if his effect on a match doesn’t just show up in balls going into the back of the net? Something to think about.

  54. barca96
    February 11, 2010

    recently villa’s name sprung up in of the catalan dailies.
    it says that villa is still waiting for us.
    if im not mistaken, pep told him to wait last summer.
    hopefully they will make the deal happen in the summer.
    i think he would be perfect for us, even at lw.
    he is the best striker for me but we got ibra.sigh.
    if only barca board read to my numerous emails regarding villa.sigh
    if we sign villa now, we can keep our midfield. no need to shift iniesta to LW. no one will be sacrificed except for pedro

  55. Hilal
    February 11, 2010

    According to Sport, if Rosell gets the presidency he will give Pep full control over all the footballing decisions. This is definitely a step in the right direction and I would be surprised if any of the candidates didnt give Pep full control. As long as Pep gets what he wants and is able to make all the crucial sporting decisions then I am not really bothered about who the president is…

  56. vicsoc8
    February 11, 2010

    apparently Muniesa, Dalmau, and Bartra have been practicing with the first team. No Fontas?

    • barca96
      February 11, 2010

      the biggest signing would be VILLA!!!!!
      big name signing, big amount of GOALS!!

  57. Alexinho
    February 11, 2010

    Hahaha!! Once you get a bit of “Arsenal” talk in your business, you get the Arsenal injuries curse! It makes so much sense.

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