Video Analysis: Alexis vs Atletico Madrid Aug 21st

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We are three games into the season and suprisingly, Alexis and Pedro have started every game. Messi is out with a muscle injury, O Ney is acclimatizing/gaining muscle/learning Català and Tello, well, Tello is being punished or something.

Assuming that La Pulga will soon be jumping around the skin of the defense and leaving goalkeepers with unscratchable itches… Assuming that Cesc is a false false nine who should be looked upon to relief Xavi and/or Iniesta in the midfield… Assuming that  Neymar will indeed earn starting status – and judging by his last two 30-minute cameos the future sure looks promising… I guess we can safely assume the third attacker will be one of Lexusor Pedro.

Possessive of an impeccable attitude, Pedro has long been protected by the fans for having played two excellent seasons (’09/10 and 10/11) who are finally coming around to the idea that he has basically underperformed since then. Alexis’ solid first season was followed by a four month stretch of the Chilean missing every possible goal-scoring opportunity known to man. Some culés were calling for his head, to which others responded, “yeah, but he moves well and tracks back a lot.”

So how well does he move and how much does he track back? In this video of the game against Atletico de Madrid at the Calderon I have highlighted Lexus in yellow before the play develops.

He actually regained possession five times during the course of the game, which, for a forward, is a lot. He is consistently the most dynamic of all our attackers by offering himself to receive the ball or creating space for others to run into. He missed two chances, both blocked by an excellent Thibaut Courtois*

Alexis’s movement and defensive contributions are a constant and in this aspect he is already better than Pedro, who has often been lauded for the same attributes. Also in his advantage are his trickery and his phsyicality. While true that he regularly struggles to get past his man he still poses more threat on the ball than his Canarian counterpart and he definitely uses his body better. Scoring wise, both are coming off of the back of poor seasons and I am one of many who often critized Alexis’ wastefulness. With the opportunities he gets playing for this team, it is not unreasonable to expect fifteen goals.

However, form is temporary, class is permanent. Now that he is playing with more confidence we are starting to see the player many of us thought we had bought from Udinese, as he is finally adapting his firestarter playmaker role to life on the wings. He lacks the decisiveness of a superstar, but the aptitude of moving well and regaining possession, while basically being a pest for the opponents’ defense, could turn Alexis into an invaluable complementary player in a frontline shared with Messi and Neymar for years to come.

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*One of the things I like about Sanchez is that the play never stops for him. When he loses the ball he immediately moves to get it back. Against Atletico when Thibaut stopped his first scoring attempt he recovers at once and passes it to Cesc, who should not have wasted any touches and shot it with his left. Alexis’s second chance is not in the video because his starting position is not on camera. A better finisher would have volleyed it.

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189 Responses to “Video Analysis: Alexis vs Atletico Madrid Aug 21st”

  1. Gbenga_ says:

    I can’t agree more on this. He’s done himself good by winning back our trust. This will help him grow even more in confidence. Uhm, he needs to start scoring too. Now, we can only but hope he doesnt break down too soon as it’s just the beginning of the season.

  2. Kxevin says:

    I can’t help but chuckle at the fact that people are noticing the player that was always there. He did the same stuff last season, and the season before. It’s just that last season, people were so busy calling for his head because of some missed chances, that they didn’t SEE that he was still that kind of player.

    He isn’t playing with more confidence. He has always had confidence. The difference is in how he is being used, which is as an analog to his implementation in the Chilean system. It also means that he is being used this way by a coach who is less concerned with fitting everything around Messi, but instead fitting everything together. That makes me happy.

    To Levon’s observation about Pedro, is he underperforming, or did he overperform those two seasons? Interesting question. We do know that Pedro thrives on space, which teams aren’t giving us any longer. This requires Pedro to beat men off the dribble, which he isn’t going to do, just as Sanchez isn’t a natural finisher, so will always leave goals on the table.

    • Levon says:

      Lexus did do the same stuff last season, but the missed chances were hard to ignore. And yes, they mattered, especially in a team that lacks natural scorers. I always felt that he would come good eventually though(while ridiculing his misses all the same).

      As for his confidence, you could see it against Málaga where for the first half hour he attempted – and failed – to dribble past his markers various times, yet he did not get discouraged and kept attacking the defense in order to make stuff happen. That’s self belief and confidence. All too often last year he would revert to passing the ball back to the midfield.

      Interesting question about Pedro. I agree with your assertion that he thrives on space, and the different set-ups we are facing certainly effect him. However, it is not like we didn’t face parked buses during his “good” seasons, and a lot of chances he did get last season he shot wide or straight at the keeper, whereas before he used to pick a corner and finish.

      • Kxevin says:

        Ah. But the Sanchez actions demand the question of what was required by the system being played last year, compared to this year. Note that all of our forwards passed the ball back to midfield, Villa, Pedro, Sanchez, Tello.

        We faced parked buses, but Pedro also had grownups to distract defenders. His best seasons he had the likes of Henry and Eto’o running around, making defenders crazy. Who has time for that dude doing the windmill thing? So he had more space and time to pick a shot.

        Now that he is being marked, it’s very different for him.

        • Levon says:

          Tello regularly gets past his marker. Villa and Pedro are simply not strong dribblers, although Pedro certainly is fast enough. Sanchez is a very skillful when defenders come at him, not so much the other way around. The fact that he repeatedly took them on against Malaga I find very encouraging.

          Pedro made 14 appearances in 08/09 and scored zero goals. His breakout season came the year after Eto’o left, when he replaced Henry. I do agree that he profited from the fact that defenders were more concerned with Messi and Ibra (later Villa). Maybe he did overperform during those years and what we see now is what we get, a fine squad player who will bleed for the club when called upon.

        • petog4realz says:

          Am I dreaming or something? How many games did Pedro even played with Etoo? I don’t think he featured in less than 12 or 13 games in the treble season(mostly CDR games)

      • Ryan says:

        On top of that, Spain faces the same parked buses but Pedro has no problem scoring plenty of goals for them. Spain plays differently than Barcelona, for sure, but it’s a shame that we can’t benefit from his goal-scoring for Spain.

        • Levon says:

          True, but most international teams don’t have such well organized defenses as clubs, where players train together for a complete season. Also sometimes they simply don’t have such good players either.

  3. Ultraculé says:

    1. Totally echo the funniness of People now starting to see in Alexis the player that was always there. I have always defended staunchly in these boards during the frustrating finishing times, the invaluable nature of the player. A technical and talented but selfless team player. When he sorts out his finishing and tactical shenanigans, he is going to be a beast.

    2. Interesting thought on Pedro. Is he also now the player he always was? I don’t know. When he burst on to the scene, he could do no wrong and was a deadly finisher. With Excellent percentages on converted attempts, he had a thing for huge vital goals as well in numerous competitions. This guy benched the likes of henry and ibra in his first 2 years. But his shot taking abilities / confidence / whatever has definitely dipped. I think Pedro and Tello are amazing subs to have. We cannot blindly keep starting a guy that can’t beat a man, in big games, just because he runs a lot. But I am sure Tata is going to turn him into more of a goal threat.

  4. ian_percival says:

    bale is in spain and spurs has agreed with EE over bale,WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR GODS SAKE,why have we not signed a centre half yet,any one would do please,its like we are not after anyone at the moment,everything just died off lately,EE is going to rip us into pieces,and even if we win the league,we’re sure going to be disgraced again,our management is just irritating,madrid is so very equipped now,and our fans is just to lazy to say anything about the centre half issue,lets not blindly ignore the management impotence,WRITE,THEY CAN READ!!!

  5. Jim says:

    I notice David Luiz wasn’t playing again for Chelsea tonight. Is he injured? If he’s not assured of a place with Terry’s return he might be unsettled. Not sure how I feel about that but if he isn’t injured there might be something going on in the background.

  6. KEVINO17 says:

    Interesting thing about Sanchez is that he hasn’t been injured for about 6 months. That must help. I read somewhere that, last year, Barca staff put him on a different diet which would reduce the number of muscle tears.

  7. KEVINO17 says:

    Sanchez is also a very cunning defender. See how many times he runs a long way to steal the ball from behind because he knows the attacker does not see him as a threat.
    Great compilation Levon. But it’s also important to remember that good defending isn’t usually about the steal per se but putting pressure on the man with the ball and forcing him to make a poor pass which a team-mate gobbles up. Sanchez is very good at that too.

  8. KEVINO17 says:

    If PSG has made a 40 mill euro bid for Pedro, I bet Barca can’t believe it’s luck. Certainly be best for both parties.
    http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/barcelona/transfer-talk/news/report-psg-make-40m-pedro-bid_101006.html

  9. ooga aga says:

    from the last thread, about pep driving messi like a cab because he played 88% of minutes…yet many (same?) people last season were complaining he wasnt going all out 100% when he was on the pitch…the explanation cited in many places that while He Messi always wanted to play, he was being asked to tone things down, press less, coaches’ orders, in order to avoid injuries…which he did avoid…he avoided them and yet people complained he was walking instead of running…and now when he presses he gets hurt (probably not really related, though) and then people drag pep/tito name through the mud…whoa

    so which narrative are we going with now? was he being underused or overused? just seems weird to me that’s all.

    messi is fine. he got a charley horse and Martino is playing it safe. so no need to tar this or that person, im just pointing out the strangeness of these competing narratives.

    • Kxevin says:

      “People,” “some people.” Call them like you see them. We’re grownups here, and should be able to discuss things without innuendo.

      Messi is broken more often, and norden, in reply to an earlier comment that wondered how Messi stayed fit for all of the Guardiola years, mentioned a special diet that he was one. htMillBay replied that there was such a thing as cumulative mileage on an athlete’s body, which is true. I likened it to a car that has been driven hard, and finally breaks down.

      And that’s where we are. I have seen comments that Messi has pressed for two matches and is already broken, that’s why Guardiola stopped asking him to press, etc, etc.

      There is no double standard or people being unsure of what they are asking for. I assume that I am in the “some people,” as I am on the record as not being a fan of Walking Messi. And I’ll go you one further: A coach shouldn’t give a crap about how much a player wants to play, I don’t care who that player is.

      Messi playing 88% of all possible minutes is patently absurd. I don’t think that anyone’s name is being dragged through the mud, at least not as I read the comments, nor do I see how anything can be loosely interpreted as dragging Guardiola or Vilanova’s name through the mud. But my 88% of all minutes is absurd comment stands. It IS absurd. And a player who puts in those kinds of minutes for his club, then goes and plays 90 minutes each match for his country, is going to break down sooner or later. No mud, just simple, objective reality. Tired muscles get injured.

      To your question “which narrative are we going with now,” I don’t see how he was underused. I do believe that he was being overused. I only wish he were being underused. The Bayern tie probably would have gone differently had he not been chasing records and goals. No, it is impossible to know the future.

      Finally, I don’t think the competing narratives, such as they are, is strange at all. I think that people are asking questions, other people are attempting to answer them. It’s a point of discussion, and one that could be interesting if the barriers didn’t go up as soon as Guardiola or Messi’s name is mentioned.

      • ooga aga says:

        great! discussion is good, and i am tossing in my one cent. cos i dont have two.

        honestly kxevin, while i might have had the feeling you were one of the people, i certainly didnt think you were the only one, and it would have been unfair to just name you, or any one or two people…because i just got a general ‘feeling’ (to quote pep)

        i meant ‘underused’ in that he wasnt going all-out, whenever he was on the pitch.

        so how should pep/tito have used/managed him? put him only on the field 60% of the time, AND ask him to press less (again, besides the diet — first i ever heard of that — we have heard reported from several corners that he was being asked to work less hard, to preserve himself)? in that scenario, i just feel like messi, pep, or someone is gonna get stick, even if something like this really were the solution.

        i think it really is just a case of, you can only please some of the people some of the time.

        no barriers here, no sacred cows. if i wanted to find fault with either P or M i certainly could. xoxo

        • Kxevin says:

          Good question. My ideal would have Messi playing roughly 60% of the matches. There are a number of Liga teams you don’t really need him for, or don’t need him for a full match.

          The larger problem is that Messi in effect decides when he plays. Or he has in the past. And he loves the game, so he wants to play all the time. Good problem to have, right? Not when his absence is so felt by the club in key matches. I’d rather not have him vs Rayo, so that I can have him vs Bayern.

          If I could fix one thing about this world, it would be the notion of culpability when something doesn’t go as planned. Sometimes, stuff just happens. So pressing Messi is injured. The question becomes did it just happen, or is it related to cumulative stress and mileage, or just a fluke incident? Ach! Madness, right?

          The best way to keep the golden goose laying lovely eggs is to make sure it gets plenty of rest. We can all see the effect of a layoff on Messi, how he scampers about and is all danger, all the time. We also see how he looks after his 10th match in a row, when he is just sullenly skulking around.

          I’d much rather have the electric Messi, but that is going to require a coach to say, “You aren’t going to play all the time, or even when you want.” Martino might be that coach. I think that if he is, Messi and Barç (and Argentina) will be better for it.

          • G6O says:

            The worst thing about playing Messi so much is that it is not even necessary.

            A 100% Messi that presses like he can usually means the game is over by half time. Like what you saw against Levante and what it was in 2008/09.

            I can only imagine the horror in the defenders’ minds when he they have the ball and he starts chasing them. Because if gets it from them, which he is very good at, it’s an almost certain goal. But that fear only makes them much more prone to lose it.

            So you play him at 100% from the beginning, we’re up 4-5-6 goals at the half, game is over, you take him out, he gets a rest. Why we have not been doing it, I cannot understand.

            P.S. I don’t think he got injured because he started pressing again. He was pressing against Levante. And go taken out, precisely the thing that should have happened. Against Atletico, he was walking from the very beginning.

          • Levon says:

            60% is not workable. Any star player of any team would balk at the idea of only playing 60%, and we are talking about the best player of the world, here.

            I do agree that 88% is too much. Martino should try to bring it down to the 75% range.

    • simple_barcafan says:

      Pep/Tito did what they felt was best for the team and I feel it is sad that Pep’s name has to be dragged every time…He gave us so much joy, yet we need to point fingers at him..pity..

  10. nia says:

    Alexis did good this match as he always does. Worked well, created danger and gave an assist. He has always been good. Even though he got some flak last season, I think he’s playing at almost the same level with an end product, maybe slightly better. He can only keep on improving.

    Just watched some cuatro and I got to tell you, Jordi got an ear full from VV and Masche on his defending in those final mins. I’m sure his ears are still ringing :) Hope he improves as teams have kind of figured him out somewhat. If Adriano is fit, maybe he can start in the super copa and put Costa in his place.

  11. psalmuel says:

    Hey! That team in madrid (not that one we played recently, the *real* madrid team, the one that wears white) is grinding out results against ‘weaker’ teams even with their star studded squad and here we are, a narrow win over a top side, without our best player and we are calling for heads. I dnt think even with bale (we’ve got to find him a BFB nickname), they will rip us off and hope they drop points soon.
    *See what I did in my opening phrases? I did a Mou! Lol!

  12. nia says:

    Nice to see the team getting along. I always thought Song didn’t have chemistry with his team mates. This vid just showed me otherwise. Dani looks like he’s so much fun. Would like to hang out with him and Pinto.

    http://youtu.be/McZe6A_l41U

  13. nia says:

    and this vid just shows how Malaga got away with roughing Neymar up. I think Ney can fight back if he has to but, the refs need to clamp down on such dirty play.

    http://youtu.be/QMf4-M756UI

  14. pr17 says:

    Agree with analysis that sanchez is better than pedro. he recovers more balls. Still, till he either delivers assists or scores goals, dont you think all this pales into insignificance.
    Dribbling is a rare art which very few are capable off. Shouldnt Alexis be beating people with pace on the wing, which he doesnt seem to do. He had an excellent cutback with the back of his right foot aka cr7 style, which gave space to come inside or cross whhich he doesnt perform now.

    Let him take on defenders more and more. it is fine game of poker. if the defender knows the person cant beat you or cross, he will not mark you on the flanks. so imperative that alexis learns to ping balls across the goal or atleast beats defenders to prove a useful addition. otherwise i say play 2 fullbacks on wings. much better than a fullback and a forward if the forward is only contributing to defence.

  15. Wait till the business end of the season, everyone will be out there with knives for Sanchez due to his missed chances in big matches.

  16. psalmuel says:

    PSG offering £40m for Pedro! Come on! Sell him! We are always going to be playing against parked buses, and he’ll be as useless, as the two last letters in queue (I didnt mean that). Come on! When was the last time we sold a player for 40m? Afterall, Abi was ro$elled, so its not going to be the worst thing we did this season. We could use that money to buy a CB, and use Adriano in attack if the need arises. And yes! our ex-strikers will always do better elsewhere cos, we are the only team that faces parked buses week in week out. Tell me villa would have had that space to score if he were in our colors!

    • ciaran says:

      If only real life was like football manager we could sell Pedro to PSG and buy Luis Suarez.
      Even if it was a real offer I can’t see us selling him this summer, it’s too late in the window. Transfer rumours are always fun though.
      next summer I’d be happy to cash in on him if Deulofeu and Rafinha both have good seasons

      • Messiah10 says:

        I know it is late in the window, but if it’s true, I would take the $ in a heartbeat. We have Neymar & Tello to slot in on the left. Why would we need to buy another forward if we sold him? We could also play Cesc/Iniesta up there if need be. However, I find it hard to believe someone would offer $40 million for Pedro at this point in his career. His form hasn’t been superb and that’s superstar $ we’re talking about. He’s certainly not worth that much. I’d take $15-18 million for him and would be happy.

    • Huckleberry says:

      They bought Marquinhos for almost that price. So…
      PSG probably just wanted to show their buying power (If there was really an offer). pPrhaps as a sign for more valuable players like Messi, Iniesta etc.

    • Jim says:

      The space was created by a string of superb first touch passes. The space would’ve opened up against anyone and no keeper was saving the shot. The only slight quibble would be if the equivalent of Dani had managed to sprint all the way with him.

  17. Ultraculé says:

    Apparently our scouts watched Mangala.
    Hope we get him. What a nice surprise that’d be!

  18. Levon says:

    http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/isaac-cuenca-siente-ninguneado-por-barca-2603694

    Isaac Cuenca, who Barça recalled from Ajax, still does not have a shirt number and nobody from the club has talked to him about their plans regarding his future.

    Sound familiar?

    • ooga aga says:

      well since this horrible trend spans managers now, we can only look at Zubi…really our players deserve more. horrible from zubi and the rest to not be by their sides.

  19. Jafri says:

    Random OT: Does anyone know who Sébastien Chabal is? Dude looks like a Hulked up version of Pirlo.

  20. TITO says:

    Breaking news:

    Monica Bellucci is getting divorced.
    So all of you/us who were dreaming these past 20 years, try your luck!

  21. nia says:

    Anyone else watch the new Qatar ad with the Barca players? I must say, it is pretty nice, made me smile a wee bit.

    http://www.fcbarcelona.com/club/detail/article/fc-barcelona-and-qatar-airways-a-team-that-unites-the-world

  22. layibiyi says:

    No love for Deco in these parts?

    Needs some acknowledgement as a Barca legend at least.
    Helped regain the winning spirit :)

  23. bhed says:

    So the first leg of the Supercopa was on ESPN2 in the US, but I’m not seeing tomorrow’s game listed there, or anywhere else. Anyone know what’s up with that?

  24. bhed says:

    Never mind, I see it’s on Deportes and ESPN3 (online). Drat, it’s been a while since I’ve had to deal with a stream to see the boys. Goal and then BeIn have totally spoiled me.

  25. nia says:

    VV sure is pissed with Rosell/club. This vid during the Qatar presentation, every player came out and shook Rosell and Qatar airline CEO hand except or VV who just kept walking as if he doesn’t get paid by Barca . They must have done something really big to VV.

    http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/barca-divierte-puesta-largo-con-qatar-airways-2606531

    • Kxevin says:

      Sandro Rosell. The gift that keeps on giving.

      Today, at a presser pimping the QA ad spot/sponsorship/whoring out (they get a spot in the MUSEU as part of the deal, you know), he was asked about the Brazil allegations. He got all huffy, and replied that everything he has done has been honest and above board, and people shouldn’t ask him about stuff that happened before he became president, only stuff that pertains to his present role.

      He also said he was thinking about clearing the air on matters, because he didn’t want a single soci to think that he was dishonest.

      I would have more to say about it, but I fear someone would have to wash my hands with soap after I typed such words.

      • nia says:

        Maybe this explains why VV was the only club capita who wasn’t involved in the Qatar commercial. Sad really, coz I like VV. Speaking of the ad, did anyone notice Iker in the ad as well? LOL :) 37 secs in, the part when Ini an Busi were painting with the ball. Don’t worry Iker, Barca’s got your back.

        • Huckleberry says:

          Didn’ see Xavi either.

          • Kxevin says:

            Xavi is there. He’s the first one to kowtow to the new masters. Look at his face as he walks behind the barrier to set up for the photo shot.

          • Jim says:

            Sorry to say it again but I don’t see anything wrong with sponsorship money coming into the club and if you dig deep enough you can find something wrong with every sponsor including, im sure, UNICEF.

            However, the really unfair bit for me is the reference to Xavi “cow towing” . Where did that come from? Are you saying Xavi doesn’t care about the club as much as you? I’m really struggling with the thinking behind this constant sniping at everything the board does. He’s the team captain and an employee of the club. What do you want him to do?

          • Kxevin says:

            Forgive my poetic license, Jim. I think it’s an organized dog-and-pony show in which the players have to make nice and look all happy for a sponsor. It isn’t the first time they have done it, and it won’t be the last. There will be more kowtowing when they are all handed keys to their new Audis this season.

            I understand that Rosell is a marketing guy, and that our club is a heretofore untapped source of zillions and zillions of dollars. But the dimwitted romantic in me still wishes it wasn’t being done so blatantly, willy-nilly or frankly, at all. Has the shirt front been sold from the moment the Nike logo adorned its front? Many say yes. For me it isn’t quite that clear-cut.

            Others are noting that the deals are also being done for below market. I’m not interested in parsing things in that fashion. $1 or $1 billion, it still bothers me and always will. It’s a personal view.

            As for the constant sniping at everything the board does, I don’t believe that is a fair assessment. I am quick to praise the good things, such as the Neymar purchase, the Suarez addition as well. I also don’t think the Villa deal is at all bad. This board has done some good stuff.

            But my opinion on the sponsorship stands. It’s a deal that allows the Qatar overlords to put whatever they like on the front of the shirt. It also gives Qatar Airways space in the Museu. For what? Further to my view, the sponsorship billboards now festooning the Camp Nou are just preparing everyone for when the naming rights are sold.

            None of that sits well with me. I wish it did or that I could hold my tongue (fingers?), but I can’t.

            Faus, when talking about future versions of the SuperCopa being held overseas, spoke of the millions of dollars that would be reaped from such an event. Money, money, money, money.

            Meanwhile, the club’s president is facing very serious allegations in Brazil that he won’t deign to answer.

            If people want club politics to be kept clear of the sporting project, majority rules, and I am happy to live with the decision. But as it sits, I am not happy, nor comfortable with many of the actions of the club’s president and its board.

            Finally, I don’t think you need to preface any view with “Sorry to say it again.” No worries there. If we can’t discuss this stuff here, where can we?

          • ooga aga says:

            me heart is with kxevin here and while i love xavi too i sympathize with kxevin’s feeling…when one of the lovely reasons you began to love the team was the no-corporate-logo…not to mention the footie…now thats gone, and then add to that the general distrust of rosell. just look at him, i feel slimy even knowing that i support a club over which he reigns. he is so plastic and vain. now of course every man in this position will have an ego…and i would like to say that i doubt the brazil allegations, but it really only perfectly jibes with the ‘feeling’ the man gives me…

            and then add to this, if i were a player i would vomit with all the promotional stuff that had to be done…now going to childrens hospitals im all for that…this qatar airlines stuff though….wouldnt it be lovely to see a superstar avoiding commercial advertising…of course some of it they have to do simply because they have a contract with the club…but frankly victor valdes just became a hero to me. thats the kinda stuff i love to see.

  26. Kxevin says:

    In general news, Monaco is buying Kongdobia from Sevilla for his 20m buyout clause. Screaming deal. That ownership is a third-party nightmare. Sevilla stands to get only 8m from that sale.

    – Meeting tomorrow to possible close the Eto’o to Chelsea deal. Look for Dos Santos to gain a big, blond, Spanish partner for his card games.

  27. Kxevin says:

    Growing buzz that we might see, for the first time, the Neymar/Messi/Sanchez front line tomorrow.

  28. IamXavi6 says:

    Hi guys,

    Just an observation from the postings. Have you guys strated off slowly this season compared to previous seasons postings and reviews\analysis?

    I know we lost authors, and you also put out a post last year saying it was likely to have a reductino of active posts; but it just seemed quite ‘light on’ recently.

    Please dont take it as a petty criticism. I truely appreciate what you all do and I’ve run my own blog in the past and know how much time is required to generate good, articulated and thought provoking articles; but I’m just asking the question I guess; is this a trend that will continue?

    Cheers

    • Kxevin says:

      Not your imagination. We are, in full honesty, still trying to figure it all out, particularly as regards sustainability. It isn’t that there hasn’t been anything to say, but rather that it has been, for me, next to impossible to find TIME to have something to say.

      A 140-character Twitter observation isn’t the same, content-wise, as a thought-out post, to be sure.

      We have some thinking and discussing to do among the mods, a roll call, so to speak, then will proceed or not from there. Thanks for asking.

  29. Ultraculé says:

    The president says he is
    1. Straight
    2. Honest
    3. Transparent.

    So that makes him
    1. Gay
    2. Dishonest
    3. Opaque

  30. Jafri says:

    Interesting article by Barcablaugranes on how our Summer signings have turned out for us since Ibra, with their first years being split into halves. And quite frankly, it’s horrible what happens after January.

    http://www.barcablaugranes.com/2013/8/27/4663424/fc-barcelona-neymar-and-learning-from-past-mistakes

  31. Kxevin says:

    The XI that many folks are saying will happen today:

    Valdés; Alves, Masche, Piqué, Alba; Xavi, Busquets, Cesc; Alexis, Messi y Neymar

    Adriano trained with the group, but wasn’t passed fit yet.

    • Jim says:

      That would worry me. I know Iniesta hasn’t had the greatest start to the season, at least in my view, but he’d be on my starting eleven for a big game where control is important every time. If this becomes hash and bash end to end we’ll suffer more than them. It’s a big surface and it’s at home. We should be stretching them with a quick passing game.

      Looking forward to seeing Messi and Neymar though. Big test for their first appearance together. If they can destabilise Athletico they can do it to anybody.

    • Oliver says:

      Don’t mind the rotation and getting Cesc in there, but are we really going to play Xavi another 90 minutes? Wouldn’t mind seeing how the squad did with Busquets/Iniesta/Cesc, with Busi picking up some of the slack in distribution. Might as well test out some Xavi-less configurations now, both to prepare in case his fitness catches up to him, and to rest him so that it doesn’t.

      • Kxevin says:

        I know that Martino said that Iniesta would take some time to round into form. Perhaps this is a sign of that. But I would rather see him than Xavi, particularly going into the international break, where you know Xavi is going to play.

  32. Gbenga_ says:

    what’s up with the news going round about how Messi bullies and insults teamates? Is this a plot to destabilize him or what?! It’s kinda disturbing, I must confess. I just dont want to belive any of it.

  33. ooga aga says:

    atletico:

    Courtois, Juanfran, Miranda, Godín, Filipe Luis, Gabi, Suárez, Koke, Diego Costa, Turan y Villa

  34. ooga aga says:

    barca

    Valdés,
    Alves, Piqué, Mascherano, Alba,
    Sergio, Xavi, Cesc,
    Alexis, Messi y Neymar

  35. Oliver says:

    Rumored Barça lineup now official.

    Valdés, Alves, Piqué, Mascherano, Alba, Sergio, Xavi, Cesc, Alexis, Messi and Neymar

  36. nia says:

    Anyone else got the hibbi jibbies for this match? I have major ones, yup, footy season is back. Not good for my nerves o-O.

  37. Kxevin says:

    nzm says Messi is grimacing, and rubbing his hamstring during warm-ups, which apparently they get in Barcelona (dammit!).

  38. TITO says:

    So, he should rest.
    But, will Martino leave him behind?

  39. Gbenga_ says:

    Finally, we get to see the ‘Nemesis’ play right from the blast of the ref’s whistle. I hope all goes well in the first half so Xavi can gets his deserved rest and I hope we win!

  40. Jim says:

    Wow, they’re really targeting Messi tonight. Also, don’t know how Diego Costa has escaped a card.

  41. Oliver says:

    Atletico putting together a better sequence than anything we’ve done there.

    That Valdes guy is pretty good

  42. ciaran says:

    I certainly am glad that Atletico are competitive but they are now the biggest bunch of cheaters, moaners and cheats under Simeone. Tactical fouling and constant complaining but the referee is doing nothing about it.

  43. 86ed says:

    We have all the ball, they all the chances. Does Martino know that it’s Atleti who’s at a disadvantage in this tie? Why the hell are we attacking a parked bus when the parked bus has to move to win the cup?

    • Rami says:

      Why are we attacking?, Well why don’t we give up our possession, Pressing, And just throw our entire style out of the window, What the hell let’s just sign mourhinio while we’re at it….

      Your comment makes no sense.

      • 86ed says:

        Oh dear. Our style our style. How can you press a team that’s packed so densely in the last 25m?
        You have to adapt and evolve, mate. Playing the shit we’ve been playing will get us nowhere. The emphasis is on Atletico to attack, not us. As it is, they have come closest to scoring, while holding onto the ball for about 11% of the time.

      • Kxevin says:

        Actually, 86ed’s comment makes logical sense. They need to score, so let them bring it. But we are an illogical club, who attacks no matter the score.

        Breathe deep …. no attacks, please. Thanks.

    • G6O says:

      The probability of allowing a goal is higher if we sit back and wait. It’s as simple as that.

  44. Kxevin says:

    The officiating in this match is disgusting. That said, Messi needs to concentrate. He had two great chances to score, best of anyone else.

    They are going to be allowed to tactical foul. That much is clear. Play through it, and leave the whining to us armchair quarterbacks.

    • Oliver says:

      Yeah, Messi has looked a little off to me. Don’t know if it’s the injury, the physicality of Atleti, or both.

      Absolutely gorgeous through ball to Messi from Busi early in the half, expected Leo to score there. That and Lexus’s header were our only solid scoring opportunities I can remember.

  45. stefan2k says:

    Amazing save by Valdes … chasing the game at this point would have been the worst case!

    We had some lightning fast passing sequences but there simply is no space :X

  46. Rami says:

    I never knew celtic had a kit with red and white strips.

  47. EnzoBarca says:

    Atletico extremely impressive so far with closing down spaces. They’ve created more clear cut opportunities as well. Hopefully the effort their putting in catches up to them second half and we have more space to attack.Tata seems to have told Messi to come a lot deeper, Alexis to make the run inside and for Fabregas to run in behind. Will see if this tactical jig is enough to overcome a well drilled Atletico defence.

  48. ciaran says:

    I can’t believe that we’ve three yellows to their one

  49. Oliver says:

    Neymar loses the ball, runs right back, regains the ball. It’s nice to see.

    Feel like we’ve got a little more working in the last few minutes. Time to turn that into a goal.

  50. Oliver says:

    Aaaand Iniesta in for Cesc. Because Xavi will never rest again.

  51. G6O says:

    That worse than what Pepe did..

  52. 86ed says:

    We won the cup but this is a worrying trend. When was the last important game we won outright? The second leg vs Milan?

    • Jim says:

      How many important games have there been since then apart from Bayern?

      This was a very difficult game and was never going to be anything else. We have two or three players not up to speed yet and that was the most thuggish display I’ve seen from a Spanish side against us since…… well probably RM at some point.

      Great to see some love at last for Valdes. It was maybe all that energy he saved from not appearing at the Qatar photoshoot :)

      • 86ed says:

        The PSG games were important, the CdR games vs Real, the league game vs Real…
        Atleti were vicious. It became ridiculous at one point. And what’s worse our players will be the ones to be blamed.

  53. ciaran says:

    That was a horrible match. Our team done the best they could seeing as Atletico had no interest in playing football.
    They are going to make life hard for a lot of teams this season.

    I hope at some stage we decide that a suitable plan b is not having to play against 9 defenders every time by actually counter attacking every now and then

  54. KEVINO17 says:

    Though we were very good in the face of some amazing fouling. At least 27, I think. Athletico know that in a game like that the ref will be reluctant to send anyone off and they played that factor to the hilt.

  55. Xavi6 says:

    Not happy about the way we won .

    and the Spanish referees suck

  56. TITO says:

    Well, we wanted to play the game, they didn’t, in the end we won.

  57. Messiah10 says:

    What a thug team. Dirty, dirty, dirty. What kind of retroactive punishment can be taken for the stamp since this is a SuperCopa game? Overall I’m extremely pleased with how we played. No, we didn’t create many opportunities, but that’s hard to do with 10 men behind the ball. They didn’t even come out against Busi when he had possession in their half. Sad tactics by a sad team. I almost hate them as much now as EE. Almost. :) VV obviously stands out for me with 2 great saves. Again. He rescues are fragile defense more times than I can count. I wish he’d stay for next season and the season after so we don’t have to find a replacement, b/c no one will replace him. I thought Xavi had a good game. Buis was excellent. Our CB’s were. A bit disappointed with some of Dani’s final balls, but can’t fault his effort. Neymar needs to check his spikes and get longer ones! My god what was going on there. Messi was constantly shirt pulled and hacked and no yellow on most of them. Heck, no foul on mmost of them! I’ll take the nil nil with those cheap tactics.

    • stefan2k says:

      Fully agree!

      Disgusting display of pathetico … they for sure did not come to play football

      Winning like this makes it half the joy

    • G6O says:

      Stomping someone’s leg or arm is bad enough on its own but at least it usually does not lasting damage.

      Stomping on someone’s spine wearing cleats is really really dangerous – there absolutely has to be punishment for that

  58. y2k156 says:

    I had some sneaking admiration for Atl Madrid and it is really down right now. Not just the fouls but he in general dirty play Atletico did was awful to watch. They will be a tough team to beat this season.

    As for the match, the simple fact is that when a good team puts 11 players in their own half, it is very difficult to defeat them. Atl are a very good team and they can defend. Even when Barca played at top of their game in last few years, good physical teams who put 11 behind the ball were trouble. And it is true for all teams.

    Tough match and Copa in bag.

    Main problems for me are still defense, especially Alves and Alba combination in same team and lack of quick passing in the middle. If we do not improve these aspects, the team will have obvious weak spots.

  59. TITO says:

    And how the hell Gabi got a yellow for protesting after committing at least dozens of fouls, cheap, ugly, dirty, unprofessional fouls, is beyond me.
    Anyway, this is Simeone at his best, back to the roots.

  60. EnzoBarca says:

    The most worrying thing about these 180min of football was that Atletico created way more opportunites than us even though we had vastly more possession. I really thought after Bayern hammered us last season the club would have had a bit of introspection. But No….

    The same false 9 formation, the same strategy, the same players plus Neymar. You have to question the logic of a team to get beaten 0-7 on aggregate and not even attempt to change something substantially. It strikes of arrogance a false assumption that our tactics and style of play is so superior that if we play well we’ll always win despite clear evidence to the contrary. How many teams beating us on the counter when we’ve had 70% possession will it take for the coach to try something new. Even something as simple as playing a double pivot as a plan B. Playing Messi as a 10 behind a striker or even playing him out wide? But No, same formation time and time again.

    • stefan2k says:

      Can’t create a lot of chances without space. Bayern was frightening because we were outplayed … different story.

    • 86ed says:

      “Well why don’t we give up our possession, Pressing, And just throw our entire style out of the window, What the hell let’s just sign mourhinio (sic) while we’re at it….”–Rami, upstairs.

      I fear it will take much more than a 7-0 to change the dogmatic indoctrination current at our club. It would take a manager with balls, an administration willing to do what’s needed, and fans willing to accept change, even at at the cost of short term loss.

    • Rami says:

      The only thing atletico need to ‘create an opportunity’ is for them to kick the ball upfront twice or three times with good positioning, And they’ll be facing an empty space with only valdes in front of them.
      As for us, We’ll need around 8 perfect passes or more with perfect triangulation, In very tight space, And under pressure, Only until then we can create an ‘opportunity’, So no, i don’t think it’s fair to even compare the two teams.

      We always struggled and always will against parked buses, We did back in 2009 and 2010 with two true 9, The best two as a matter of a fact, Eto and ibra.
      It seems with every bump many start calling for a change, They don’t say what the change should be exactly or show how can it be effective, Just change stuff………

    • EnzoBarca says:

      I’m saying we must at least attempt to develop an alternate tactic a plan B. At the very least. People acting like Barca has always played a false 9 formation. Let’s be honest the reason the formation is preferred is because we don’t have coach with the balls to move Messi to wing. Ask David Villa.

      • Rami says:

        What’s this has to do with making messi a winger again? he was a winger against chelsea in 2009, And also against inter milan in 2010, But it didn’t make a difference, In the first one we got bailed out by iniesta and the latter one, We simply lost.

      • I though you first comment was pretty sensible. The false-9 is doing more harm to us than anything especially in bigger matches. I don’t understand why the manager realizes that opponents will not be always awed by it and will employ tactics to negate it. I think Martino is doing some changes to it. But with the current setup we can play nothing but the false-9. That’s because there are no true 9 in our squad. So there is no player who could be positioned as striker with Messi on the wing or with Messi playing behind him, like we did against Milan last season.

        I think against parked buses we need to morph our 4-3-3 to a somewhat a variation of 3-4-3 formation or a 3-5-2 formation whichever you are comfortable with the personals available.

  61. nia says:

    That was a shitty match filled with dirty tactics from AT and one stupid ass ref. No attacking threat from Barca who look like they were playing for the nil nil draw and Messi looks sick and unfit as well. Although Barca have improved slightly on defence, I think they are now lacking attacking threat.

    VV was big in this match. Made some good saves. MOTM!!! We are going to miss him contrary to what a lot of other people say.

    One trophy won, 3 more to go. Visca Barca.

  62. KEVINO17 says:

    What really pisses me off is how Refs seem to try and “manage” the fouling – as if that will influence players. Dish out yellow cards early and then, maybe, be a little more conservative about handing out the red. That would calm a lot of players down.

  63. EnzoBarca says:

    It seems that people think that teams playing with 10 men behind the ball is a mortal sin or something. So I assume they must open up so we can play beautiful football and beat them. Get real and most of you should be used to this tactic by now. And how can you say we played better if they created way more opportunities from open play?

    In the last two years I’ve heard every excuse for playing badly in the book. The pitch was bad, the referee was bad, they parked the bus, they kicked us. I don’t see why we must have this holier than thou attitude when we know Busquets playacts, Sanchez and Alves dive, Neymar goes down easily and our players flock around the referee to get players booked.

    Just get on wit playing football and figure out how to get around what teams throw at you. End of. Visca Barca

    • 86ed says:

      Martino simply must think of other ways to play, instead of the same-old, tried and tested, 4-3-3, with Messi as the false 9. Would it be terrible to play any different way, rather than the exact same way we have for the past 5 years? Even my grandma knows how how we play and what to do to counter it.

  64. Ooz says:

    I’m trying to look past the whole “We struggle against a parked bus” reasoning. Few observations on my part, please feel free to contradict them:

    1- Messi dropped too deep initially to recieve the ball with Cesc, Xavi, Dani and Alexis in front of him all within passing range. He started most of his runs with the Athletico midfield in front of him. Ideally he should be in the space between the opposition’s midfield and defence.

    2- If we are looking at a Messi-Neymar combination, both of whom apparently draw defenders, wouldn’t it be better for them to be playing closer to each other?

    3- Alexis was quite ineffectual today/ Pedro definitely can’t beat his marker/ Where’s Tello when you need him?

    4- Leading on from point 1, our backbone starting from midfield is usually Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta/Cesc, Messi. Today it seemed like Busquets, Messi, Xavi, Cesc initially whereas Messi moved higher up after Iniesta came on.

    5- In terms of defence, I think we did a good job against quite a physical lineup. Pique was immense at times.

    • Ooz says:

      6- And most importantly, why aren’t we taking shots at goal? There were almost certainly three opportunities that I counted where we chose to do a cut back pass rather than having a shot?

  65. simple_barcafan says:

    FunFact:
    4 games in two weeks and just one goal conceded.
    #Centerback

  66. Roberto Senyera says:

    I’m not gonna say too much today other than this:

    1) The referee today, David Fernandez Borbalan, was a massive cunt and always has been.
    2) VV was huge today even though I’m not sad to see him leave at the end of this season. I’ve never been a huge fan of his. Our club can do better at the position. Nevertheless, he was MOTM today with sMasch coming in second.
    3) We’re playing Xavi waaaaaaaaaay too much. I would have taken him off instead of Cesc.
    4) We did what we had to today. Job done. It was ugly but so was ATM and the ref. In that sense, I’m proud of the team. They showed cojones, mental strength, and did what was necessary to win silverware — a Puyol like job.
    5) Visca Barça!!

  67. Roberto Senyera says:

    Oh, forgot this one:
    6) We still need to buy another CB (if only for cover, at the very least — Puyol isn’t even participating fully with the squad in training).

  68. kosby says:

    I dont understand why so many people are unhappy about the way we played today. I think today we were massively better than the first leg. I am starting to respect Martino a lot. Following observations –

    Lets start with what we could be improved –
    1. Messi. He was being tracked/hacked/scythed by around 3 defenders (atleast), so it pains me to say this, but I think he could have been more clinical when shooting. Also, I think he needs to realise that Neymar was free on the far post when he was attempting to play one-twos with Alves and Pedro.
    2. Free kicks. Xavi has hit the wall atleast five times in the last couple of games. We need to atleast try to make the free kicks count.
    3. Neymar. Needs to get proper shoes.

    Positives –
    1. Quick balls being played in the first half. We took fewer touches, spent less time deciding where to pass and created plenty of movement (Xavi and Busquets included). 2. Intensity. Like I said, even Xavi and Busquests showed that intensity, lots of movement and we pretty much controlled the game for the first hour or so. Not the best we can do but certainly much much better that the first leg.
    3. Busquets through ball. Brilliant. Simply brilliant.
    4. Defense – Although it was a bit too helter skelter for my liking, we are definitely showing improvement in this dept (no doubt the pressing has played a part).
    5. Valdes. Immense.
    6. Martino – Played Messi deep, drawing the defenders out. Sometimes on the wing, letting others cut in to the box. Too bad the ref turned a blind eye to all the kicks he recieved. Asked for more movement from the midfield, who in my opinion were pretty slow in the first leg. Dared to bench Iniesta (rightly) to allow a player in better form to play.

  69. mega_tajh says:

    Still only August. That is all.

  70. blitzen says:

    I thought we played really well considering we were up against an ice hockey team. That is all.

    Visca Barça.

  71. Kxevin says:

    Silver! Martino’s first. Neymar’s as well.

    Atleti played the match(es) they had to in order to give themselves the best chance to win. The Liga saw what happened when you tried to play your game, and give us space. Levante showed everyone that. Atleti will be closer to the norm than Levante for the rest of this season. The problem is when you play that way it is ultimately a Pyrrhic victory, because you sacrifice your chances at really getting a win. Yes, they had a couple of counter chances. That will happen.

    – The ref lost control of the match, then tried to fix it with cards. That’s never going to work. He was letting them play, and it was working to the advantage of the opponent (as it always will). Then when things got out of hand, it was too late. A couple of early cards would have fixed that, but then media critters would have said he was being Barça centric in his officiating approach.

    – Valdes was colossal, so was Mascherano.

    – Anyone suggesting that the team is playing the same way, should look a little closer. From the positioning of Messi, to the way Sanchez is being used to the presence of Neymar, things are different. The mids ghosting forward is different, defense is different, Busquets is being more direct. There is a lot that is different as tika taka morphs into possession football. Martino recognizes that with such dynamic players, tika taka is selling the crew short.

    – Neymar worked his ass off, tracked back, took fouls without whining and was generally very good. People who were lambasting him, calling him a YouTube player, vanity purchase who wouldn’t track back, etc, are pretty quiet right now.

    – If Xavi is past it, I’m a burlesque dancer.

    – Martino needs time. A month ago, he was hanging out in Argentina. Too soon for anything. Despite all that, the team is undefeated and has picked up its first piece of silver. This is in the aftermath of a craptastic preseason spent flitting about to hoover up dollars, lingering injuries and internationals. One goal conceded in four matches? I thought we didn’t have a defense?

    This club is going to be a lot of fun to watch, but it will require patience on the part of culers. Let things develop, and then let’s see what transpires.

    • mom4 says:

      ▲This!

      Also it was good to see evIdence of the Iniesta we know and love making a comeback!

    • Roberto Senyera says:

      Personally, I consider these two Super Copa matches against ATM to be part of our extended friendly campaign. Since the club scheduled such a lightweight, Mickey Mouse preseason fixture list, these two hard fought, serious matches will do the club a world of good. The caveat being that we can get the full three points at Valencia on the weekend, which isn’t a given.

      I will concede that with a summer international tourney the preseason was never going to be ideal.

      Visca Barça!!

    • bhed says:

      Agreed. I thought Neymar had a poor match though, despite working incredibly hard. Bound to happen at this stage, and no moral judgment intended. Overall we did pretty well considering neither Messi nor Neymar, nor Lexus for that matter, were firing on all cylinders. Masch is making me feel much better about our prospects in general.

    • Jafri says:

      So you mean to say that now we’re evolving to play tiki tata? :D

    • hammeronmessi says:

      absolutely spot on.

      There are some positive signs of change from Martino.

      1. Sanchez for some time played as a 9.
      2. VV started passing the ball.
      3. Pique remains focused.
      4. Xavi didn’t look physically exhausted(dont know why people are saying xavi should be rested,it was iniesta who looked exhausted in the previous matches).
      5. Quick movement in the final third,though we didnt create many,the offense didnt collapse on messi.
      6. The keys to unlock a 10 man organized defence are 3 things
      a) constant movements
      b) quick passing
      c) a true mobile 9(we dont have that)

      martino managed only 4 official games yet people expect him to change the whole setup in a short period of time.thats too much.

      On another note IMO we need a mobile 9 more than we need a CB.

  72. By the way deulofeu scored in his debut, and was a pretty good goal.

  73. It’s strange, we made all the addition in the summer to the offensive line and eve then the contender for man of the match for last three match running have been Mascherano and Valdes.

  74. psalmuel says:

    yea! We didnt create clear cut opportunities, against a good side, defending with 11 players, infact, no one does. EE couldn’t win the league last term cause they couldn’t break down parked buses. One of the ways, we could thrive against parked buses is, by shooting from outside the box. How many times, has Adriano been our saving grace, with an out’a the box cracker? Neymar, Messi, Adriano, smasch, Cesc to some extent and even Pedro [not this one, the other Pedro, the real one, the one with an (!)] have the ability to shoot from outside. Why do we always have to pass our way through a cavity wall? Why can’t we by pass it?

  75. norden says:

    To the “They need to score, so let them bring it. But we are an illogical club, who attacks no matter the score.” …

    I have never understood why the last 5 or 10 minutes has to be the most hectic for us if we are one goal ahead. A confident team full of controllers should be happy to pass the ball around until the end. In theory.

    Do the players lack patience or confidence to do that?

    • IamXavi6 says:

      Interesting point. It all comes back to the Barca DNA. Controlling posession (and there-in the game) is true, but the Barca way is to consistantly attack on that possession; not retain it to wind down the clock.

      While I agree with you on controlling possession and playing triangles should be a method to whittle away time, I dont think Barca have that in them.

      Also, as a sport, soccer is incredible difficult to do that (compared to other sports). Trust me, I’ve played it for 26years now!

      • norden says:

        Thanks for the reply.

        It may be incredibly difficult, but I believe this Barca is able to do it.

        If they can pass the ball around to lure the opponent players out of position, they should be able to do it to calm down the play when it goes too hot.

        But if they don’t have the mentality (or DNA as you say) to do it, then it remains as a theory.

        • IamXavi6 says:

          Triangle play and pass and move for Barca isn’t hard; that’s the backbone of our structure and philosophy. Doing it as a method to shift opposition around is perfectly fine as well, but it’s very, very unsustainable for extended periods of time (not to mention, the opposition would just foul and or force a long ball pass after pressing).

          You’re right, however, that it can be used to calm down play and for small periods\moments of games, entirely appporpriate tactic.

          The mentality for Barca to do this for the purpose of (defensive) time consumption; well, let me tell you this, I’ve watched Barca for over 20 years and cannot recall a time where it was used extensively for long periods or even at the end of games as a way to wind down the clock.

          It’s a great theory Norden; and it’s applied in great effect in say, NFL, (running plays with 30sec playclock); netball, and other zoned\large pitch\non contact sports (Australian Football, basketball etc).

          Again, I don’t discount that it’s possible; I just dont believe it’s possible in soccer in general, and for Barca, certainly not for extended periods of time AND for purely a defensive\clock run down purpose.

  76. fotobirajesh says:

    Ever since the CL semis against Inter, ‘how to really stop us’ is not a secret anymore. And we too know which teams are going to employ this strategy against us. The problem is when our stars are marked and pressed hard, Xavi, Iniesta, Busi and Messi (with 3 people always), it is difficult for them to execute well our plan A. We really need to evolve a strategy to play against this tactic. I am afraid almost every match this CL, we will face the same. I would hate it, if we will progress on away goals each time, like we did against PSG. Inspite of having a new coach, I am afraid, we may not be evolving on this aspect.

    I am wondering, why we dont counter attack. Yday there were couple of occassions, when we could have tried a fast counter. But we keep the ball, pass it horizontally, slow it down so that Atletico players can regroup. It is like we are on a laboratory, trying to work out ways to beat two banks of 5 players.

    Vales, and to some extent, Masch saved us this cup.

    For the first time, I was wishing the Messi Penalty to be saved. A red card so late, and a penalty immediately after, it would have been very unfair on Atletico. I felt, they deserved to win this cup more than us.
    I am not saying they played fair, but they didnt expect the ref to be too strict and they played their heart out, on and off the ball. Every coach knows that Barca dont have an answer to aggressive physical play. It was not their fault that the ref allowed it. It is the fault of our Club, that we dont make proper noise, whenever such things happen against us. How come, every foul by a Barca player is a yellow and we are fouled about 30 times or so. They seemed to concentrate to Messi a lot and the ref didnt seem to mind. For once, I started doubting the truth behind the Godin action from the first leg.
    I am afraid, we are going to see these 2 banks of 5/4 players in many matches, may be in all the CL matches. Right now, we dont seem to have a clue to break it.

    Finally Messi and Neymar playing together. But it is not going to be of any use, if they are about 50/70 meters apart. They need to be close, like 15/25 meteres around, if they are to make an impact as a pair. Just my opinion.

    • ciaran says:

      I don’t understand how you say that Atletico deserved it more than us. They started the tie with an inferiority complex that they just couldn’t play us and win without making it a fight labelled as a football match.
      If they actually tried to win the cup at any stage in the two matches they would have won the match.
      BUT THEY DIDN’T.
      They were a disgrace in their cowardly attempts to bully our team and cheat.
      whatever about Mourinho’s tactics with Inter or Madrid at least they tried to win the game.

      The referee was in no way too strict like you suggest, seeing as Diego Costa and Diego Godin should have both been sent off along with Filipe, and Gabi, Koke and Arda all made enough fouls to get two yellows.
      They were beyond cynical, they were cheating and deserved to lose

      • fotobirajesh says:

        They didnt win, because of two incredible saves from Valdes, one which no one expected. They did try to win the match, the only way most inferior teams can play us – defending well and counter – which they did over both legs. Dont forget, we, such a superior team, didnt manage to defeat them over two legs.
        Please dont forget, lots of people around the world call us too – a disgrace.
        but they didnt expect the ref to be too strict and they played their heart out . I meant, they realised the ref was not going to be strict, and increased the physical aspect. sorry, if I wasnt clear.

        Many teams play cynical with us, but it is always our players who gets yellow for the very first foul. And lot of thuggery is done against us, for the last 3 seasons, and we have accepted all that politely. That is exactly what I am saying, our club doesnt react, and the thuggery against us continue.
        It is not the mistake of Atletico players that the ref didnt act. They found out in the first 10/15 minutes itself that he will not be strict – how many fouls did Messi alone suffer in that time – If the ref was strong then, Atletico would have been more careful.

        Remember, the 11-12 season in which Madrid ensured one of the liga refs will never be seen in their future games. I dont want Barca to be like that, but if Barca make proper responses, this kind of thuggery will not happen. Right now, we are a soft target.

    • Spiza7 says:

      - Ateltico’s approach to this game was mainly to reduce our effectiveness and rely solely on little details to get a result.

      - There is no magic pill or silver bullet to beat parked buses and sometimes we just got to stick by our style and be persistent. Despite the very little space we had we still created chances. Most Importantly Atletico had only 1 chance on goal by half-time.

      - If we were to change our game to a counter-attacking approach then we would have invited atletico to create way more chances. With the quality of their forwards they would have eaten us alive.

      - I don’t think Messi and Neymar playing closer to the middle would be as effective right now. Again we want to resolve the parked bus problem and playing them wide and drawing out defenders is a good step for that, especially when we want Sanchez and even Pedro to gain more confidence.

      • fotobirajesh says:

        I am not saying we should sit back and invite them , so that we can counter. All I am saying is during the course of the match, there are occassions, when we can make a fast counter, but we dont seem to be interested.

        • Spiza7 says:

          Still, that won’t stop Atletico from parking the bus.

          If we are to start making fast counters we’ll have to make sure we end up creating good chances from them, otherwise what’s the point, we are just gonna give up possession faster. It is still early days in the season, some players need more time to build form and confidence, others need to integrate and build fitness. Over time our team will be playing more effective and possibly even start attempting fast counters.

  77. Ultraculé says:

    Fucking thugs is what they were and how they behaved.
    I am extremely surprised Tata or the club has not called out the violent tactics employed by these ruffians. This is not to complain, but to safeguard us against the kind of ref decisions that fucked us during the league campaign 11-12. That step on Alves’ back was the final straw for me. It deserved at least a 5 game ban.

    • IamXavi6 says:

      You need to rise above that mate.

      It’s the ultimate compliment. Other professional soccer teams not capable of squaring off in an appropriate soccer approach, normal atacking mentality.

      I pose this to you? what other (elite) club, in world football..EVER WEEK; face a team that would park a 5-4-1, 4-5-1, 5-3-2 against them..yet Barca more often than not still break them down..(and win)..

      not every time, but, certainly, odds on every game!

      Other elite clubs DO NOT face this! Not your Manchesters, Bayerns, Milans or Juventus’

      • Ultraculé says:

        I am not talking about ultra defensive setups. That, is a compliment to us and more often than not, we succeed in finding solutions. I am talking about out and out violence here. And there is no need to keep silent when you are being allowed to get kicked, beaten and stepped on. Because it violates the rules of the game. I am only saying that it needs to be called out. Because if it doesn’t, it will very likely start becoming a legitimate tactic that may go unpunished most of the time. Refs need to be encouraged to just call the game. straight up. Not orchestrate it.

  78. Kxevin says:

    EXCELLENT Slate piece on Messi and Neymar. (Warning: It contains some stuff that will make people try to dismiss it. Don’t. It’s an excellent piece of reporting and writing.)

    http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2013/08/messi_and_neymar_will_the_world_s_greatest_player_and_barcelona_s_new_prodigy.html

  79. Kxevin says:

    Another great read, on the honing of Wrongaldo, by Henry Winter in the Telegraph. It’s all about building the belief cycle. Relevant because we have a great player or two on our roster, I rather think:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/real-madrid/10272433/The-secrets-behind-the-development-of-Real-Madrids-Cristiano-Ronaldo-revealed-by-Rene-Meulensteen.html

  80. Kxevin says:

    Also, don’t forget that Champions League group stage draw is today, as well as picking the best player in Europe, which will probably go to Ribery, as it should.

  81. Rami says:

    There is no certain ‘tactic’ to counter a parked bus, No likes to hear this, But that the reality, We’re not the only team that falls down against such tactic, And here are two examples:

    Bayern vs chelsea: They lost the CL in their own stadium to a team that had many of it’s main players missing due to yellow card accumulation, Yet the parked bus eventually triumphed, And bayern doesn’t resemble us in terms of players or style, They’re physically stronger and taller, But that didn’t change their fate.

    EE vs Manchester city: MC parked the bus in bernabeu, And EE turned into headless chickens, They only won in the last 8 minutes of the match because of two individual moments of brilliance and nothing to do with any certain tactic that mourhinio applied, And this is a team that plays pure counter-attacking football, The anti-barca, Yet we shared the same ultimate scenario.

    Now what about us?, I think martino said it perfectly after the match:
    “We need to play faster, more precise, use the spaces better”

    And he’s right, In these types of games, Every millisecond, And every inch can make the difference between victory and loss.

    • Jafri says:

      I was just going to say the same thing. We just face them a lot more because we’re the best but how does any team break down a parked bus? Name me the best eleven players in the world today and put them against a ten men in the box side who prefers to kick them rather than the ball, and see how well they do.

      • Rami says:

        Another point which is somewhat ironic, Is which team in the world can tolerate working in tight spaces which involves accurate short pases and triangulation? That’s barca.
        So in essence, We are the most effective team against a parked bus, But unfortunately this isn’t easily translated into the pitch, Because even though we are the best in terms of short passes and tight spaces compared to other big teams, We’re still not fast enough or accurate enough to comfortably win against those parked buses.
        So improving what we do best is our best chance, And that both needs work from the coach, And also as the time passes and our physical condition and rhythm reach their peaks, It’ll be easier later in the season.

  82. Jafri says:

    Juve, Milan and PSG in pot 2, Man City and Dortmund in pot 3. This has the potential to turn out very, very badly.

  83. Kxevin says:

    One of the quotes in that excellent Ronaldo piece I posted a link to, goes something like “When they stop kicking you, it is because they have found other ways to stop you.” Kicking is good, in a perverse way.

    I can’t fault Atleti for doing what they did. In a straight-up football match, they get killed. You do what you have to do. Officiating has to step in at some point, and take control. If you look at all the cards that came in the last 10 minutes of regular time, it’s clear that the ref lost control of the match, then things got out of hand. Just a mess.

    More distressing for me is that those tactics worked on Messi, who became increasingly removed as the match progressed, to the point where he was standing around midfield. That isn’t like him, and makes me wonder if he was indeed 100% for the start.

  84. psalmuel says:

    some thing about cesc: he doesn’t lose the ball when you expect him to and vice versa

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