World Cup Qualifiers Match Comments Post

Hey folks, let us know your thoughts on the WCQs from today. We’ll be back tomorrow with some serious build-up to the Valencia match.

In the meantime, enjoy this Hlebian gem from MoSSi:

Oh, it’s actually a Hleb? Holy cow! It’s Vyacheslav Hleb, Alex’s little brother. Oh man.

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Isaiah is a co-founder and lead writer for Barcelona Football Blog. He currently lives in the greater New York City area with his wife and daughter.

188 Comments

  1. Andrew M.
    October 14, 2009

    wow. maybe its a genetic problem?

    • Andrew M.
      October 14, 2009

      did anybody watch bolivia v brasil? there were two people who stood out for me. ramires looked just like abidal but as a midfielder and martins for bolivia. he was everywhere and took that free kick brilliantly, cesar didnt even make any attempt to get to that ball.

      looking forward to uruguay v argentina tonight. should be a good one plus we get to see luis suarez in action.

      • Helge
        October 14, 2009

        Marcelona Martins Moreno is a great talent, but somehow he doesn’t succeed on club level. He has been loaned from Shakthar to Werder Bremen but he barely plays… I’d like to see him play for my favourite German title aspirant. Maybe the good performance will give him a new chance. He’s got Pizarro besides him, but the rest of the Werder attack is in no way better than him.

    • jnelson
      October 14, 2009

      ha I thought he was going to put it in his own goal.

  2. ElShowDeJason
    October 14, 2009

    If he has half the talent, but twice the professionalism, that he will probably be a better footballer than his brother.

  3. October 14, 2009

    England – Belarus is about to kick off and speaking of Hlebs, does anyone know if Alex Hleb is injured and that’s why he’s not playing? Otherwise I’m sure he’s the best Belorussian player there is, though in a useless game maybe they’re blooding others.

    • Ciaran
      October 14, 2009

      I think you’ve to say ‘again’ Jnice.
      Pique is becoming quite the weapon

  4. Blow-Granite
    October 14, 2009

    I do not have confidence in Argentina pulling off a Uruguay win. They barely made is past Peru. And, they have also been in a disastrous form of recent. I think that will be good for Barca as Messi will be in well rested and in top form for Barca.

  5. Hilal
    October 14, 2009

    Wow Spain are running riot….away from home, with qualification secured and basically a b-team. Not sure what team can really challenge them for the WC, maybe Brazil. They definitely have the best starting 11 and probably the best bench as well. The rest of the teams look miles behind…can you imagine what Spain would do to Argentina right now?!?!

    • SC
      October 14, 2009

      USA was a bit of a challenge for them at Confed Cup! 😀

  6. ElShowDeJason
    October 14, 2009

    WTF… why is Iniesta playing.
    maybe i should be optomistic and say he 100% now? (doubtful)

    BTW, why isn’t this being broadcast in the USA, that’s rediculous!

  7. October 14, 2009

    Damn you Simao, I don’t want Portugal to leave Sweden out! Swedish girls are way better at the WC than any of the others!! Nooooo.

    Also screw Crynaldo and viva Ibrahimovic.

    • SC
      October 14, 2009

      Yes but think of a well-rested BANGS for us!

  8. October 14, 2009

    Poland – Slovakia is being played in ridiculous amounts of snow! Cooool!

    • stowe
      October 14, 2009

      my anti-virus said that link had a trojan

  9. ElShowDeJason
    October 14, 2009

    Spain concede 2 in last 5 minutes

    • October 14, 2009

      That’ll happen when you take out Pique, but I appreciate that del Bosque took out both Iniesta and Pique.

      • Helge
        October 14, 2009

        That’ll happen when Pique is being replaced by Sergio Ramos 😀

        I’m f***ing glad that he plays at Madrid and not the other way round…

        • SC
          October 14, 2009

          Holy cow Ramos has been stinking it up quite a bit this year. I wonder what gives. Btw- I was listening to the game on Carrusel Deportivo on Cadena Ser, and when Bosnia scored the second, Manolo Lama (aka the best Spanish announcer today, imo) was like “AHH! END THE SHOW! END THE SHOW QUICK BEFORE THEY TIE US! END IT!” and— they did. it was pretty great.

  10. OhYes
    October 14, 2009

    Damn time goes so slow when you are anticipating a match..

    can’t wait to see Uruguay slaughter Maradona!! 😀

  11. Alex
    October 14, 2009

    Hey y’all. I am in Hermosa Beach in LA for work purposes. Anyone know of a sports bar that will be showing the Argentina Uruguay game live?

    THANKS!!!!!!!!

  12. john
    October 14, 2009

    Spain scored 5 goals without Villa, Xavi and Torres. Words can’t describe how good that team is – I’m shaking in anticipation of watching them challenge for the World Cup. Hot damn.

  13. john
    October 14, 2009

    And out of curiosity: are there many Spain NT fans that read this blog? It might seem like a stupid question, but I notice a lot of France, Argentina and Sweden supporters (okay, not a LOT of Sweden supports) but when Spain plays, the reaction here seems kind of tepid.

    • October 14, 2009

      I think we’re too busy not being able to watch it on TV. I enjoy watching Spain, but USMNT all the way.

    • Blow-Granite
      October 14, 2009

      We all obviously love the Swedish women of course!!!

    • Helge
      October 14, 2009

      I used to be a big fan of Argentina, but since Maradona took over, it’s become impossible. So now I’m definitely a big fan of Spanish NT, I’m quite sure everybody who likes Barca also has sympathies for Spain because they play with equal style and there is no other country which does.

    • Museum
      October 14, 2009

      I definitely enjoy Spain and cheer for them, but you have to support your country’s team, so it’s USMNT for me. It was *slightly* bittersweet for me when they ended Spain’s streak though. I learned to love the game in Spain, so I consider myself excused for that lack of patriotism.

      Also, about the love of Swedish girls – they leave a lot to be desired from behind, if you know what I mean and appreciate such things.

    • stowe
      October 14, 2009

      Spain NT fan here, hard not to be with that lineup and style of play. Of course as an American I will cheer for my boys from home, but honestly they don’t have much chance of winning anything.

  14. jordi
    October 14, 2009

    Henry limped off for france, hopefully its nothing serious

    • Blow-Granite
      October 14, 2009

      Thats ok!!!! This season we have Pedro!!! to cover for Henry!!!!

      • Ciaran
        October 14, 2009

        Bojan is back in training all week so he should be able to come off the bench at the weekend too… and Iniesta should be able to start too

    • Alexinho
      October 15, 2009

      He’s saying himself that he’s “aggravated something.”

      Ibra is also injured, but he walked off the field and apparently went right to his hotel room. Initial reports, however, said that it was serious.

      Going to Valencia in two days and it’s looking suddenly like we have no strikers–will Bojan jump right back into it?

  15. Miguel
    October 14, 2009

    what minute did iniesta get subbed off? i only caught the 1st half. what i saw was pretty impressive. iniesta didn’t look all that banged up but i’m cheer captain & iniesta should be in the bleachers.

    • Helge
      October 14, 2009

      67th minute. And yeah, I’ll be happy if he plays similarly good against Valencia, but more important is to have a fit Xavi!

  16. Helge
    October 14, 2009

    Line-up of Argentina:
    1 Sergio G. Romero
    4 Nicolás Otamendi
    3 Rolando Schiavi
    2 Martín Demichelis
    6 Gabriel Heinze
    17 Jonas M. Gutiérrez
    14 Javier A. Mascherano
    8 Juan S. Verón
    7 Angel F. Di María
    10 Lionel A. Messi
    9 Gonzalo G. Higuaín

    No Aimar, but at least Di Maria!

    • October 14, 2009

      But there’s a Heinze out there. That’s worth at least one Uruguayan goal. So it’s already 1-0.

    • Khairallah
      October 14, 2009

      Ahhh, to have a 90 year attacking midfielder

    • Miguel
      October 14, 2009

      he could’ve done worse. a dude playing for a relegated english club over el payasito? tisk tisk.

  17. BA
    October 14, 2009

    i need English streams for Argentina/Uruguay. gimme gimme gimme.

    • Miguel
      October 14, 2009

      i think these are both espaneesh & something else respectively, but i’m not sure.

      //http://tvoo.net/ sometimes it’s a bit choppy

      //http://www.justin.tv/gio46_24/popout

      • Miguel
        October 14, 2009

        *tboo.net is known to be a bit choppy but i haven’t seen anything thus far

      • lovelymofo
        October 14, 2009

        That second link is great, its in Italian I think. Don’t understand it, but like the way it sounds. 😀

  18. lovelymofo
    October 14, 2009

    English commentary, but a pit pause-y.

    /http://www.rojadirecta.com/freedocast/530C426E31CE2143109A

  19. Miguel
    October 14, 2009

    holy shit! argentina could use some abondanzieri right about now

  20. tyler
    October 14, 2009

    This Spain team is scary good. 5 goals without Xavi or CESC?!?!?! Like someone said at the top, we didn’t even field our best lineup and we took the second place team in our group to school. This is our world cup to lose. Brazil is obviously the top rival I think, but there are going to be teams out there looking to do exactly what the U.S.A. did to us. Funny, I live in the USA, but I don’t care about our team at all, well a little bit, but not really. Spain don’t let us down, we have too much talent, let’s bring home the Cup!

  21. OhYes
    October 14, 2009

    TWO CLOSE CALLS FOR MARADONA! WOOOOOO how happy am I right now I hhhaatte this guy

  22. jordi
    October 14, 2009

    Shockingly, Veron’s age is showing.

  23. Miguel
    October 14, 2009

    five people marking messi. who’d a thunk it?

  24. Tajh
    October 14, 2009

    It looks like injuries are starting to pill up on us as both Ibrahimovic And Henry picked up various knocks..I wonder what kind of lineup Pep has in mind for Valencia..Would surely be a tough test now.

  25. jnelson
    October 14, 2009

    Thank you Maradumber for displaying such suckitude in that first half. Veron sucks. Di Maria is sucking more. WTF man? He keeps running into 2-4 defenders without passing the ball. STUPID. And what about the diving and horrendous shots? horrible…

  26. Tajh
    October 14, 2009

    Btw how has Carceres played so far.. supposedly he was to man-mark Messi..

  27. October 14, 2009

    Jnelson:

    Agree with you on Veron, but a bit harsh on di Maria for me. He’s the only one actually trying to do something out there. For me, the problem with him is that his frame and sense of balance is seriously out of whack with his style of play (dribbling through a bunch of defenders).

    Is Aimar injured? If not, why was he dropped for Veron? Or am I being stupid for even trying to discover the sense of logic behind Maradona’s decisions?

  28. Hector
    October 14, 2009

    I’m watching here: \\www.p2pstation.net Surprisingly so far so good.

    I am also crying right now as in waterfalls of tears. This game is that bad. You know something is wrong when effing Heinze gets more touches on offense than Messi.

    Di Maria played like the raw albeit extremely talented newbie he is. I would like to see a little variety and some attacks from the right (i.e. Messi) for a change. However when Messi’s support is a 22 year old centerback playing fullback and Newcastle reject Jonas Gutierrez you can see why he is not near Barcelona level.

    Caceres had good plays and bad plays. Surprisingly he seemes relatively offensive minded, not just defense. Suarez and Forlan are not getting service.

  29. Ramzi
    October 14, 2009

    How long will it take till Maradona decide to get Palermo in?

  30. Hector
    October 14, 2009

    I honestly would not mind Aimar for Veron

    • Miguel
      October 14, 2009

      i’d let, as retarded as this sounds, jonas play rb and put aimar in; making sure masche played really deep keeping an eye out on the right.

  31. john
    October 14, 2009

    I’m not able to watch the game, but according to espn soccernet’s live updates Argentina has only taken two shots, and both from 25 yards out. Is that true?

  32. Hector
    October 14, 2009

    Yerah, that sounds about right. Ugly game.

  33. Alex
    October 14, 2009

    Boring, ugly game, god I cant wait to watch Barca on Saturday.

    Anybody notice how weird and Caceres shirt looks, it almost seems like he ripped off half of the sleeves.

  34. October 14, 2009

    If Arg concede, they’re going to be in MASSIVE trouble. They don’t even look like scoring.

  35. OhYes
    October 14, 2009

    Lol what did that Uruguay guy try doing in front of goal??

  36. October 14, 2009

    Chile 1-0 up on Ecuador btw. So Uruguay go through with a draw too.

  37. Miguel
    October 14, 2009

    higuain off for whom? que pendejada.

  38. tutomate
    October 14, 2009

    WHAAAAT> No striker?
    thats it he is going to loose

  39. john
    October 14, 2009

    Is it wrong to cheer on Uruguay at this point? Just to make Argentina have to play a playoff game to qualify? I’m clearly looking for maximum drama.

    • lovelymofo
      October 14, 2009

      Did he actually grab his leg? CRAZY!

  40. OhYes
    October 14, 2009

    fucking kidding me?? what the hell is this

  41. Tutomate
    October 14, 2009

    Lol Casares: ” you can’t send me off if I don’t see the red”

  42. jordi
    October 14, 2009

    Caceres offf, and another maradona substitution is rewarded. i hate when it makes him look good.

  43. lovelymofo
    October 14, 2009

    O_o

    I really hate it when they show Maradona celebrating, I always feel like yelling “THEY DIDN’T SCORE BECAUSE OF YOU!!!!”

  44. john
    October 14, 2009

    Oh well. At least we know they’ll be in the Cup now.

  45. Miguel
    October 14, 2009

    maradona thinks he’s god now for making that sub. oh wait. he always did.

  46. OhYes
    October 14, 2009

    two subs in a row that have paid off for him

    this is garbage

    proof that football sucks!

  47. john
    October 14, 2009

    They’ll have to qualify through playoff.

  48. Tutomate
    October 14, 2009

    In sixth I think. Ecuador has 5th

  49. Boat Forever
    October 14, 2009

    At least Messi won’t need to go to play-off, because that time he’d have to miss 2-3 matches for Barca if he went to play-off… Henry is not missed anyway now. Ibra off of World Cup. And I guess pretty much all the rest of the players are either qualified directly or totally off. So during play-offs all the team remains with Pep, while for EE Crynaldo would need to head there immediately after returning from injury… So sweet of EE

  50. jordi
    October 14, 2009

    The worse thing is now maradona will feel vindicated for his “methods”

  51. October 14, 2009

    Uruguay have to go to a playoff now. Ecuador are out courtesy their 1-0 defeat against Chile.

  52. Tajh
    October 14, 2009

    U know call me crazy but i do think Maradona can come good for Argentina..although they r playing badly..they can only get better i believe/hope.

      • Kari
        October 14, 2009

        Of course. Messi could always announce his international retirement a la Riquelme

        • Miguel
          October 14, 2009

          worse yet, palacio and bolatti could hand in their marching papers.

          • Tajh
            October 14, 2009

            lol true they can’t get any worse.

  53. OhYes
    October 14, 2009

    There are many choices here:

    They can get better
    they can stay the same
    they can get even worse (yes, it can get much worse)

    But if we agreed that things can only get better from here on out, that still wouldn’t really answer anything because they have get MUCH MUUUUUCH better in order to do anything substantial in the WC.

  54. Jim
    October 14, 2009

    Pretty boring game with Argentina but can’t agree with the assessments of Veron. He was the glue in that midfield despite his age and kept the passing going along with Mascherano . At least tonight Argentina could keep the ball even if they didn’t create much.

  55. jnelson
    October 14, 2009

    Why is ARG celebrating? That was such a pitiful performance. 1.Veron did his best Busquets impersonation 2.Di Maria was awful 3.Higuain sucked and never finished his runs 3.Somehow they failed to manage to even pose a threat despite the fact one or more defenders were man-marking Messi 4.They had almost every call tonight go their way 5.Caceres showed why he will never play for Barca again (not just the second yellow). All that and they could only score against ten men from a rebound of a (late) deflected kick. Horrible. Who are those idiots celebrating with Maradumber!? The only good decision he made was subbing Messi for us so that we’d have at least 1 of our front line for Valencia. Now AFA cant fire the dude. GREAT.

    Suarez was a beast today though.

    • yogi
      October 14, 2009

      I think that the ref in fact made all the marginal calls against argies. Veron did suck as attacking midfielder though.

  56. jnelson
    October 14, 2009

    I’m predicting a Group Stage exit from the WC for ARG.

  57. yogi
    October 14, 2009

    So happy that argentina qualified otherwise it would have been a very sad WC for me. Maradona still sucks though!

    Argentina definitely has players who can take them all the way to WC but with Maradona, I would not bet them even making knockout round.

    Who cares though as argies are there and with maradona, we are guarenteed at least some circus!

  58. Tutomate
    October 14, 2009

    Agreed Jim, he was the best distributed of the ball and he had an OK game because he messed up slot of passes but did alright still.

    Jason, OhYes, anyone, do you guys know if JDS was called up for today’s game?

    • Miguel
      October 14, 2009

      oh shit! there’s a mexico game on today?

  59. Jnice
    October 14, 2009

    Sigh, Ibra limped off in the 77th minute, and Henry in the 50th. We might be in bad shape for the Valencia match.

    Saw the Spain match, Iniesta was back to his old self and was the architect of a couple of goals. That is good news.

    • Kari
      October 14, 2009

      Well, we didn’t really have Henry to start with…

      But Ibra’s a loss.

    • Corrine
      October 14, 2009

      watched highlights, iniesta was the bommbbb

  60. anand
    October 14, 2009

    wow so many maradona haters here. inderstandable. I am an Argentina fan even in thick and thin, and i do not want maradona as coach. having said that he did pull it off today with his line up. They had to sitback as the game had much more for Uruguey to win than Argentina. Remember even if they lost, a positive result from Chile would have secured a play off stage. Considering the shit they are in, I think he did the most sensible thing. They wanted to control the midfield and Veron did that quite well. Thouh he gifted the ball 3 occasions. And enough of badmouthing on Heinze. He did shut down the wings and moved up to the midfield well with the ball. He plays with a lot of heart and commitment. Except for one rash sliding tackle he was good.

    Anyhow…the sad part is that Maradona wont step down. but inside news suggests that he will be sacked.

  61. Tutomate
    October 14, 2009

    Yes Miguel it’s currently on Telemundo.

    • Miguel
      October 14, 2009

      i know! thank you telemundo & tutomate!

      • Tutomate
        October 14, 2009

        No problem. I wonder who is on the bench.

  62. anand
    October 14, 2009

    And dont write them of yet. In 86 they qualified at the last stage, went on to win it. It wasn’t maradona who scored the goal in that crucial match. So if the right coach steps in, they have a great amount of players in all positions to build a good team. And may be, we will see the real messi in the cup.

    • Tutomate
      October 14, 2009

      The Real Messi? Oh you guys were playing a fake? Cause Uruguay didn’t think so.
      And this result Guarantees that Maradona will stay through the WC, in other words guarantees you will not win the WC.

      • anand
        October 14, 2009

        You are very funny:)made me smile with that comment. Thank you.

        • Tutomate
          October 14, 2009

          I’m happy to bring smile to your face. I feel best when I make someone’s life just alittle better.

  63. OhYes
    October 14, 2009

    I hear that the U.S. is losing 2-0?? Very ineteresting

  64. Jonathan
    October 14, 2009

    I really can’t believe what same of you are saying. To say they will not do well in the World Cup because of their current form makes no sense.

  65. Miguel
    October 14, 2009

    here you go tuto

    //http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/nccamerica/matches/round=252675/match=300073719/index.html

    penal penal penal! shit.

  66. OhYes
    October 14, 2009

    Oops penalty for T&B……didn’t get to see it as i am doing work….is it in????? yes very well struck 1-0 T&B

  67. Miguel
    October 14, 2009

    pinche guardado. i hope dos santos comes on for israel castro or whoever. i didn’t get to see him play against colombia.

  68. Tajh
    October 14, 2009

    TNT Soca Warriors 1-0 over Mexico rite now

    • Tajh
      October 14, 2009

      YAY!!!…wayy to go my home country

  69. Miguel
    October 14, 2009

    shit there’s a u.s.a. game on too. is the honduras game on as well? who are they playing? el salvador?

    what’s third place like?

      • Miguel
        October 14, 2009

        geez. honduras-el salvador 0-0.

        mexico just scored via esqueda.

  70. Miguel
    October 14, 2009

    both t & b & honduras, i think, scored just now. stupid feed.

    • October 14, 2009

      Don’t have Telemundo?

      I’m watching the US suckfest on ESPN2. In HD.

  71. OhYes
    October 14, 2009

    Haha this Mex-T&B game is getting crazy/..Mex just tied it up!! LOVE YOU SALCIDO!!!! 2-2

    • Miguel
      October 14, 2009

      yep. best defender in the erevievedisie.

  72. Miguel
    October 14, 2009

    i have telemundo. it’s in beer-goggle def. honduras el salvador isn’t on tv. u.s. suckfest is right.

  73. Miguel
    October 14, 2009

    who breathed life into the u.s?

    googling…michael bradley?

  74. OhYes
    October 14, 2009

    Watching Telemundo games is the most frustrating thing in the world.

    When you want to see the time, they have the score. When you want the score, they have the time.

    OHH FINALLY 36:30 god damn how hard was that

    • Miguel
      October 14, 2009

      better than univision. on telemundo you don’t have that one loud fuck as a commentator. he’s their phil schoen.

      • inNYC
        October 14, 2009

        Gol’s Pablo Alsina makes Phil Schoen sound dignified.

        • Tutomate
          October 14, 2009

          LOL Phil could never sound dignified.
          US came back to tie and celebrated like it was the WC Final and they just won it.
          LOL

  75. Tutomate
    October 14, 2009

    Telemundo are supposed to be HD by December. I’ll believe it when I see it.

  76. October 14, 2009

    Sad for Costa Rica, but good fight from the USA and congratulations to Honduras. I’m not supportive of their coup, but hopefully this brings more attention to their illegitimate government as well as providing the Honduran people with a ray of hope and a bit of fun in their lives.

  77. Mher
    October 14, 2009

    havent been here for a while. a lot of new faces! just wanted to drop a line. I think the US national team is playing it’s prettiest football. ever. anyone agree?

    • stowe
      October 15, 2009

      Haven’t seen them play since they blew it vs. brasil, but I would agree with you. I can actually enjoy watching them play (although it is sometimes frustating to see them pass up easy through balls only to dribble into the defender).
      Anyways, they have a very solid starting 11. Good goalie, strong CBs, good midfielders in bradley and dempsey, and donovan isn’t bad either. There are two things that will hinder them from making it far in the competition next summer: (1)Lack of depth, which is needed when you have such a tough schedule and a small squad. (also one of spain’s greatest strengths) and (2)red and yellow cards. there are so many times that the US team has to play a man down, or a key player is missing through suspension. They have to be more disciplined, the USNT does not have the ability to do what they did against Spain and almost Brasil with only 10 men on the field (I think they were missing Bradley for the final, btw)

  78. jordi
    October 15, 2009

    dont la Roja play a friendly against Argentina at some point? Around November or something.That should be an interesting game…..

  79. Alex
    October 15, 2009

    AS.com is reporting that TV3 (Catalan TV channel) reported today that the Robinho loan is official and he will be coming in December………….interesting.

    • drew
      October 15, 2009

      big time. dont know what to believe since most of the papers have some kind of robinho story.
      but winter transfer is over 2 months away! we’ll see what happens

  80. Cesc Blanc
    October 15, 2009

    Argentina are going back to the dark ages of the late 80ies, WC90, where their football was about huffing the ball forward, having 4 central defenders in defense who never make it past the midline and scoring goals from set pieces only. The handwriting of Bilardo was all over the last game. Still a progress compared to what was before, but is it really progress when you go back 20 years and play the football you played in 1990? I really don’t know.

  81. Tutomate
    October 15, 2009

    For the iPhone owning cules: giro the app store and search ” Nike Control ” and be amazed (it’s free).

    PS: weird to see Cesc in a Barça app.

  82. Helge
    October 15, 2009

    Please someone tell me that there is still the possibility of Maradona getting sacked. Because as long as the AFA doesn’t confirm him as a coach for South Africa, there is hope!

    Why did they have to win? They played an awful match offensively, it reminded me a bit of Italy (though their defense is usually more solid). Since Chile won, why didn’t Argentina lose and thus go into relegation with a new coach? Now it’ll be hard to fire him 🙁

  83. Hilal
    October 15, 2009

    NOOOOOOOOO, Ibra injured 🙁

    Anybody know the extent of the inury? Man i really hope its nothing serious, he just starting to find his form. Damn stupid international break!!

  84. Hilal
    October 15, 2009

    Why do so many ppl hate on Robinho? Yes he used to play for the EE, but he is a quality player, who i think would be a great addition to our squad. In Pep we strust guys, if Pep wants him, then quite frankly i want him too. If the worry is his partying or his workrate on the pitch i am sure Pep will get the best out of him. The same thing was said about Ibra being lazy and I think we have all seen that Ibra is willing to work just like everybody else. Workrate and pressure on the ball is our trademark, as much, if not more so than our tiki taka passing game so I dont think any player will think they can come play for us and get away with not working as hard as anybody else. He adds quality depth to our front line, he has experience in this league as well as the EPL and the way Madrid treated him he must hate them as much as any Barca fan. A loan deal is perfect as well, cos if it turns out he doesnt work as hard as Pep wants or is any sort of problem in the locker room we just dont buy him in the summer….

    All this talk of players like Suarez or Willian is fine, but they are not proven in any sense. All due respect to the dutch league but Kezman scored 105 goals in 122 games in 04, went to Chelsea and was a complete and utter flop. Why go and buy young prospects who may or may not work out when we have the likes of Bojan and Pedro, who IMO have a lot more potential anyways. We have our players for the future…. Would much rather buy a known, proven player. A player who has performed at the top level both internationally and at club level. A player who can be an asset straight away, not in 2-3 years. Who is currently available who isnt cup tied and who brings as much quality to the table as Robinho does?

    • Kxevin
      October 15, 2009

      I have seen nothing from Robinho that leads me to believe that he has any interest in working hard, working within the system, or working as hard as a player needs to in the Guardiola system.

      Without question, he ha talent. But he has been sold or loaned by every top flight club that he has been with. That ain’t because he’s setting the world on fire. Is he worth the risk? Sure. On a loan. But I am not confident. I have never, ever seen him play defense, or track back. So if the rumor is true, we will see.

      Ibra was very different. The “lazy” card was pulled mostly by Eto’o supporters. But if you watched him at all, it was clear that he wasn’t lazy, but had a different work style, but he wasn’t lazy.

      With Robinho, I haven’t seen evidence of the essential skills necessary to do anything other than vex me as people run past him on the counter.

  85. OhYes
    October 15, 2009

    I think there is a massive difference between Ibra and Robinho.

    Yea people said Ibra would be lazy and cocky and all that jazz but he at least showed signs that he would put in a big effort.

    With Robinho…it’s a little harder. He got screwed by the EE but at ManC he hasn’t much. A few good things, sure but you can bet ManC is eager to dump him.

    We’ll see. If Pep wants him, and these stories of his loan being done are true, well we will have to deal with it and Pep probably wants him for a reason..

    I don’t like the kid at all. If he comes and is a big success, I will happily accept him and eat crow but for now, I remain very highly astronomically skeptical.

    • Hilal
      October 15, 2009

      Yeah ok i get that most ppl dont like him, but why? I just dont understand why he gets so much stick…

      First of all Man City are not eager to dump him, not by a long shot. He is by far their best player and the fans love him. The only reason i think they are even going to consider letting him go is because they want Ribery instead and I think they are going to use a boatload of money to get him. I watched a lot of Man City last year and let me tell you, Robinho was the only good thing about them.

      Is it cos he parties? Because i have to tell you, A LOT of players party, as long as they dont let it effect their training or their performances on the pitch then i dont see a problem. I know there is a fear because of what happened with Ronaldinho, but that doesnt mean the same will happen here, especially with Pep in charge.

      The workrate thing is something that is demanded by the coach and the team, if he comes he will work, as does Ibra and as would any other player. Can you imagine any player strolling into our team, with all its superstars that work their asses off and NOT work as hard? If anything he will work twice as hard to try and prove his worth to the team since he wouldnt be guaranteed a starting spot.

      I am just not sure i understand why he gets all this hate. As far as i can see he is a top class player who is only lacking a top class team to realise his full potential. Madrid never used him properly and treated him like shit, he was basically a bargaining tool to try and lure Ronaldo, so no wonder he got pissed off and left. Man City are a work in progress and maybe one day they will be a top class team, but today they are a mediocre team with one or two world class players. Can anybody really blame him for wanting to join Barca instead?

      • fcbfan
        October 15, 2009

        but, Robinho chose City. Chelsea wanted him and he chose City.

        Anyway, David Villa was a done deal too and we got Ibra.

        • Hilal
          October 15, 2009

          No, actually that is completely incorrect. Robinho did not chose City, RM forced him to go to City because Chelsea would not bid as much as City. Robinho wanted to go to Chelsea, he made that very clear and Chelsea wanted him. RM just acted like the dicks that they are though and sold him to City for more money than Chelsea were willing to offer. That is why so many Chelsea fans hate RM now, I know cos i have a lot of friends who are chelsea fans and they were very excited about the prospect of Robinho.

          Not sure what your point is regarding Villa. There was no done deal, Valencia rejected every offer we made and hence we went back to Ibra. In fact Llorente came out today and admitted that they rejected a bid of 42m euro from us.

  86. fcbfan
    October 15, 2009

    Even if Robinho is the best player in the world, I still don’t want hhim. There’s something wrong with that guy psychologically and I am not sure Pep can fix that. He was at Santos and played well, then he started getting unhappy, so he moved to EE. played well, then got unhappy again wanting another move. off he goes to city. and the pattern continues. He will come to Barca, will play well, will get unhappy for some reason (he always find things to get unhappy about which always affects his form), and then I guess he’ll say he want to move. A loan is ok, but not a buy please.

  87. Ramzi
    October 15, 2009

    Between Robinho and Suarez it’s the little details that will decide who is the better option.
    In one hand Robinho is an undeniable talent. He is exactly the type of wing forwards that Barcelona need. He has the skills can play on the flank and stretch the field, can cut inside, can contribute in the Tikki-taka symphony, can cut inside, shoot from distance and with a decent finishing.
    Yet, what made this team succeed was the player-profile that we considered as a standard when we approach the transfer market. Ibra is a walking ego, no doubt. But he is not a night life Guru. He is actually more a Family guy. That’s Important. Robinho is no where talent-wise compared to Ronaldinho (no one is even close). If you think of it, a big risk. I don’t want Robinho to show Bojan where Ronaldinho took Giovani once.
    In the other hand, Suarez fits one of the most important elements I wish to have in any player we sign: Being an underdog. Which means having the quality but still in need to prove himself on the highest level. Someone who feel joining Barca is a challenge he need to meet, not an opportunity he needs to take. I started to follow this guy by coincidence. Ironically while scouting Hauntler at Ajax to check if he fit Barcelona standards. And I can only say good things about him. Mind you, he also has a tricky personality, but compared to Robinho, he is a virgin. The risk here is what Hilal said about the quality of the league where he is performing brilliantly at the moment. But last season, we bought a guy who was a star performer at the EPL, and we all know how it ended. (BTW, the Youtube on this post is sick!) This risk is always there, whether with Suarez, Robinho, or any other player we get.

    If we can get Suarez for something near 20 M, then I say let’s go for him. Or else, Robinho option for something near 30 M turns to be increasingly tempting.

    • Hilal
      October 15, 2009

      All good points Ramzi and a new signing is always a risk, BUT from what i have been reading today it is a loan deal that is being proposed, so a little less risky. As opposed to spending 20-30m we could get a potentially phenominal player on loan. Try him out, if he works out buy him, if not then look at other options. What i dont get is the almost unanimous “no way” reaction that I am seeing from Barca fans. I must be missing something…..

      • Boat Forever
        October 15, 2009

        With Robinho there’s no doubt if he’d gel well with the team or if he’ll cope up with the Spanish defenses… He’d indeed be a great success during that loan spell because he’s played most of his best times in Spain. But what then? After we make the signing permanent!? His attitude is what that’s creating the doubts in our minds about this transfer, he doesn’t remain motivated all the time. He’s a moody player, giving in his best only when HE feels like. He’s forced his way out of his parent club, his European parent club and now Man. City. What gives you confidence that he doesn’t repeat the same!? Okay may be Dani Alves has some thing to say about that, but that’s not enough for me not to remain skeptical! After all, with this transfer Barca is putting a LOT at stake… Pedro’s career might totally be jeopardized! Bojan might get lost in all the fuss!! Jeffren & Keirrison are totally being side-lined while we are considering a transfer for our LW!!! Do you really think it’s worth taking such a huge risk with Robinho!?

  88. Helge
    October 15, 2009

    From my point of view, the transfer of another attacker lowers the chances of Pedro, Jeffren, Gai Assulin and Bojan (plus we still got Keirrison) to be a regular first team starter. Yes, this is Henry’s last season, but if we want to BUY a replacement for him, it has to be absolute dynamite. Because otherwise, I’d say give our Canteranos (and Keirrison) a chance. And the only dynamite I see on the market is Luis Suarez. He’s not more expensive than Robinho and certainly gets lower wages.

    And yes, I don’t like Robinho’s character, I don’t like his selfish style of play and I don’t like his thumb sucking celebration! Plus I can hardly remember a match in which he was outstanding. He didn’t win one or more league titles on his own as Ibra did.
    Though, I would accept a loan deal and give him the opportunity to change my mind about him. But it will be hard to surpass Luis Suarez.

    • Hilal
      October 15, 2009

      Yeah ok fine Robinho is not Ibra but nobody said he was and he
      wouldnt cost half as much anyways. Nobody is comparing them.

      I agree completely with you about only signing dynamite otherwise letting the youngsters grow. How is Suarez dynamite though? Not sure how anybody can claim he is even as good, let alone better than Robinho. He hasnt played in any of the top leagues, he has scored a lot of goals in a league where scoring a lot of goals is standard procedure. The Kezman example is perfect, Kuyt also scored 70 goals in a single season and he is lucky now if he scores 10-15 for Liverpool. Yes he has a lot of potential, but so do our kids! Why go buy another prospect (at least 20m) who has never proven himself outside of the dutch league? Did he impress anybody vs Argentina yesterday? Cos i didnt see much to get too excited about, certainly not enough to think he could even come close to replacing Henry. The best option would be Ribery for that position, but we are not going to spend 60m+ on a winger so who is the next best proven option? If we are going to give our youngsters a chance then fine, I would be happy with that, BUT if we are going to go out and sign another attacker then it should only be somebody who can at least come close to replacing Henry straight away. The only player i can see on the market who might be able to do that right now is Robinho.

  89. Kxevin
    October 15, 2009

    Robinho is a flat-out stud, when he’s on. But when he isn’t on, he contributes absolutely nothing. When Henry is off, he still passes, tracks back on defense and contributes to the overall effort. Robinho does a few step-overs and calls it a day.

    And to correct matters, Robinho wasn’t screwed over by the EE. He played himself into the shithouse by doing exactly what I mention in the preceding paragraph. Fans don’t dig that crap, nor should they.

    As I’ve said before, he’s on my “all potential” side, Perhaps he is thinking that this is his last chance to prove himself, and will work like a dog and be a model citizen. Because I think that it is. If he can’t cut it in our system, he isn’t going to cut it anywhere, and he’s done as a major player on the world stage.

    In his defense, he has never been surrounded, as Hilal notes, by real talent. Note how easy Messi, Xavi, et al have made Ibrahimovic’s life. If Robinho is willing to commit to the system, and understand the rest of that role–contesting for possession when we don’t have the ball, applying pressure and working his natural-born ass off, I’m all for it. We’ll have to wait and see.

    I also reckon that Guardiola will say “You have a shot at excellence and championships here. It’s up to you what to do with it. Prove yourself and if you don’t, you’re gone like last week’s laundry.”

    I wouldn’t categorically be resistant to any player except for Julio Baptista, because he picked the home Clasico to score the goal of his life.

    More importantly, Henry and Ibrahimovic. What do we know? Checking now….

    • UAI
      October 15, 2009

      Not to knock Craig Bellamy too much but.. why would we want a player that has been made surplus to requirements at Man city by Craig Bellamy?

      But the EE did screw him, being used as a pawn to bring in Thong Boy after you’ve given them a great season should not please anybody

      • Hilal
        October 15, 2009

        Robinho is injured which is why he hasnt been playing, Bellamy is his replacement, although to be fair to Bellamy he has been playing very well recently…

        • UAI
          October 15, 2009

          I know that’s why he hasn’t been playing. But the conventional wisdom nowadays is that Bellamy has produced as much or more filling in for that role, and I think most would agree Robinho has a fight ahead of him to win back his place. He wasn’t exactly lighting the place on fire in the couple of months leading up to the injury

          • Hilal
            October 15, 2009

            Well i duno about that, lets see what happens when he returns. You cannot really compare what Robinho did last season with what Bellamy has been doing the last few weeks because they are a much much better team this year. They control the midfield much better, they defend better and their attack as a whole is much much better. Last year they mostly relied on Robinho. I would be very interested to see how Robinho does now, supported by the likes of Adebayour and Tevez. Does anybody know when he will be fit again?

          • UAI
            October 15, 2009

            OK. I’ll just say that we have already seen Robinho with the rest of the cast in a handful of games this season before he got injured. Sure it’s not a lot of time for him to prove himself, and Bellamy’s incredible run of form hasn’t lasted much more than a month either, I’ll concede that.

    • Hilal
      October 15, 2009

      So we might go into this game without Henry, Ibra or Messi(usually doesnt start after travelling from Arg)!??!?!

      Fuck….i really hate the international break.

      Kxevin, please give us some good news regarding Henry or Ibra…

      • Helge
        October 15, 2009

        At least Spor.es reports that Xavi can play against Valenica.

        And quite to my surprise, Messi landed at 15:00 CET in Barcelona, whereas the match in Montevideo lastet until 02:00 CET. That’s quite a fast return! Plus, he will play if Pep wants him to.

        • Kxevin
          October 15, 2009

          I don’t have any good news, Hilal. Everything that I find is bad. Henry has re-injured a pre-existing calf injury. How severely is not yet known. That he picked up the knock in a meaningless match infuriates me to a degree that I lack sufficient verbiage to adequately capture.

          Ibrahimovic is more worrisome. Initial reports were that the injury was “serious,” but Goal.com is the only source that I can find for any information on his injury. If he is injured, the silence is pretty deafening, which means that a) it’s no big deal or b) it’s serious, and we’re fucked.

          • Hilal
            October 15, 2009

            Damn….what about Bojan? Is he ready yet? I suppose a front 3 of Pedro, Bojan and Messi wouldnt be the end of the world. Valencia will be missing Villa and a few others right?

  90. Kxevin
    October 15, 2009

    Krkic is ready. And I do think that Krkic has talent, but he ain’t no “9.” Not against Valencia.

    • eklavya
      October 15, 2009

      Then we play Messi as our “9”, bojan on the right and Pedro on the left?

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